McCain Swings And Misses; Strike Three...

jpeyton

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Obama hits another home run, and McCain swings and misses yet again. The only stinking corpse these days is McCain's rhetoric filled speeches, ringing hollow not only with an overwhelming majority of Democrats and Independents, but even half of Republicans. If McCain performs this poorly among his own constituents, Murdoch's prediction of an Obama landslide victory is becoming more likely by the day.

John McCain

June 2, 2008
Americans Favor President Meeting With U.S. Enemies
Six in 10 think it?s a good idea to meet with president of Iran

by Lydia Saad

PRINCETON, NJ -- Large majorities of Democrats and independents, and even about half of Republicans, believe the president of the United States should meet with the leaders of countries that are considered enemies of the United States. Overall, 67% of Americans say this kind of diplomacy is a good idea.

This is according to a Gallup Panel survey of a representative national sample of 1,013 Americans, conducted May 19-21.

Although separate Gallup polling shows that few Americans view Iran favorably, and that Iran leads Americans' list of top U.S. enemies in the world, the new Gallup survey also finds high public support for presidential-level meetings between the United States and Iran, specifically.

About 6 in 10 Americans (59%) think it would be a good idea for the president of the United States to meet with the president of Iran. This includes about half of Republicans, a majority of independents, and most Democrats.

Both positions enjoy broad popular appeal, with majorities of men, women, younger and older Americans, and those from different regions of the country all saying direct presidential-level talks with Iran and other enemies are a good idea.

The issue of using presidential diplomacy with U.S. enemies distinguishes Barack Obama from the presumptive Republican presidential nominee, John McCain, and even from his opponent for the Democratic nomination, Hillary Clinton.

Obama is the only one of the three who has said he would personally meet with the leaders of countries like Iran, Syria, Cuba, and Venezuela as president, and he recently defended his position by saying "strong countries and strong presidents talk to their adversaries." Clinton has criticized Obama's approach as "naïve," and McCain has been unrelenting in his attacks on the issue, accusing Obama of being dangerously inexperienced and having "reckless judgment."

Bottom Line

McCain may eventually persuade more Americans that there is nothing for the president of the United States to discuss with hostile foreign leaders like Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and that to do so only undermines U.S. efforts to destabilize such regimes.

However, for now, whether it's the leader of an "enemy" country, generally, or the president of Iran, specifically, Americans think it's a good idea for the president of the United States to meet directly with the nation's adversaries.
 

nageov3t

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I get the feeling that if McCain coughed, you'd call it Obama hitting a home run. :confused:

in related news, Americans by and large are not foreign policy experts and probably couldn't locate a rogue nation on a map.
 

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Originally posted by: loki8481
I get the feeling that if McCain coughed, you'd call it Obama hitting a home run. :confused:

in related news, Americans by and large are not foreign policy experts and probably couldn't locate a rogue nation on a map.
Your posts get more desperate by the minute. Fearing the end of an era?
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: loki8481
I get the feeling that if McCain coughed, you'd call it Obama hitting a home run. :confused:

in related news, Americans by and large are not foreign policy experts and probably couldn't locate a rogue nation on a map.

And the neo-cons surrounding McCain are foreign-policy retards who tend to point out WAY too many "rogue" nations on maps.
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: loki8481
I get the feeling that if McCain coughed, you'd call it Obama hitting a home run. :confused:

in related news, Americans by and large are not foreign policy experts and probably couldn't locate a rogue nation on a map.

And the neo-cons surrounding McCain are foreign-policy retards who tend to point out WAY too many "rogue" nations on maps.

fair enough.

but we've got problems if we run our foreign policy American Idol-style.
 

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Funny that people disclaim the speeches from the President of Iran (claiming that he wields no power), yet then feel that he should be accorded a meeting based on his position.
 

Nebor

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If you keep posting that half of all republicans don't support McCain in every thread (you've hit 3 in the last half hour,) eventuallly I'm going to get confused and vote for Obama. Please stop, your psychological mind games are too powerful to resist. Must.... obey... polls!
 

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Originally posted by: bamacre
Originally posted by: loki8481
I get the feeling that if McCain coughed, you'd call it Obama hitting a home run. :confused:

in related news, Americans by and large are not foreign policy experts and probably couldn't locate a rogue nation on a map.

And the neo-cons surrounding McCain are foreign-policy retards who tend to point out WAY too many "rogue" nations on maps.

In all fairness, rogue nations can get spotted on the map, but they just vanish, re-stealth and sap while the healer gets taken out. It's just unbalanced! Nerf! :D

Of course we need to meet with them. I personally dont care what kind of conditions they do it under, but he needs to be in his face when he says "stop acting like a effing retard and MAYBE I wont swallow your soul". This whole "zomg! dunt offend them!" from the Starbucks wifi crap has got to go.

And yeah, the desperation in Jpeyton's posts are enough to let me relax a bit to know Osama Bin Obama wont make it to the oval office (not that I want McCain to win either, but ah well).

 

jpeyton

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It just amazes me how far McCain is off from the opinions of his electorate.

Gas tax holiday? Lost that debate.

GI Bill? Lost that debate.

Diplomatic talks with enemies? Lost that debate.

Any bets on what he's going to lose next, besides the election?
 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
It just amazes me how far McCain is off from the opinions of his electorate.

Gas tax holiday? Lost that debate.

GI Bill? Lost that debate.

Diplomatic talks with enemies? Lost that debate.

Any bets on what he's going to lose next, besides the election?

Don't forget, "the invasion of Iraq wasn't mistake."
 

Nebor

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
It just amazes me how far McCain is off from the opinions of his electorate.

Gas tax holiday? Lost that debate.

GI Bill? Lost that debate.

Diplomatic talks with enemies? Lost that debate.

Any bets on what he's going to lose next, besides the election?

It's quite annoying, how desperately commercial you sound. You don't even sound like a real person.

I disagree with McSame on the gas tax holiday. I disagree with him on the GI Bill. I largely disagree with him on the diplomatic talks.

So I suppose you're correct in that his is off from the opinion of his electorate (if I'm the electorate, scary thought,) but I'll still be voting for him.
 

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Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: jpeyton
It just amazes me how far McCain is off from the opinions of his electorate.

Gas tax holiday? Lost that debate.

GI Bill? Lost that debate.

Diplomatic talks with enemies? Lost that debate.

Any bets on what he's going to lose next, besides the election?

It's quite annoying, how desperately commercial you sound. You don't even sound like a real person.

I disagree with McSame on the gas tax holiday. I disagree with him on the GI Bill. I largely disagree with him on the diplomatic talks.

So I suppose you're correct in that his is off from the opinion of his electorate (if I'm the electorate, scary thought,) but I'll still be voting for him.

When your other option is "please dispense all your money directly from your check into a welfare system", Ill go with the guy I disagree with even quite a bit.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: Kappo
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: jpeyton
It just amazes me how far McCain is off from the opinions of his electorate.

Gas tax holiday? Lost that debate.

GI Bill? Lost that debate.

Diplomatic talks with enemies? Lost that debate.

Any bets on what he's going to lose next, besides the election?

It's quite annoying, how desperately commercial you sound. You don't even sound like a real person.

I disagree with McSame on the gas tax holiday. I disagree with him on the GI Bill. I largely disagree with him on the diplomatic talks.

So I suppose you're correct in that his is off from the opinion of his electorate (if I'm the electorate, scary thought,) but I'll still be voting for him.

When your other option is "please dispense all your money directly from your check into a welfare system", Ill go with the guy I disagree with even quite a bit.
Did you forget Bush's universal health care plan? For Iraqis and Afghanis.
 

Kappo

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Originally posted by: jpeyton
Originally posted by: Kappo
Originally posted by: Nebor
Originally posted by: jpeyton
It just amazes me how far McCain is off from the opinions of his electorate.

Gas tax holiday? Lost that debate.

GI Bill? Lost that debate.

Diplomatic talks with enemies? Lost that debate.

Any bets on what he's going to lose next, besides the election?

It's quite annoying, how desperately commercial you sound. You don't even sound like a real person.

I disagree with McSame on the gas tax holiday. I disagree with him on the GI Bill. I largely disagree with him on the diplomatic talks.

So I suppose you're correct in that his is off from the opinion of his electorate (if I'm the electorate, scary thought,) but I'll still be voting for him.

When your other option is "please dispense all your money directly from your check into a welfare system", Ill go with the guy I disagree with even quite a bit.
Did you forget Bush's universal health care plan? For Iraqis and Afghanis.

Negative. Im aware that he is currently sucking me dry (kinda like my GF ;)). I dont believe in "free lunch" for anyone.
 

trenchfoot

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i'm simply amazed that rev. wright (ret.) hasn't popped up in this thread yet, so to make things more normal i thought i'd mention him at this time.

as to those other weak arguments i've been reading in here against obama, well, it speaks volumes as to how weak mccain himself is against that supposed black muslim sexist boogeyman.
 

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Originally posted by: tweaker2
i'm simply amazed that rev. wright (ret.) hasn't popped up in this thread yet, so to make things more normal i thought i'd mention him at this time.

as to those other weak arguments i've been reading in here against obama, well, it speaks volumes as to how weak mccain himself is against that supposed black muslim sexist boogeyman.

Actually that is supposed black muslim sexist radical christian boogeyman.
 

trenchfoot

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Originally posted by: PELarson
Originally posted by: tweaker2
i'm simply amazed that rev. wright (ret.) hasn't popped up in this thread yet, so to make things more normal i thought i'd mention him at this time.

as to those other weak arguments i've been reading in here against obama, well, it speaks volumes as to how weak mccain himself is against that supposed black muslim sexist boogeyman.

Actually that is supposed black muslim sexist radical christian boogeyman.

except in west virginia;)



 

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I am offended by the stinking corpse rhetoric. You would sound much saner if you abandoned it, I think.
 

jpeyton

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Originally posted by: senseamp
Obama will meet with Ahmadinejad to hand over the keys to Iraq.
Maybe the two countries can merge and create one iRaqn nation.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: loki8481
I get the feeling that if McCain coughed, you'd call it Obama hitting a home run. :confused:

in related news, Americans by and large are not foreign policy experts and probably couldn't locate a rogue nation on a map.

his RSS feed would go off and he'd immediately post it, guranteed!
 
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Originally posted by: senseamp
Obama will meet with Ahmadinejad to hand over the keys to Iraq.

Don't forget Israel and anyone else Iran wanted to control or destroy.

There is a basic tenet that you DO NOT negotiate with terrorists. Obama wants to negotiate with them and that shows weakness. Once they smell that weakness, there's going to be hell to pay for us, because they then know they can step up their attacks on US interests and on US soil because the precedence has been set that We don't want to fight them, but they want to fight us.
 

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: senseamp
Obama will meet with Ahmadinejad to hand over the keys to Iraq.

Don't forget Israel and anyone else Iran wanted to control or destroy.

There is a basic tenet that you DO NOT negotiate with terrorists. Obama wants to negotiate with them and that shows weakness. Once they smell that weakness, there's going to be hell to pay for us, because they then know they can step up their attacks on US interests and on US soil because the precedence has been set that We don't want to fight them, but they want to fight us.

wow everybody buckle your seatbelt! cause JeffreyLebowski is gonna take us on the magic slipperyslope ride!!!

 

bamacre

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: senseamp
Obama will meet with Ahmadinejad to hand over the keys to Iraq.

Don't forget Israel and anyone else Iran wanted to control or destroy.

There is a basic tenet that you DO NOT negotiate with terrorists. Obama wants to negotiate with them and that shows weakness. Once they smell that weakness, there's going to be hell to pay for us, because they then know they can step up their attacks on US interests and on US soil because the precedence has been set that We don't want to fight them, but they want to fight us.

LOL, I hope this is sarcasm.