McCain says only World War III would justify draft

[techs]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200...litics_mccain_draft_dc

McCain says only World War III would justify draft Wed Jun 25, 1:48 AM ET


Only World War III would prompt Republican presidential candidate John McCain to bring back the military draft, McCain said on Tuesday.

Many Americans are fearful the U.S. government will be forced to reinstitute the draft given the prolonged Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

Asked about that possibility by a potential voter in Florida during a telephone "town hall meeting," McCain said: "I don't know what would make a draft happen unless we were in an all-out World War III."

The United States ended its last military draft in 1973 in the waning years of the Vietnam war, moving to an all-volunteer military force.

McCain, a Vietnam veteran, said the draft during that conflict weighed most heavily on lower-income Americans, and that this should not be repeated.

"I do not believe the draft is even practicable or desirable," McCain said.


What a moron. WW3 would be over in 15 minutes, so there would be no need for the draft. And as for the imbecilic idea that the Viet Nam draft weighed most heavily on lower income Americans, did this idiot even think before he spoke?
The current 'volunteer' armed forces is more highly composed of lower income Americans. A draft is designed to make every economic faction contribute fairly. The problem in Viet Nam was the rich people found ways around the draft. All you have to do is end exemptions and the draft is fair.

 

[nageov3t]

so... you support a draft today?

 

[CPA]

Many Americans are fearful the U.S. government will be forced to reinstitute the draft given the prolonged Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

I highly doubt this. Stupid media.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: techs
Many Americans are fearful the U.S. government will be forced to reinstitute the draft given the prolonged Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

Who are these people?

Ah, cpa beat me.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: jonks

Originally posted by: techs
Many Americans are fearful the U.S. government will be forced to reinstitute the draft given the prolonged Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

Who are these people?

Ah, cpa beat me.

I was thinking the same thing.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Your hatred shows through.

What McCain is stating:
Unless there is an extreme emergency that is equivalent to a World War, there will be no draft.


FYI
And there can be conflicts without nuclear weapons being used.

You have not seen anyone that has Nukes use them, even though all have been in conflicts.

All you need is for those that have Nukes to not be duking it out among themselves.




Exceptions are put in place by politicians, not the rich.
There were plenty of rich boys that died in Vietnam.

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: techs
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200...litics_mccain_draft_dc

McCain says only World War III would justify draft Wed Jun 25, 1:48 AM ET


Only World War III would prompt Republican presidential candidate John McCain to bring back the military draft, McCain said on Tuesday.

Many Americans are fearful the U.S. government will be forced to reinstitute the draft given the prolonged Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

Asked about that possibility by a potential voter in Florida during a telephone "town hall meeting," McCain said: "I don't know what would make a draft happen unless we were in an all-out World War III."

The United States ended its last military draft in 1973 in the waning years of the Vietnam war, moving to an all-volunteer military force.

McCain, a Vietnam veteran, said the draft during that conflict weighed most heavily on lower-income Americans, and that this should not be repeated.

"I do not believe the draft is even practicable or desirable," McCain said.


What a moron. WW3 would be over in 15 minutes, so there would be no need for the draft. And as for the imbecilic idea that the Viet Nam draft weighed most heavily on lower income Americans, did this idiot even think before he spoke?
The current 'volunteer' armed forces is more highly composed of lower income Americans. A draft is designed to make every economic faction contribute fairly. The problem in Viet Nam was the rich people found ways around the draft. All you have to do is end exemptions and the draft is fair.

Clearly, you know all the answers and should be running in place of McCain.

 

[Skitzer]

I understand the topic but I don't understand what the OP is trying to say.
Techs, are you for a draft or against it? I'm assuming since McCain is against it ...... you're for it, no?

 

[Deeko]

Uhhhh.....what? How is this is negative on McCain? He's saying circumstances would have to be very dire to institute a draft - and implying that the current operations in the middle east do not require one.

He is, ya know, AGREEING with your side. So you attack him for it? Do you just blindly insult everything he says?

 

[Arkaign]

I like the idea of a draft because it puts a lot of pressure on stupid fucking idiot politicians in terms of keeping / getting us out of pointless wars. There is a difference between a logical and just war (Afghanistan), and a stupid, useless, counterproductive quagmire (Vietnam, Iraq).

 

[Fern]

Uhhhh. If there's a moron around, it ain't McCain.

I don't see anything disagreeable about his remarks. I doubt many others will either.

Fern

 

[pstylesss]

So.... what you're trying to say is you have extremely low comprehension skills.

 

[naddicott]

Isn't the "stop loss" process a back door draft? With the loophole for "draft dodging" being if you never signed up for the military in the first place, you won't be drafted/stop-lossed for (more) service against your wishes?

While an old-style draft would be highly unpopular, what we're doing to those who have already volunteered and served (enough) is pretty bad form, IMO.

edit: added stop-loss wiki link

 

[Genx87]

Is the OP on crack?

What is wrong with what McCain was saying? Stated no draft unless we get into something our volunteer forces cant handle manpower wise. IE another World War.

This isnt a hard concept for most to understand. Only the OP which is a partisan hack can make such an issue about this.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Fern
Uhhhh. If there's a moron around, it ain't McCain.

I don't see anything disagreeable about his remarks. I doubt many others will either.

Fern

Yeah, in logical POV, it's purely correct to observe that the draft system results in a lower-quality military force, and in our high-tech age, unnecessary to provide huge numbers of people for the actual first stages of combat operations.

OTOH, Shinseki's estimate of 500k troops to maintain stability in Iraq looks to be entirely correct in retrospect. If we had contained the sectarian violence and mayhem, secured weapons depots, provided infrastructure integrity, etc, from the beginning, we wouldn't be looking down the barrel of the prospect of decades more work just to get it done.

My support is to put the onus on the politicians themselves, cushy desk jockey assholes who almost invariably never have children in the line of fire. McCain is a notable exception, and I respect him for that, and give a :thumbsup: to his sons in service.

 

[woodie1]

Errr ... Doesn't Congress have to institute a draft? Least ways I thought that was what I learnt in school. That would make McCain's position ...

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: woodie1
Errr ... Doesn't Congress have to institute a draft? Least ways I thought that was what I learnt in school. That would make McCain's position ...

Well, in point of fact, the POTUS has quite a bit of influence on policy initiatives, regardless of who has to do the actual voting. But technically you're correct.

 

[woodie1]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: woodie1
Errr ... Doesn't Congress have to institute a draft? Least ways I thought that was what I learnt in school. That would make McCain's position ...

Well, in point of fact, the POTUS has quite a bit of influence on policy initiatives, regardless of who has to do the actual voting. But technically you're correct.

Thank you so much.
I been out of school so long I thought they might have slipped one more thing past me.

 

[bamacre]

The idea of a military draft is barbaric, based on the belief that the state owns you, rather than the people owning the state. If one's government is worthy of fighting for, and the war has merit and is just, a draft would be unnecessary.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: woodie1
Errr ... Doesn't Congress have to institute a draft? Least ways I thought that was what I learnt in school. That would make McCain's position ...

Congress is lead/controlled by Democrats - they can not be held responsible from the OP POV

 

[Atreus21]

Originally posted by: techs
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/200...litics_mccain_draft_dc

McCain says only World War III would justify draft Wed Jun 25, 1:48 AM ET


Only World War III would prompt Republican presidential candidate John McCain to bring back the military draft, McCain said on Tuesday.

Many Americans are fearful the U.S. government will be forced to reinstitute the draft given the prolonged Iraq and Afghanistan wars.

Asked about that possibility by a potential voter in Florida during a telephone "town hall meeting," McCain said: "I don't know what would make a draft happen unless we were in an all-out World War III."

The United States ended its last military draft in 1973 in the waning years of the Vietnam war, moving to an all-volunteer military force.

McCain, a Vietnam veteran, said the draft during that conflict weighed most heavily on lower-income Americans, and that this should not be repeated.

"I do not believe the draft is even practicable or desirable," McCain said.


What a moron. WW3 would be over in 15 minutes, so there would be no need for the draft. And as for the imbecilic idea that the Viet Nam draft weighed most heavily on lower income Americans, did this idiot even think before he spoke?
The current 'volunteer' armed forces is more highly composed of lower income Americans. A draft is designed to make every economic faction contribute fairly. The problem in Viet Nam was the rich people found ways around the draft. All you have to do is end exemptions and the draft is fair.

Um, dude. I think he was speaking metaphorically. The point he was making was that a draft is only viable in extraordinary circumstances.

Gee wiz.

 

[woodie1]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: woodie1
Errr ... Doesn't Congress have to institute a draft? Least ways I thought that was what I learnt in school. That would make McCain's position ...

Congress is lead/controlled by Democrats - they can not be held responsible from the OP POV

Oh. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Atreus21
Um, dude. I think he was speaking metaphorically. The point he was making was that a draft is only viable in extraordinary circumstances.

Gee wiz.

Maybe the OP wants a draft to punish us for Afghanistan and Iraq - so that we never enter into a conflict again.

 

[rockyct]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Is the OP on crack?

What is wrong with what McCain was saying? Stated no draft unless we get into something our volunteer forces cant handle manpower wise. IE another World War.

This isnt a hard concept for most to understand. Only the OP which is a partisan hack can make such an issue about this.

Yeah, I'm pretty liberal and a strong Obama supporter and I completely agree with what McCain is saying. I think the OP is a moron to think that a hypothetical WW3 would be over in 15 minutes. Maybe if we were at war with Canada or France, but I think that a war involving China would last a tad longer than that.

 

[PokerGuy]

OP: you must be the poster child for a failed public school system, you seem to have a very hard time grasping some fairly basic concepts.

He's basically saying he does not believe a draft to be beneficial, and he sees no need for a draft unless there are truly dire circumstances that force a dramatic increase in manpower.

Also, he's absolutely right about the impact being disproportionately felt by lower income Americans. Many of those with money/power and connections were able to get out of the draft or out of deployment to vietnam (*cough* GWB *cough*), while those without connections had no such options.

You should stop viewing everything through the glasses of blind partisan hatred for a change. Sometimes McCain is wrong, sometimes he's right. Sometimes Obama is wrong, sometimes he's right. If McCain said "water is wet", you'd post saying that he was an idiot and just trying to spread FUD. :roll: