McCain on Larry King last night

[jackschmittusa]

I'm surprised that no one mentioned this already.

On last night's show, King brought up Joe Biden, and McCain started his response with "Joe the Biden" and had to start over. Guess McCain has said "Joe the plumber" too many times.

King started a scenario with something like "You're flying over the Pacific, between nowhere and nowhere, and a crisis comes up. How much faith do you have that Palin could handle things?" McCain goes on and on about how well she would do and then says "We've gotta quit this thing about me dying.". King reminds him it's about flying over the Pacific. You could almost see the backup lights come on in McCain's brain.

I actually chuckled out loud over these.

 

[nageov3t]

Biden has actually been calling himself Joe the Biden.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes...-connects-with-crowds/

 

[jackschmittusa]

If McCain didn't think it was a gaff, he wouldn't have backed up.

 

[robphelan]

McCain also complained that Obama "Lied" about his intention to use public financing.. boohoo. Obama changed his mind - he didn't lie.

Also, he goes on to say that Obama refused repeated requests for townhall meetings - I don't know why McCain is complaing - this was probably the nicest thing Obama did for him. McCain would have been exposed as the angry old man he is months ago.

more desperate flailings.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: robphelan
McCain also complained that Obama "Lied" about his intention to use public financing.. boohoo. Obama changed his mind - he didn't lie.

I predict many more gems like this over the next 4-8 years.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: robphelan

more desperate flailings.

Thats all MCCain has left...

Policy? = Fail (the reps have no legs to stand on this year)
Character? = Fail (The McCain of the past left his character and conscience at the doorstep on the 2008 campaign)
Experience? = Fail (The edge McCain had there was eliminated by him running around for the past 2 months looking nothing like a leader).
Judgement? = Fail (Palin - enough said)


Answer - Flail, attack and slander.

 

[Juddog]

Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
I'm surprised that no one mentioned this already.

On last night's show, King brought up Joe Biden, and McCain started his response with "Joe the Biden" and had to start over. Guess McCain has said "Joe the plumber" too many times.

King started a scenario with something like "You're flying over the Pacific, between nowhere and nowhere, and a crisis comes up. How much faith do you have that Palin could handle things?" McCain goes on and on about how well she would do and then says "We've gotta quit this thing about me dying.". King reminds him it's about flying over the Pacific. You could almost see the backup lights come on in McCain's brain.

I actually chuckled out loud over these.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZZgj6XpuS0

 

[Lemon law]

Even as a partisan dem, I have to somewhat laugh at all this McCain is losing it stuff and having senior moments. Yes its understandable that McCain is tired, clutching at straws, but the reality is, with less than one week to go, McCain has not found an issue that will either hurt Obama or show he is better. Its hard to be on message when McCain does not have a working message.

In any normal election year, McCain would be far more competitive, but GWB and his stinking record is what is dooming John McCain. You can be a hell of a saleman, but when you are selling buggy whips in an
the modern age, the fact is no one wants buggy whips.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Even as a partisan dem, I have to somewhat laugh at all this McCain is losing it stuff and having senior moments. Yes its understandable that McCain is tired, clutching at straws, but the reality is, with less than one week to go, McCain has not found an issue that will either hurt Obama or show he is better. Its hard to be on message when McCain does not have a working message.

In any normal election year, McCain would be far more competitive, but GWB and his stinking record is what is dooming John McCain. You can be a hell of a saleman, but when you are selling buggy whips in an
the modern age, the fact is no one wants buggy whips.

It doesn't help that he's offering Alaskan Albatross for desert.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: robphelan
McCain also complained that Obama "Lied" about his intention to use public financing.. boohoo. Obama changed his mind - he didn't lie.

Didn't he sign a piece of paper, a pledge, a promise? I guess I need help understanding leftist moral relativism. What's required for it to be a lie - sworn under oath?

 

[Gonad the Barbarian]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: robphelan
McCain also complained that Obama "Lied" about his intention to use public financing.. boohoo. Obama changed his mind - he didn't lie.

Didn't he sign a piece of paper, a pledge, a promise? I guess I need help understanding leftist moral relativism. What's required for it to be a lie - sworn under oath?

Hasn't that been what's kept Bush in the free and clear? And didn't McCain pledge to run a clean campaign?

 

[Thump553]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: robphelan
McCain also complained that Obama "Lied" about his intention to use public financing.. boohoo. Obama changed his mind - he didn't lie.

Didn't he sign a piece of paper, a pledge, a promise? I guess I need help understanding leftist moral relativism. What's required for it to be a lie - sworn under oath?

alchemize: link us to this pledge you are relying on that you contend Obama broke.

It's been gone over and over on this board already but I'll go through it one more time for you. Obama, in a written response to a very early questionaire from from third party group said that if he was the Dem nominee he would negotiate with the GOP nominee about limiting to public funds only. Nowhere did he make a binding promise to limit himself to public funds. McCain took no action or forebearance in reliance on any supposed promise.

Given the number of times McCain has rasied this, I seriously question his ability to handle any sort of diplomatic negotiations.

I'm also stunned that the GOP contends a Democratic MUST spend money from the government instead of using private funds. Very Alice In Wonderland to me.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Thump553

I'm also stunned that the GOP contends a Democratic MUST spend money from the government instead of using private funds. Very Alice In Wonderland to me.

Sounds like Socialists to me.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: robphelan
McCain also complained that Obama "Lied" about his intention to use public financing.. boohoo. Obama changed his mind - he didn't lie.

I predict many more gems like this over the next 4-8 years.

Alright here's the truth. He didn't trust McCain not to use every smear in the book which would have caused him to use all his campaign money to fight the smears instead of run the positive campaign he did.

And McCain? He lied. He is running the mother of all smear campaigns.

Game, set and match to Obama's judgement of McCain.

 

[mugs]

The president can do his job on Air Force One over the Pacific.

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: robphelan
McCain also complained that Obama "Lied" about his intention to use public financing.. boohoo. Obama changed his mind - he didn't lie.

Also, he goes on to say that Obama refused repeated requests for townhall meetings - I don't know why McCain is complaing - this was probably the nicest thing Obama did for him. McCain would have been exposed as the angry old man he is months ago.

more desperate flailings.

:Q

The next four years are gonna be fun in here if Obama wins...

wow, just wow.

 

[Xavier434]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: robphelan
McCain also complained that Obama "Lied" about his intention to use public financing.. boohoo. Obama changed his mind - he didn't lie.

Didn't he sign a piece of paper, a pledge, a promise? I guess I need help understanding leftist moral relativism. What's required for it to be a lie - sworn under oath?

Let's start with an example. How about....YOU! Do you ever change your mind in light of new information?

I know I do. I sure as hell hope our president does.

 

[techs]

Didn't McCain sign a paper, a pledge to run a clean campaign?

 

[owensdj]

alchemize, Obama never promised or even agreed to take public financing. That's another McCain lie. Here is Obama's exact quote on the subject from back in the early part of the year. "If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election." Obama was interested in an agreement on a publically financed election, but didn't get it. Most likely because McCain would never agree to limit the campaign spending by the RNC, which is not limited by the public finance system. Obama would have been dumb to agree to that, and we don't want a dumb President.

 

[sonambulo]

Originally posted by: owensdjMost likely because McCain would never agree to limit the campaign spending by the RNC, which is not limited by the public finance system.

Ding-ding!

Don't let anybody fool you. The RNC is raking it in this year too.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: robphelan
McCain also complained that Obama "Lied" about his intention to use public financing.. boohoo. Obama changed his mind - he didn't lie.

Didn't he sign a piece of paper, a pledge, a promise? I guess I need help understanding leftist moral relativism. What's required for it to be a lie - sworn under oath?

The actual "promise" was to work with the Republican nomination to reach an agreement on going with public financing:
As stated in this questionnaire

OBAMA: Yes. I have been a long-time advocate for public financing of campaigns combined with free television and radio time as a way to reduce the influence of moneyed special interests. I introduced public financing legislation in the Illinois State Senate, and am the only 2008 candidate to have sponsored Senator Russ Feingold?s (D-WI) bill to reform the presidential public financing system. In February 2007, I proposed a novel way to preserve the strength of the public financing system in the 2008 election. My plan requires both major party candidates to agree on a fundraising truce, return excess money from donors, and stay within the public financing system for the general election. My proposal followed announcements by some presidential candidates that they would forgo public financing so they could raise unlimited funds in the general election. The Federal Election Commission ruled the proposal legal, and Senator John McCain (r-AZ) has already pledged to accept this fundraising pledge. If I am the Democratic nominee, I will aggressively pursue an agreement with the Republican nominee to preserve a publicly financed general election.

Then, Obama comes to this decision::

Published: June 20, 2008
WASHINGTON ? Senator Barack Obama announced Thursday that he would not participate in the public financing system for presidential campaigns. He argued that the system had collapsed, and would put him at a disadvantage running against Senator John McCain, his likely Republican opponent.

Take special note of the date of that article. You will need to reference it in a bit.

On the surface, it sure looks like Obama reneged on this deal. Or even flat out lied or changed his mind. However, in politics, nothing is as it seems.

Here's where it gets tricky. McCain was not only willing, but pleading with his opponents to abide by public funding when he was so far behind in the primaries, he was looking at his own ass. And when you are in that position, money is kind of hard to raise.

Then comes Super Tuesday and McCain becomes the clear front runner for the Republicans! Good for him? Uh no. Now, he no longer wants to be bound by his public funds pledge.

Source

McCain Loan Raises FEC Questions
JIM KUHNHENN | February 21, 2008 12:56 PM EST |

The government's top campaign finance regulator says John McCain can't drop out of the primary election's public financing system until he answers questions about a loan he obtained to kickstart his once faltering presidential campaign.

Federal Election Commission Chairman David Mason, in a letter to McCain this week, said the all-but-certain Republican nominee needs to assure the commission that he did not use the promise of public money to help secure a $4 million line of credit he obtained in November.

McCain's lawyer, Trevor Potter, said Wednesday evening that McCain has withdrawn from the system and that the FEC can't stop him. Potter, who was FEC chairman in 1994, said the campaign did not encumber the public funds in any way.

........

"We believe that Senator McCain had a clear legal right to withdraw from the primary matching fund system and he has done so," Potter said. "No FEC action was or is required for withdrawal."

Potter said McCain will continue with his campaign and not adhere to the public financing system's limits on spending. Without a full commission, Mason has little enforcement power. Likewise, without an FEC, McCain has no way to appeal Mason's conclusion.

At issue is the fine print in the loan agreement between McCain and Fidelity & Trust Bank. McCain secured the loan using his list of contributors, his promise to use that list to raise money to pay off the loan and by taking out a life insurance policy.

But the agreement also said that if McCain were to withdraw from the public financing system before the end of 2007 and then were to lose the New Hampshire primary by more than 10 percentage points, he would have had to reapply to the FEC for public matching funds and provide the bank additional collateral for the loan.

................

One former Republican FEC chairman, Michael Toner, said McCain should not need action by the FEC to pull out of public financing.

"If a candidate indicates he or she does not want the money and does so before payments are made and does not take advantage of the promise of future payments, then he or she is free to withdraw from the system," said Toner, who advised former GOP presidential contender Fred Thompson. "That's my understanding of exactly what happened here."

Notice the date on the article? I bolded it for your convenience. Once McCain's nomination was sealed, the money started pouring in and he withdrew from public financing without a second thought.

As usual, the Republicans love to throw stones from their elegant glass houses while hoping that the curtains are thick enough so as to not be seen while doing it.

 

[Muse]

McCain had several senior moments during the last debate. I've come to expect them every time he opens his mouth.