McCain Lies To The Press Again

jpeyton

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This one is pretty clear cut. He voted against Federal legislation establishing the MLK Jr. holiday in 1983, then supported Repubilcan Governor Mecham's decision to rescind the holiday in their state of AZ in 1987. To top it all off, in 1990 he voted against new anti-discrimination laws protecting workers.

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McCain Claim: McCain Defended Opposition Of Federal MLK Holiday By Saying He Supported Arizona?s State Holiday. During a press availability in Panama City, Florida, John McCain said, ?I have supported hundreds of pieces of legislation, which would help Americans obtain an equal opportunity in America. I am proud of that record, from fighting for the recognition of Dr. Martin Luther King?s birthday in my state to sponsoring specific legislation that would prevent discrimination in any shape or form in America today.? [McCain Press Availability In Panama City, Florida, 8/1/08]

* FACT: McCain Supported Republican AZ Governor?s Decision To Rescind MLK Holiday. ABC News reported, ?In Arizona, a bill to recognize a holiday honoring MLK failed in the legislature, so then-Gov. Bruce Babbitt, a Democrat, declared one through executive order. In January 1987, the first act of Arizona?s new governor, Republican Evan Mecham, was to rescind the executive order by his predecessor to create an MLK holiday. Arizona?s stance became a national controversy. McCain backed the decision at the time.? [ABC News, 4/3/08]

* FACT: McCain Supported Gov. Evan Mecham?s Decision In 1987 To Rescind Martin Luther King Jr. Day. As reported by the Philadelphia Inquirer, ?In a vote likely to haunt him for the rest of his public career, McCain voted against 1983 legislation establishing the third Monday in January as the federal holiday marking King?s birthday. Back home in Arizona, he supported Gov. Evan Mecham?s decision in 1987 to rescind an executive order creating a state holiday for King, but later reversed his position.? [Philadelphia Inquirer, 6/16/08]

* FACT: McCain Voted Against Creating Martin Luther King Holiday. In 1983, McCain voted against a motion to suspend the rules and pass a bill to designate the third Monday of every January as a federal holiday in honor of the late civil rights leader, the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. The motion passed 89-77. [HR 3706, Vote 289, 8/2/83; CQ 1983]

* McCain Admitted His Opposition To The Federal MLK Holiday Was ?A Mistake? And His Position Has ?Evolved.? During a 2000 interview, McCain compared his evolution on this issue to former Arizona Sen. Barry Goldwater. ?I believe that Barry Goldwater, to start with, regretted his vote on the 1964 Civil Rights Act,? McCain said. ?I think that Barry grew, like all of us grow and evolve. In 1983, when I was brand-new in the Congress, I voted against the recognition of Dr. Martin Luther King. That was a mistake, OK? And later I had the chance to ? help fight for ? the recognition of Dr. Martin Luther King as a holiday in my state.? [ www.salon.com 4/18/00; Accessed 4/2/08]

* FACT: In 1994, McCain Sided With Senator Jesse Helms and Voted To Eliminate Funding For Martin Luther King Commission. McCain voted in favor of a Helms amendment ?to prohibit federal financing for the Martin Luther King Jr. Federal Holiday Commission.? The amendment failed 28-70-2. [S Amdt 1738, Vote #127, 5/24/94; CQ Vote Description]

* FACT: McCain Voted Against The Civil Rights Act Of 1990 FOUR Times. In 1990, McCain voted against a bill designed to address employer discrimination at least 4 times. According to the Washington Post, the ?Civil Rights Act of 1990 is designed to overturn several recent Supreme Court rulings that made it much more difficult for individual employees to prove discrimination. The legislation, being fought by business, also would impose new penalties on employers convicted of job discrimination.? [S 2104, Vote #304, 10/24/90; Vote #276, Vote #275, 10/16/90; Vote #161, 7/18/90; Washington Post, 7/9/90]
 

dphantom

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Good troll. Nice job. Thank goodness BHL never lies, err changes positions...
 

herm0016

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hmm.. but what else was in each of those bills? esp. the job discrimination one, that is a slippery slope to making it illegal to not hire someone who applies and is a minority. I am not familiar with the specific bills though. I am sure we can find as many times the BHO has reversed his position.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: herm0016
hmm.. but what else was in each of those bills? esp. the job discrimination one, that is a slippery slope to making it illegal to not hire someone who applies and is a minority. I am not familiar with the specific bills though. I am sure we can find as many times the BHO has reversed his position.

That was a blatant lie and you're trying to look beyond it?
 

XMan

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"Repubilcan Governor Mecham's decision to rescind the holiday in their state of AZ in 1987. To top it all off, in 1990 he voted against new anti-discrimination laws protecting workers. "

FWIW, I lived in Arizona at that time. What Governor Meecham did was remove MLK Day as a paid state holiday. It was still a holiday for school children, federal workers, etc. It was just that state employees could not take the day off as a paid holiday. So in that sense the controversy is a bit overstated.

Evan Mecham gained national attention several days after inauguration by fulfilling his campaign promise to cancel a paid MLK Day holiday for state employees. The holiday had been created in May 1986 by executive order from the previous governor, Bruce Babbitt, after the state legislature had voted not to create the holiday. Following the creation of the holiday, the state Attorney General's office issued an opinion that the paid holiday was illegal and threatened to sue the incoming governor over the cost of the paid holiday as it had not been approved by the legislature.

Not to say that Mecham wasn't a douche, but there was a somewhat logical explanation for it.
 

Craig234

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On a side note, the Governor who McCain initially supported for canceling the holiday but later opposed, Mecham, was described as an 'arch-conservative'; but as governor, it wasn't long before there was a recall vote forming with enough votes for the ballot, but before they could hold the recall, he was impeached and removed. It's almost funny if not so sad how effective it is for crooks to hide behind 'conservative/family/moral/patriotic' labels.

The goobers who fall for their routine and vote for them imaging the other side as some commie/nazi/big spending/satan following/puppy hating monsters, it seems. Not literally, but they do embrace any nice smile that appeals to their 'conservative values', and do not consider the substantive issues on which the other side has a far better case to make.

All the crooks have to do is come up with a couple anecdotes that are straw men about those darn liberals and how they're for what's good and right, and the goobers swoon, and are then 'disappointed' on a regular basis.
 

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Provide the complete bills that he voted against/supported; not just the sound bites that support youir view point.

Also, explanations by a politician on the stance with respect to a bill are very useful.

The perceived harm that a bill could created by attached riders or poorly worded instructions can be of an concern.
 
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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: herm0016
hmm.. but what else was in each of those bills? esp. the job discrimination one, that is a slippery slope to making it illegal to not hire someone who applies and is a minority. I am not familiar with the specific bills though. I am sure we can find as many times the BHO has reversed his position.

That was a blatant lie and you're trying to look beyond it?

Like the many blatant lies Obama spews, yet you look past them.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Provide the complete bills that he voted against/supported; not just the sound bites that support youir view point.

Also, explanations by a politician on the stance with respect to a bill are very useful.

The perceived harm that a bill could created by attached riders or poorly worded instructions can be of an concern.

Does that really matter? The man said he supported the bill when he clearly didn't.
 

Dari

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Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: herm0016
hmm.. but what else was in each of those bills? esp. the job discrimination one, that is a slippery slope to making it illegal to not hire someone who applies and is a minority. I am not familiar with the specific bills though. I am sure we can find as many times the BHO has reversed his position.

That was a blatant lie and you're trying to look beyond it?

Like the many blatant lies Obama spews, yet you look past them.

For example?
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: dphantom
Good troll. Nice job. Thank goodness BHL never lies, err changes positions...

1. Why is it a troll post when McCain is clearly misrepresenting his position?

2. What does Obama have to do with this thread?
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: dphantom
Good troll. Nice job. Thank goodness BHL never lies, err changes positions...

1. Why is it a troll post when McCain is clearly misrepresenting his position?

2. What does Obama have to do with this thread?

"A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into flaming discussion. "

The title says it all.

Why so defensive about your messiah?
 

EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: Dari
Originally posted by: Common Courtesy
Provide the complete bills that he voted against/supported; not just the sound bites that support youir view point.

Also, explanations by a politician on the stance with respect to a bill are very useful.

The perceived harm that a bill could created by attached riders or poorly worded instructions can be of an concern.

Does that really matter? The man said he supported the bill when he clearly didn't.

McCain Admitted His Opposition To The Federal MLK Holiday Was ?A Mistake? And His Position Has ?Evolved.? During a 2000 interview, McCain compared his evolution on this issue to former Arizona Sen. Barry Goldwater. ?I believe that Barry Goldwater, to start with, regretted his vote on the 1964 Civil Rights Act,? McCain said. ?I think that Barry grew, like all of us grow and evolve. In 1983, when I was brand-new in the Congress, I voted against the recognition of Dr. Martin Luther King. That was a mistake, OK? And later I had the chance to ? help fight for ? the recognition of Dr. Martin Luther King as a holiday in my state.?

Sounds like he changed his stance over the years.

And Obama has also changed his stance on issues

So a sound bites for 10-40 years ago are paid attention to but conviently ignored afterwards.

Also, progressiveaccountability.org is a self admitted attack dog against McCain

 

Stoneburner

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McCain opposed the MLK holiday. Or he voted against it before he voted against it again.

What's the dispute here? The fact he's lying about what he did? He's told several blatant lies in just the past 4 weeks.
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: XMan
"Repubilcan Governor Mecham's decision to rescind the holiday in their state of AZ in 1987. To top it all off, in 1990 he voted against new anti-discrimination laws protecting workers. "

FWIW, I lived in Arizona at that time. What Governor Meecham did was remove MLK Day as a paid state holiday. It was still a holiday for school children, federal workers, etc. It was just that state employees could not take the day off as a paid holiday. So in that sense the controversy is a bit overstated.

Evan Mecham gained national attention several days after inauguration by fulfilling his campaign promise to cancel a paid MLK Day holiday for state employees. The holiday had been created in May 1986 by executive order from the previous governor, Bruce Babbitt, after the state legislature had voted not to create the holiday. Following the creation of the holiday, the state Attorney General's office issued an opinion that the paid holiday was illegal and threatened to sue the incoming governor over the cost of the paid holiday as it had not been approved by the legislature.

Not to say that Mecham wasn't a douche, but there was a somewhat logical explanation for it.

No he used that as a excuse to cancel it. He was the same person that also said...

"King doesn't deserve a holiday."

The whole pay thing was just the cover.


Also he defended the use of the word "pickaninny" to describe black children.

and

"I employ black people. I don't employ them because they are black; I employ them because they are the best people who applied for the cotton-picking job."
 

ProfJohn

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Can someone explain to me why Martin Luther King has a holiday but Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, Hamilton, Lincoln and FDR don't.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: dphantom
Good troll. Nice job. Thank goodness BHL never lies, err changes positions...

1. Why is it a troll post when McCain is clearly misrepresenting his position?

2. What does Obama have to do with this thread?

"A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into flaming discussion. "

The title says it all.

Why so defensive about your messiah?

Excellent. By that definition you are a troll. Thanks for clearing that up.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Can someone explain to me why Martin Luther King has a holiday but Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, Hamilton, Lincoln and FDR don't.

Presidents Day?

 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Can someone explain to me why Martin Luther King has a holiday but Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Franklin, Hamilton, Lincoln and FDR don't.

Presidents Day?

I think the point he is making is we do not have recognized Federal holidays named after individuals. We used to have Washington's birthday, but that was changed to Presidents day. In keeping with that logic, we should not have a MLK day.

ProfJohn correct me if I am incorrect
 

dphantom

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Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: dphantom
Good troll. Nice job. Thank goodness BHL never lies, err changes positions...

1. Why is it a troll post when McCain is clearly misrepresenting his position?

2. What does Obama have to do with this thread?

"A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into flaming discussion. "

The title says it all.

Why so defensive about your messiah?

Excellent. By that definition you are a troll. Thanks for clearing that up.

Yes, we all are at some point and at times needs be to ensure the closeminded have a chance at glimpsing truth.

Still defensive about the messiah? You haven't answered my question.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: dphantom
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: dphantom
Good troll. Nice job. Thank goodness BHL never lies, err changes positions...

1. Why is it a troll post when McCain is clearly misrepresenting his position?

2. What does Obama have to do with this thread?

"A troll is someone who inspires flaming rhetoric, someone who is purposely provoking and pulling people into flaming discussion. "

The title says it all.

Why so defensive about your messiah?

Excellent. By that definition you are a troll. Thanks for clearing that up.

Yes, we all are at some point and at times needs be to ensure the closeminded have a chance at glimpsing truth.

Still defensive about the messiah? You haven't answered my question.
We aren't talking about Jesus Fucking Christ.