I think we can also find similar statements that can be found offensive of some sort in this politically correct society by 99% of Americans over their lifetime.
Sure he has, he wakes up and looks in the mirror every morning right?
Beat by the Vietcong for 5.5 years or be Jpeyton. Tough choice.
Probably the stupidest fucking thing you've ever posted here, which is saying a lot.
McCain has more character in his little finger than you've got in your entire body.
You really need to stick to the talking points that the messiah lets you off of his ball bag a couple of times a day to post. Whenever you get off script, it just confirms what a fucking tool you really are.
SP33Demon
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McCain shouldn't have been using that language publically, that's horrible. McCain was 1 of 600 captives at Hanoi, he wasn't special except for the fact he gave them all the military information they wanted. He decided to stay when they offered to release him in order to avoid a possible court martial. McCain always says "Country First", just as he did after the debate last night. However, a POW that was imprisoned with McCain, Air Force Lt John Dramesi said: "This business of my country before my life? Well, he had that opportunity and failed miserably. If it really were country first, John McCain would probably be walking around without one or two arms or legs ? or he'd be dead."
That is why even torture doesn't give him any right to denigrate another country of people that have immigrants here. He is a classless, impetuous, and unfiltered individual, I agree with the OP. Our country does not need someone like that in power. My .02
That is why even torture doesn't give him any right to denigrate another country of people that have immigrants here. He is a classless, impetuous, and unfiltered individual, I agree with the OP. Our country does not need someone like that in power. My .02
rudder
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Faux outrage by the left, surprise surprise.
At least we get to see more comments from the military hating leftists Jpeyton and Dahunan....that's always a treat.
At least we get to see more comments from the military hating leftists Jpeyton and Dahunan....that's always a treat.
WelshBloke
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As for Vietnam, my family is from there. I know a lot of members of the Vietnamese American did not want to unify with a Communist north. My paternal grandfather got stuck in North Vietnam because the North Vietnamese closed the border ahead of the cut off date to hold elections, because so many people were fleeing to the south that the North thought that they would lose in a general election. In my grandfather's case, he was a herbalist and the North Vietnamese forcibly kept him in Hanoi rather than let him go down to the south with his family (Wife and 3 kids)--that's how screwed up the Communist were.
The North Vietnamese also did not fight against the US alone. There were over 400K Chinese "military advisers" sent. I know this as fact since my father was an interpreter and had to regularly interrogate Chinese captured on the battlefield. Also, the Soviets aided the North Vietnamese with arms and money and China spent at the time over $25 Billion in aid to North Vietnam.
To think that North Vietnam fought us on its own is a fallacy of the left. There was a Cold War going on and while terrible things were done on both sides, in the case of Vietnam, America never invaded North Vietnam to conquer it. North Vietnam however did invade South Vietnam to conquer it. And did go on to invade Cambodia to conquer it. And was poised to invade Thailand to conquer it, but was only stopped by Chinese military intervention.
Another thing, when the US pulled out, millions of refugees fled Vietnam. If the Communist were so benevolent, why do you think so many people would flee? My dad told me stories during the fall of Saigon of how people were so desperate that they would literally cling to the wheels of aircraft and get crushed by the hydrolic presses or get caught on the ramp of the cargo planes and get crushed in the door. And when the Americans finally left and the communist came in, they repaid these fears in kind. The communist came in and went after everyone. As I said before, my maternal grandfather was nearly beaten to death because he was a soap merchant. They kept on demanding he cough up his "buried gold" like he was some leprechaun.
Anyway, I digress. While you might think the US was not justified in helping the South Vietnamese, I'm sure I can get millions of South Vietnamese who would say otherwise. Also to reiterate to you on just how brainwashed the people were by the Communist, they would regularly tell the locals that the reason America was there was to steal their rice because there was mass starvation in America. They would use propaganda pictures of America's poor and say that this was how America truly was. That's why the Vietnamese fought so fiercely. If the average Vietnamese knew the truth, they wouldn't support a war against their southern brethren that would cost 2 million lives.
There regular slogan to the masses was, that they would first liberate South Vietnam. Then Cambodia and next America. As another example of how brainwashed the people are, when my dad went to visit his father in Hanoi after not seeing him in 40 years, my grandfather asked him how long it took him. My father said his flight was 12 hours. My Grandfather asked him why so long? My dad thought this was odd, but said that America was on the other side of the world. And it took a plane that long to get there. When my Grandfather was told this he answered back incredulously and said that he was told by the government that it was on the other side of Cambodia. And that after liberating the South and Cambodia, that America was next.
Fern
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Highly unlikely.
The USA POW rules require that POWs are released in the order that they are captured.
The VC found out who McCain was and wanted to release him, presumably for PR purposes. McCain refused to be released out-of-turn, instead asking that those ahead of him in line be released first.
I don't how in the world you could avoid court martial by deciding to hang-out even longer with the enemy.
Fern
JohnOfSheffield
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McCain is a hero of war, i detest those who question him based on this, bottomfeeding arseholes trying to dig up slime that they are so familiar with.
As far as i am concerned, he has earned the right to call them what ever the fuck he wants to call them and that goes for others too.
As a commanding officer of a unit i try to keep it to a minimum in public places but there are quite a few inventive phrases used for our enemy and you know what? The motherfuckers are trying to kill us so i reserve my right to call them whatever i fucking want.
I just popped in to say that, i gotta go again, i'll be back in a week or so.
As far as i am concerned, he has earned the right to call them what ever the fuck he wants to call them and that goes for others too.
As a commanding officer of a unit i try to keep it to a minimum in public places but there are quite a few inventive phrases used for our enemy and you know what? The motherfuckers are trying to kill us so i reserve my right to call them whatever i fucking want.
I just popped in to say that, i gotta go again, i'll be back in a week or so.
JohnOfSheffield
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Are you a 1st generation vietnamese american? McCain support among the vietnamese population, especially those those lived through the war is extremely high. The Mercurynews had an article the other day. McCain's support among vietnamese is 51% to 24%. I sure that include 1st and 2nd generations. i would not be surprised if Obama's number would be better among 2nd generation.
Maybe because you're living in Pennsylvania where the vietnamese population is rather small compared to the bay area and orange county here in California. Win and losing support is rather easy. Oppose anything the Vietnamese government 30 years ago or today and you'll win big. Have even the smallest ounce of association or even perception of support and you'll be burned at the stake.
WelshBloke
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Yes, and brilliant as usual Moonie.
The problem is with the term racist. Most people think of the Klan, or a certain government during WWII, or similar. Unfortunately, racism has now gone undercover, it is the stealth issue among many peoples of different colors. When Limbaugh jumps on the CRA, or McCain talks about "who is Barack Obama", the right wing blogs call Obama by his full name, etc. the racism leaks out.
It's the sign of certain rigidity and FEAR when you can't or won't say the N word but you will refer to Barack Hussein Obama.
But, this stuff infects ALMOST everyone. We all have it in our heads because we are brainwashed by the culture we live in, and the culture that lives in our heads. So, Biden makes racist comments...but doesn't think they are racist because he's only an 'observer' who is stating facts. LOL. That's always the excuse. "I'm not anti-black, but have you noticed they are all on WELFARE?" "I don't mind the Asians, mind you, but they are all horrible athletes." And so on.
This same sort of bundle of cultural prejudices once severely infected Europeans who felt that if you weren't nobility, then you were merde. Only the occasional brilliant statesman, merchant or civil servant rose to sit with the nobility. Guys like Samual Pepys, Cromwell, maybe Churchill. In the USA the political classes have very strong feelings about leading and the necessity of directing the bourgeois and lower classes. It's worse than Noblesse Oblige, it's a form or patriarchal slavery.
So, given the serious limitations of human consciousness, everyone is a slave of something or someone. Some are addicted to Crysis, some to chess, some to sex, some to always being right, some to what they euphemistically call excellence, etc.
Humans are no better than cockroaches, yet we do like to think we are.
FWIW, I think McCain IS a racist. And that's one of the better things I can say about him.
Of course, I'm a slave to MY prejudices....-Robert
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