McCain Breaks Sharply from Bush on Environment

DealMonkey

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I think for a lot of people, this is a welcome change from Bush-era policies on McCain's part, however I predict that for many conservative types, this will only sour them on McCain even moreso. Strategically though, it'll give him some common ground with the Dem candidate, whomever that may be...

McCain Breaks Sharply from Bush on Environment

ABC News' Ron Claiborne Reports: Campaigning in the Pacific Northwest, presumptive Republican nominee John McCain, R-Ariz., will break sharply from the Bush administration on climate change, calling for urgent steps to confront its threat and saying that as president he "will not shirk the mantle of leadership" on the issue.


In an implicit rebuke to the Bush administration, McCain will say in remarks prepared for delivery at the Vestas Wind Energy Training Facility in Portland, Oregon. "I will not shirk the mantle of leadership that the United States bears. I will not permit eight long years to pass without serious action on serious challenges." Referring to the Kyoto Protocols on greenhouse gas emissions the U.S. never signed, McCain added "I will not accept the same dead-end of failed diplomacy that claimed Kyoto."

"We stand warned by serious and credible scientists across the world that time is short and the dangers are great," McCain will say. ""The most relevant question now is whether our own government is equal to the challenge."

McCain proposed a "cap-and-trade" system that sets overall limits on domestic greenhouse gas emissions and allows companies with low emissions to sell their credits to companies that fail to meet their benchmarks. He called for capping total U.S emissions nationwide at 2005 levels by the year 2012, at 1990 levels by 2020, with the aim of cutting emissions by 2050 by at least 60 percent of the 1990 levels. He does not mention mandating higher fuel efficiency levels for vehicles.

McCain also favors increasing reliance on nuclear power.

"It doesn't take a leap in logic to conclude that if we want to arrest global warming, then nuclear energy is a powerful allow in that cause," he said.

This week, McCain is embarking on a series of environmental-themed campaign events. McCain advisers say it is a way to distinguish himself from President Bush. Charles Black, a senior aide to McCain, noted that climate change is an issue is of particular importance to younger voters, a group among whom Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill, has done well in the Democratic primaries. As the the Democrats continue to attack McCain as offering what amounts to a third Bush term, the McCain campaign says the Arizona Republican will stepping up efforts to highlight his differences with the president, including talking frequently about environmental issues.

During his presidential quest, McCain has spoken out often on climate change. He was one of the only Republican candidates do so and was the most forceful GOP contender to talk about the issue. In 2003, he sponsored the first bill calling for mandatory reductions in greenhouse gas emissions.

McCain has indicated he may support legislation sponsored by Sen. Joseph Lieberman, Ind-Conn., and Sen. John Warner, R-Va, that would mandate a reduction of greenhouse gas emissions to 70 percent below 1990 levels by 2050. Obama and Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-New York, support the Lieberman-Warner bill, but have called for even greater reductions, to 80 percent below 1990 levels by mid-century.

Despite having been outspoken on the issue of climate change for years, McCain earned only a 24 (out of 100) lifetime rating by the League of Conservation Voters. He received a 0 score for 2007 because he failed to vote on any of what the LCV considered important environmental legislation.

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Genx87

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What a fool.

The only thing in that passage that was realistic was Nuclear power. I think even the greenies are finally coming to the realization it is the cleanest form of reliable power.

Unless they find the holy grail of clean energy. Are they going to put us back in the 1930's energy production wise? Gee I can hardly wait.
 

Rainsford

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Good, I knew there was something about McCain I still liked. Even though he rolled over on a number of issues, it's nice to see he can still break from the lockstep and groupthink that has claimed much of the Republican party when he wants to.

But seriously, could we stop saying that people "believe" in MMGW or they "don't believe" in it? It's not religion, no matter how hard certain folks try to portray it that way. It's a scientific debate, so either you agree with the scientific argument one way or the other. "Belief" implies there is room for points of view NOT based on science, which is why people try so hard to tie that word to the debate...it saves them from having to make a scientific argument.
 

Lemon law

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Unless Obama or Hillary breaks sharply with McCain with the democrats embracing the GWB position, I fail to see how the GOP will become soured on McCain. The devil is always in the details, McCain may embrace the principle but fall far short on implementing the various real steps it takes to really address the problem. And we must always realize that the energy needs of India and China are being met in very un green ways.

So color me a little skeptical, but I still take it as a positive sign. It would be huge if a possible McCain administration does not engage in the active censorship of scientific study of global warming.
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
But seriously, could we stop saying that people "believe" in MMGW or they "don't believe" in it? It's not religion, no matter how hard certain folks try to portray it that way. It's a scientific debate, so either you agree with the scientific argument one way or the other. "Belief" implies there is room for points of view NOT based on science, which is why people try so hard to tie that word to the debate...it saves them from having to make a scientific argument.
In a nation devoid of spirituatlity, science has become a religion. Many back it with the blind fervor and zealotry they so scorn in those who readily admit they hold faith in what cannot be empirically proven.

 

Throckmorton

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McCain has always been an environmentalist. He even opposed ethanol until it became necessary to support it to beat Romney.
 

LumbergTech

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I don't really see this as being pro-environment at all...allowing the sale of credits etc just puts a burden on businesses (as opposed to not regulating in this way)

and it does nothing..

what is to stop larger companies from creating smaller companies and then selling the credits to themselves?
 

piasabird

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One main complaint from McCain is he refuses to sign the Kyoto agreement because it gives countries like India and China a pass on the levels of pollutants they produced. So the logical step should be threatening to break off relations with any nation that does not make a real attempt to reduce immissions. China is a major pollutor and the pollution they produce blows straight for California and the North American Continent.

It is time for operation Tough Love.
 

Vic

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And Newt does TV spots with Pelosi for MMGW... this isn't really news. text

And here's Pat and Al sitting down together for MMGW. text

And is there anyone still saying that US should ratify Kyoto as it stands? That's not tough love, that's 10 years ago.
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Topic Title
: McCain Breaks Sharply from Bush on Environment
Topic Summary: Apparently believes in MMGW

BFD! To quote the cliche, even a broken clock is right twice a day. McCain's break with reality is total. He's wrong about the war, he's wrong about the economy, and he's clueless about dealing with the world.

And that's before you get to his being a sellout political whore for supporting Bush's candidacy after the Bushwhackos swiftboated him as badly as they did John Kerry and Max Cleland.

McCain is as useless as tits on a boar.

 

glenn1

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Fine with me. This will simply allow more opportunities for the wealthy with foresight to fleece the gullible environmentalist types. They already open their wallets to pay extra for 'organic' foods, hybrid cars, etc, and this will simply vacuum more money from them.

On the other end, it won't really hurt the working class (much) because they'll simply defer purchases of the newer, more expensive products that have the green-mandated manufacturing profile, making the net effect on the environment a wash because of the increase in old clunkers on the road and ancient, energy inefficient appliances. Of course, these types of things aren't really about improving life for the proles anyway, just making the elites feel better about themselves.
 

ElFenix

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AGW

and can we pick a base year other than 1990? how about 1997?
 

Sacrilege

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Originally posted by: glenn1
Fine with me. This will simply allow more opportunities for the wealthy with foresight to fleece the gullible environmentalist types. They already open their wallets to pay extra for 'organic' foods, hybrid cars, etc, and this will simply vacuum more money from them.

On the other end, it won't really hurt the working class (much) because they'll simply defer purchases of the newer, more expensive products that have the green-mandated manufacturing profile, making the net effect on the environment a wash because of the increase in old clunkers on the road and ancient, energy inefficient appliances. Of course, these types of things aren't really about improving life for the proles anyway, just making the elites feel better about themselves.

It's not called the "green" movement for nothing. As in the color of the pieces of paper one can make off this trend. :D BTW what color are the major Euro notes? :wine:
 

ericlp

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I gotta hear what the non professor says about this! Will find it enlightening now that even if he does vote (repub) he will get screwed. So who do the non believers in GW vote for? :)

Well, that is a plus... for McCain... I guess that is one thing good if he won... I kinda wonder how far he will go with this or if it's all just talk to get more votes?
 

IGBT

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..shure. why not. the eco-kooks are walking around with their wallets open so why not purge their money and limit their life style all under greenism the new communism. You can do anything you want to the eco-kooks if you spin them with greenism.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Good, I knew there was something about McCain I still liked. Even though he rolled over on a number of issues, it's nice to see he can still break from the lockstep and groupthink that has claimed much of the Republican party when he wants to.

But seriously, could we stop saying that people "believe" in MMGW or they "don't believe" in it? It's not religion, no matter how hard certain folks try to portray it that way. It's a scientific debate, so either you agree with the scientific argument one way or the other. "Belief" implies there is room for points of view NOT based on science, which is why people try so hard to tie that word to the debate...it saves them from having to make a scientific argument.

I agree completely - I was simply being ironic. :)