McCain at Sturgis

[jonks]

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August 4th, 2008 11:13 PM Eastern
McCain rallies bikers at Sturgis
by Mosheh Oinounou

STURGIS, SD ? An extremely enthusiastic Sen. McCain stressed energy independence during brief remarks before more than 20,000 bikers Monday night at the annual Sturgis Motorcycle Rally.

?This is my first time here but I recognize that sound. It?s the sound of freedom and thank you for it,? McCain said as hundreds of bikers revved their engines at a Salute to Veterans rally on the Buffalo Chip campgrounds. ?I thank you all very much for that unique Sturgis welcome.?

A week-long event, which is celebrating its 68th anniversary, Sturgis attracts more than 500,000 bikers from around the world nearly doubling the population of South Dakota.

The McCain campaign sees a political opportunity out of Obama?s Berlin speech?to paint him as an out-of-touch celebrity?and today was no different.

?As you may know, not long ago a couple hundred thousand Berliners made a lot of noise for my opponent. I will take the roar of 50,000 Harleys any day, any day my friends,? McCain exclaimed to roars from the crowd.

McCain also joked that he urged Cindy to participate in a campground beauty pageant that was taking place during his speech.

?I was looking at the Sturgis schedule and noticed that you have a beauty pageant and so I encouraged Cindy to compete. I told her, with a little luck, she could be the only woman ever to serve as both the First Lady and Miss Buffalo Chip,? he said to cheers.

1. The "few hundred thousand Berliners" line. See, those Germans gathered in those numbers just to see Obama. Some right wing nutcase blogs posted about how some bands were performing, and that's why people really went, and that Obama was an afterthought. They apparently didn't figure out that the bands were there to entertain the thousands that showed for the Obama event.

But McCain then points to Obama's massive showing of international support, and espouses his preference for the sound of "50,000" Harleys". But they weren't there for him. The rally was taking place at the annual Sturgis bike festival, and those bikers were going to be there whether or not McCain showed. McCain only wishes he could assemble a crowd that size. So right wingers claimed that Obama showed up at the Berlin event where huge crowds were gathering in a shameful attempt to portray the crowd supported him, but then McCain goes and really does do exactly that. Ah, me.

2. The "Miss Buffalo Chip" uh, beauty pageant, usually involves drunk biker chicks getting naked and performing lesbian shows on stage. I couldn't find any pics or vids of Cindy's performance, nor word on whether or not she won. But it's nice that John was rooting for her.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: jonks


2. The "Miss Buffalo Chip" uh, beauty pageant, usually involves drunk biker chicks getting naked and performing lesbian shows on stage. I couldn't find any pics or vids of Cindy's performance, nor word on whether or not she won. But it's nice that John was rooting for her.

funny stuff

 

[DealMonkey]

Perhaps Cindy can inherit Rove's "turdblossom" nickname?

 

[jpeyton]

He was a grade A douchebag during that appearance. Basically par for the course for McCain public appearances these days.

He also got a little jab in about Obama's factually CORRECT stance that properly inflating tired and maintaining vehicles would save this country more in fuel that we would see 20 years from now in offshore drilling.

 

[Sinsear]

So just how many of those Germans in Berlin will be voting in the election?

 

[DealMonkey]

Is he trying to channel Reagan with his constant "...my friends..." routine?

 

[Lemon law]

I know enough Bikers to know that crowd thinks for itself. I doubt McCain scored many points with them.

 

[TechAZ]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
He was a grade A douchebag during that appearance. Basically par for the course for McCain public appearances these days.

He also got a little jab in about Obama's factually CORRECT stance that properly inflating tired and maintaining vehicles would save this country more in fuel that we would see 20 years from now in offshore drilling.

Proof?

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Sinsear
So just how many of those Germans in Berlin will be voting in the election?

Don't be jealous. Besides, the 90K Americans in Germany do vote.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: TechAZ

Originally posted by: jpeyton
He was a grade A douchebag during that appearance. Basically par for the course for McCain public appearances these days.

He also got a little jab in about Obama's factually CORRECT stance that properly inflating tired and maintaining vehicles would save this country more in fuel that we would see 20 years from now in offshore drilling.

Proof?

Link

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
I know enough Bikers to know that crowd thinks for itself. I doubt McCain scored many points with them.

They prefer him over Obama mainly because he's a Vet as many of them are or claim to be.

 

[TechAZ]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: TechAZ

Originally posted by: jpeyton
He was a grade A douchebag during that appearance. Basically par for the course for McCain public appearances these days.

He also got a little jab in about Obama's factually CORRECT stance that properly inflating tired and maintaining vehicles would save this country more in fuel that we would see 20 years from now in offshore drilling.

Proof?

Link

That's ASSUMING that everyone will regularly check their tire pressure. Does he really think that will happen? He knows it won't. So, it's true in a hypothetical world...but even Obama kool-aid drinkers know that's impossible. Or do they?

Then there's the fact that even if in that perfect dream world Obama likes to live in, we would still be importing 70% of oil. That does not solve energy independence, sorry but we're still bowing down to corrupt governments who support terror for their precious oil.

You know what, if we just get rid of vehicles we won't ever need to drill.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: TechAZ
You know what, if we just get rid of vehicles we won't ever need to drill.

Yeah Nerds like you can just have Scotty beam you up.:laugh:

 

[jpeyton]

McCain's solution is simple: suggest something that can't be proven wrong until I'm 6 feet under.

Offshore drilling won't impact oil prices, nor will it add a drop of oil to our domestic production until 2017.

 

[nageov3t]

omg, McCain made a joke.

/endoftheworld

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: TechAZ

Originally posted by: jpeyton
He was a grade A douchebag during that appearance. Basically par for the course for McCain public appearances these days.

He also got a little jab in about Obama's factually CORRECT stance that properly inflating tired and maintaining vehicles would save this country more in fuel that we would see 20 years from now in offshore drilling.

Proof?

Link

That looks to be based off that piece of crap EIA estimate.

It's based on a bunch of assumptions, among which is:

1. No new leases will be handed out until 2012. Why we have to wait 4 years I have no idea.

2. That there 18 Billion Barrels in new leased area. ANWAR has 16BB alone, the east coast is estimated to have 86.5 BB. Why they used such a low number is also unexplained.

If, as this report does, you start with assumptions that will we drag our feet for 4 years before even starting the auction of leases, and use very low estimates for increased BB of oil, of course you're going to get a report that shows negligable impact.

How about a report where we assumed we start now, and includes a more reasonable assumption about the amount of oil available. Would it be a much different picture? I think so.

Fern

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: TechAZ

Originally posted by: jpeyton
He was a grade A douchebag during that appearance. Basically par for the course for McCain public appearances these days.

He also got a little jab in about Obama's factually CORRECT stance that properly inflating tired and maintaining vehicles would save this country more in fuel that we would see 20 years from now in offshore drilling.

Proof?

Link

That looks to be based off that piece of crap EIA estimate.

It's based on a bunch of assumptions, among which is:

1. No new leases will be handed out until 2012. Why we have to wait 4 years I have no idea.

2. That there 18 Billion Barrels in new leased area. ANWAR has 16BB alone, the east coast is estimated to have 86.5 BB. Why they used such a low number is also unexplained.

If, as this report does, you start with assumptions that will we drag our feet for 4 years before even starting the auction of leases, and use very low estimates for increased BB of oil, of course you're going to get a report that shows negligable impact.

How about a report where we assumed we start now, and includes a more reasonable assumption about the amount of oil available. Would it be a much different picture? I think so.

Fern

It also assumes X%(or is it all?) drive around on improperly inflated tires. Also, driving habbits/terrain have much more impact on efficiency than does tire pressure. Infact I'd wager that in-town driving shows little/no effect for "underinflation". Obviously highway driving you can have some effect but the numbers thrown around are just absurd and are based on unsubstantiated(as far as I've seen) assumptions. What percentage of cars are underinflated, by how many PSI, miles driven by such people, etc. There are WAY too many variables for Obama(and his lapdog media) to be making such statements. It's also not really an energy "policy" anyway - it is common sense and proper maintenence to keep tires properly inflated.

 

[BoberFett]

Campaigning at the Buffalo Chip? It's the end of the goddam world.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
-snip-
It's also not really an energy "policy" anyway - it is common sense and proper maintenence to keep tires properly inflated.

You're right, it's a PSA, not a government policy. The government can't check your tires or properley inflate them.

Nobody knows how many underinflated tires there are.

Fern

 

[fskimospy]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: TechAZ

Originally posted by: jpeyton
He was a grade A douchebag during that appearance. Basically par for the course for McCain public appearances these days.

He also got a little jab in about Obama's factually CORRECT stance that properly inflating tired and maintaining vehicles would save this country more in fuel that we would see 20 years from now in offshore drilling.

Proof?

Link

That looks to be based off that piece of crap EIA estimate.

It's based on a bunch of assumptions, among which is:

1. No new leases will be handed out until 2012. Why we have to wait 4 years I have no idea.

2. That there 18 Billion Barrels in new leased area. ANWAR has 16BB alone, the east coast is estimated to have 86.5 BB. Why they used such a low number is also unexplained.

If, as this report does, you start with assumptions that will we drag our feet for 4 years before even starting the auction of leases, and use very low estimates for increased BB of oil, of course you're going to get a report that shows negligable impact.

How about a report where we assumed we start now, and includes a more reasonable assumption about the amount of oil available. Would it be a much different picture? I think so.

Fern

It also assumes X%(or is it all?) drive around on improperly inflated tires. Also, driving habbits/terrain have much more impact on efficiency than does tire pressure. Infact I'd wager that in-town driving shows little/no effect for "underinflation". Obviously highway driving you can have some effect but the numbers thrown around are just absurd and are based on unsubstantiated(as far as I've seen) assumptions. What percentage of cars are underinflated, by how many PSI, miles driven by such people, etc. There are WAY too many variables for Obama(and his lapdog media) to be making such statements. It's also not really an energy "policy" anyway - it is common sense and proper maintenence to keep tires properly inflated.

Obama's statements come in reference to reports by federal agencies on this matter. Are these agencies not good enough for you? If not, why?

Policies frequently involve education efforts. This is true for any number of programs, etc. If they can get even a small fraction of people who currently have this problem to fix it, we would see noticable reductions in oil consumption.

Wait, why am I replying to you? You're CAD.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: TechAZ

Originally posted by: jpeyton
He was a grade A douchebag during that appearance. Basically par for the course for McCain public appearances these days.

He also got a little jab in about Obama's factually CORRECT stance that properly inflating tired and maintaining vehicles would save this country more in fuel that we would see 20 years from now in offshore drilling.

Proof?

Link

:laugh:

You're pulling that crap for "proof", oh that's priceless.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: TechAZ

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: TechAZ

Originally posted by: jpeyton
He was a grade A douchebag during that appearance. Basically par for the course for McCain public appearances these days.

He also got a little jab in about Obama's factually CORRECT stance that properly inflating tired and maintaining vehicles would save this country more in fuel that we would see 20 years from now in offshore drilling.

Proof?

Link

That's ASSUMING that everyone will regularly check their tire pressure. Does he really think that will happen? He knows it won't. So, it's true in a hypothetical world...but even Obama kool-aid drinkers know that's impossible. Or do they?

Then there's the fact that even if in that perfect dream world Obama likes to live in, we would still be importing 70% of oil. That does not solve energy independence, sorry but we're still bowing down to corrupt governments who support terror for their precious oil.

You know what, if we just get rid of vehicles we won't ever need to drill.

Well no kidding, but that doesn't mean Obama was wrong. If people have the power to do something about the problem NOW and choose not to, then we are just shooting ourselves in the foot. Boy, I thought conservatives were all about personal responsibility?

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Craig234

Originally posted by: TechAZ

Originally posted by: jpeyton
He was a grade A douchebag during that appearance. Basically par for the course for McCain public appearances these days.

He also got a little jab in about Obama's factually CORRECT stance that properly inflating tired and maintaining vehicles would save this country more in fuel that we would see 20 years from now in offshore drilling.

Proof?

Link

That looks to be based off that piece of crap EIA estimate.

It's based on a bunch of assumptions, among which is:

1. No new leases will be handed out until 2012. Why we have to wait 4 years I have no idea.

2. That there 18 Billion Barrels in new leased area. ANWAR has 16BB alone, the east coast is estimated to have 86.5 BB. Why they used such a low number is also unexplained.

If, as this report does, you start with assumptions that will we drag our feet for 4 years before even starting the auction of leases, and use very low estimates for increased BB of oil, of course you're going to get a report that shows negligable impact.

How about a report where we assumed we start now, and includes a more reasonable assumption about the amount of oil available. Would it be a much different picture? I think so.

Fern

It also assumes X%(or is it all?) drive around on improperly inflated tires. Also, driving habbits/terrain have much more impact on efficiency than does tire pressure. Infact I'd wager that in-town driving shows little/no effect for "underinflation". Obviously highway driving you can have some effect but the numbers thrown around are just absurd and are based on unsubstantiated(as far as I've seen) assumptions. What percentage of cars are underinflated, by how many PSI, miles driven by such people, etc. There are WAY too many variables for Obama(and his lapdog media) to be making such statements. It's also not really an energy "policy" anyway - it is common sense and proper maintenence to keep tires properly inflated.

Obama's statements come in reference to reports by federal agencies on this matter. Are these agencies not good enough for you? If not, why?

Policies frequently involve education efforts. This is true for any number of programs, etc. If they can get even a small fraction of people who currently have this problem to fix it, we would see noticable reductions in oil consumption.

Wait, why am I replying to you? You're CAD.

Wasn't there a federal agency report about WMD?

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: lupi
Wasn't there a federal agency report about WMD?

Indeed; Bush ignored them.

 

[Fern]

Like in the case of the EIA estimate, I look at their underlying assumptions. If I have reason to doubt the assumption, I doubt the estimate, no matter where it's from.

I hope people do check their tires. I hope people adjust their driving habits - I think the bigger savings are there - like no jack rabbit starts and sudden stops (coast a bit). Racing between stoplights and stop signs is stupid.

But I'll bet most of those who all "hooray" about tire pressure thingy will throw a hissy fit if the government actually does creates a policy of conservation - That means reduction is the speed limit. And I'll bet many who are shocked some of us question the tire pressure numbers are gonna immediately refuse to belive the government's estimate on fuel savings resulting from a 55 mph speed limit.

As I've said before, I'm all for throwing the kitchen sink at it, including conservation efforts.

Fern