MB's Most likely to go 200fsb or above. which proc?

[warzer]

i am suddenly looking for a new system parts as i am giving my to a family member. well i have not had time to do much research as of yet on whats currently going on. i do know that i want to get a system that runs on 200fsb and sync with ram. i see that being the future for the next year. i heard about this barton and that it has more l2 cache and higher default fsb (doesn't more l2cache mean less o/c ability?) also i am not sure i want to o/c so i would like a good default high speed but also the option to push it higher later on or when i get bored. the xp 2100 b looks like a possible canidate but at default rate the barton would be better? side note i don't consider raising fsb and lowing multiplyer o/c if it stays running at its listed speed. also if i get retail what are chances of getting a good chip? whould the retail hs/fan be good enough for some o/c?. the most i can see spending on a hs/fan is about 30$ not sure if thats the range of the recommended hs for o/cing now days. i definatly want some varient of the nf2, i have been reading about lots of revsions out or comming out.

so what do u guys recommend for mb/cpu/ram/hs/fan looking for sub 600 cheaper the better

Warzer

 

[warzer]

hm.. i have one day until i loose one of my boxes. i was thinking abit ver2 nf2 with 2 sticks of 256 corsair 3200, still not sure on proc. what u guys think?

 

[MrEgo]

I'll tell you what I have.. and it works insanely well.

Epox 8RDA+ Motherboard
Athlon XP 2100+ Tbred-B (from newegg.com.. I think they guarantee a revision B)
Single stick 512MB Corsair XMS PC3200 DDR (I heard that single sticks OC better than 2 sticks taking advantage of the DC DDR, but I could be wrong)
SLK-800 Heatsink & Thermaltake Smartfan (from svc.com) (also make sure to get some Arctic Silver 3)

That should definitely keep you under $600. My rig does 200MHz fsb with an 11.5x multiplier @ 1.75 volts = 2300MHz. I can hit 2500MHz @ 1.85 volts, but I don't feel comfortable pushing the voltage up that high. A stock heatsink and fan isn't a good idea for overclocking. Also, there's a couple heatsinks like the SLK-800 that are made by Thermalright that work extremely well too.. I think the 600 is one of them for your price range.

 

[Elcs]

The 2100+ T'Bred B is a good overclocker.
The 1700+ T'Bred B is probably the peoples favourite overclocker at the minute.

MrEgo has some good points. The 8RDA+ is an outstanding board and his choice of heatsinks is good. Practically any ThermalRight heatsink will be good enough but Id be tempted to say get the 800 or 800U to fit 80mm fans. I think the 8RDA+ accepts any of the latest ThermalRight ventures but it would be best to check their website to see if your motherboard can take them. Email them if their website doesnt say anything.

As for the Thermaltake Smart Fan, Id personally have to advise on a YS Tech Adjustable fan.

 

[ferrarifreak93]

Go with the abit nf7-s, just make sure you get rev1.2 or 2. Get 1700+ processor from exaliberpc.com for cheap and thermalright heatsink from svc.com. This combo should get you over 2ghz easy.

 

[MrEgo]

Originally posted by: Elcs
The 2100+ T'Bred B is a good overclocker. The 1700+ T'Bred B is probably the peoples favourite overclocker at the minute.

The 2100 and 1700 is a toss up. Either processor has a good argument as to which one is a better buy. The 2100 has a better chance of overclocking higher, but as everyone knows, the 1700 is ~$50 which is hands down the best buy on the market. So if you want to spend another $35, you have a better chance of squeezing an extra 200MHz outta the 2100+, so if 200MHz is worth $35 to you, then get the 2100.

Practically any ThermalRight heatsink will be good enough but Id be tempted to say get the 800 or 800U to fit 80mm fans.

Yes, you're right ANY thermalright will probably be good enough. My SLK-800 is WAY more than I need. I could have easily went one or two steps down to suit my overclock of the 2100. I would have to say that 80mm fans are very overrated. I have an 80mm, and actually I'd rather give it back and get a 70mm fan. Even though an 80mm fan would push more air, a 70mm fan pushes air much more directly on the heatsink than an 80mm fan would. An 80mm fan overhangs my heatsink by quite a bit, but an 70mm would fit much better and blow air directly on the heatsink.

 

[dnycompbuilder]

heheh to hell with 80mm fans get an slk-900u and put a 92mm tornado on it, thats the best air cooling money can buy but be warned its noisy

 

[Rio Rebel]

I would assume that a CPU rated to run at 333mhz would be more likely to hit 400 (200mhz FSB). Therefore, I'd look at one of the 333mhz cpu's instead of the 2100, if you want a higher chance to be able to run 200mhz FSB.

I run my 2500 barton at 200mhz FSB, and it's smooth as silk.

 

[MrEgo]

Originally posted by: dnycompbuilder
heheh to hell with 80mm fans get an slk-900u and put a 92mm tornado on it, thats the best air cooling money can buy but be warned its noisy

Ha.. well the bigger you go past 70mm, the more the fan will hang over the heatsink. Imagine if you put a 500mm fan on your heatsink.. it would blow ONLY on the motherboard and everything that wasn't the processor because the pivot where the fan blades spin around would totally cover up the heatsink, and no air is pushed underneath the pivot, most of the air is pushed on the outside of the fan. I know that's a bad example, but my point is, the larger the fan past 70mm, the less air will be blown into the heatsink.

I would assume that a CPU rated to run at 333mhz would be more likely to hit 400 (200mhz FSB). Therefore, I'd look at one of the 333mhz cpu's instead of the 2100, if you want a higher chance to be able to run 200mhz FSB.

Usually I think its the motherboard that doesn't like the high fsb's, not the processor. My 2100+ is at 200MHz, but even at 1.9V it will not go 201 or above. I need more voltage to the northbridge.

 

[Shimmishim]

Originally posted by: MrEgo

Originally posted by: dnycompbuilder
heheh to hell with 80mm fans get an slk-900u and put a 92mm tornado on it, thats the best air cooling money can buy but be warned its noisy

Ha.. well the bigger you go past 70mm, the more the fan will hang over the heatsink. Imagine if you put a 500mm fan on your heatsink.. it would blow ONLY on the motherboard and everything that wasn't the processor because the pivot where the fan blades spin around would totally cover up the heatsink, and no air is pushed underneath the pivot, most of the air is pushed on the outside of the fan. I know that's a bad example, but my point is, the larger the fan past 70mm, the less air will be blown into the heatsink.

I would assume that a CPU rated to run at 333mhz would be more likely to hit 400 (200mhz FSB). Therefore, I'd look at one of the 333mhz cpu's instead of the 2100, if you want a higher chance to be able to run 200mhz FSB.

Usually I think its the motherboard that doesn't like the high fsb's, not the processor. My 2100+ is at 200MHz, but even at 1.9V it will not go 201 or above. I need more voltage to the northbridge.

that's when you do the vdd mod but becareful... don'tkill your board like i did

btw... don't get corsair... get some twinmos/winbond ... they both use the same winbond bh-5 chips... just different pcbs... it will do just as well...