Mayor Bloomberg says immigration is ‘single biggest’ way to create jobs

[WhipperSnapper]

You can't train unemployed people to be software engineers with M.S. degrees and 10 years experience. These jobs need to be done, and when they are done and Muhammed al-Punjabi is making $100k a year doing them, that money is going to be spent on houses, cars, whatever and will help Joe the Plumber by creating jobs.

Doesn't this depend on who the unemployed and underemployed people are? Why not train unemployed and underemployed PhD. scientists to do this kind of work? See:

http://www.miller-mccune.com/science/the-real-science-gap-16191/

If the top 10% of the U.S. population has IQs over 110, and if the U.S. labor force consists of 150 million people, then there are potentially 15 million Americans who could do this kind of work. They can't all be earning over $50,000/year working white collar jobs and thus a great many of them would happily retrain and reeducate for these lucrative positions. Heck, I have a hard science background and excellent mathematical problem solving and analytical ability and I would do it if I thought I would be guaranteed a job like that and wouldn't suffer age discrimination.

Can you cite some specific instances of these allegedly desperate businesses offering to pay for people's college education in exchange for guarantees to work for them for a number of years? How is these businesses' desperation manifesting itself? If they are truly desperate then what are they doing to try to remedy the problem? Are they willing to train older computer workers whose skills are a little rusty?

It seems like any business that is losing out on potential market share and profit would do whatever it could to find or train the people necessary. Any idiot can holler and complain to Congress that they need more cheap foreign labor (in the hopes of being able to cherry pick the top 1% of workers in the field worldwide while shunning the masses of American computer science majors who are not in the top 5%), but it takes real desperation to actually try to acquire employees.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

immigration is good. we don't lack raw resources - so they won't take anything that would hurt us already here; they will pay for everything. we lack consumers.

We lack arable land, energy resources, freshwater, and pollution sinks. Have you seen the price of food at the supermarket lately? The reason why meat and milk are so expensive is not because we have an infinite supply of grazing land and land for growing corn. Have you paid any attention to the price of gasoline lately (we don't have enough oil)? Have you read the news articles about water shortages and stress on water supplies in various parts of the country?

Also, the immigrants will not pay for everything because many of them will either be poor and require government assistance (housing, health care, education for the children, any associated criminal justice costs and criminal costs) or they will end up displacing or driving down wages for other Americans from their job (in which case the government will end up spending money on housing, health care, education, and associated criminal justice and criminal costs for unemployed and low-paid Americans).

 

[Zedtom]

The infusion of first generation "best brains" from around the world is a brilliant addition to America's economic strength, but they too will learn that the corporate mentality is entrenched in twentieth century methodology.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

absolutely you can... we have thousands of software engineers with degrees and no experience who cant get hired becasue they dont have 10 years experience... hire them and train them and they will bloom into the same people you want to immigrate into the country.
how is one supposed to get 10 years experience if they cant get hired anywhere?

You've got to be kidding...according to Farang these companies are absolutely desperate! Why would they not want to hire these Americans software engineers and computer science majors?

Could it be...could it be because they only want to cherry pick the top 1% of all computer programmers in the entire world?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Min 2-3 years experience for entry-level. Ya....

From what I can tell, there's no such thing as "entry-level" white collar work in this country any longer. Now going to college is no longer sufficient to be qualified for the lowest level white collar work and we need new college programs to give people the equivalence of two years of experience in very specific types of undertakings.

As a nation, we've gone from high school graduates being able to learn on the job, then to requiring a Bachelors degree, and now college education isn't enough, real-world experience in the field performing the specific job function in addition to the college degree is required.

 

[xj0hnx]

From what I can tell, there's no such thing as "entry-level" white collar work in this country any longer. Now going to college is no longer sufficient to be qualified for the lowest level white collar work and we need new college programs to give people the equivalence of two years of experience in very specific types of undertakings.

As a nation, we've gone from high school graduates being able to learn on the job, then to requiring a Bachelors degree, and now college education isn't enough, real-world experience in the field performing the specific job function in addition to the college degree is required.

Very true, more and more people are expected to hit the ground running, learning on the job is becoming more, and more rare.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

You can't train unemployed people to be software engineers with M.S. degrees and 10 years experience.

The problem is that no company wants to train employees anymore. They think they can just hire people off the street who meet inflated, ridiculous requirements for a job. An MS degree isn't going to make you a better programmer in all likelihood, but experience will. How do you get this experience if no one will hire you?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

From what I can tell, there's no such thing as "entry-level" white collar work in this country any longer.

I'd have to agree with this assessment. What they call "entry level" on job sites often requires a few years of experience in very specific areas and oftentimes, a Master's degree of some sort. It is a joke -- most of these jobs do NOT require an MS degree.