Mayor Bloomberg says immigration is ‘single biggest’ way to create jobs

[Svnla]

Well to do and/or well educated LEGAL immigration is good. Dirt poor, not educated, and ILLEGAL immigration is not good.

The US needs more Andy Groove (Intel), Sergey Brin (Google), Jerry Yang (Yahoo) and such, not more peasants.

Sources = http://www.smartmoney.com/invest/stocks/10-companies-founded-by-immigrants/

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/itfacts/t...igrants-intel-solectron-sanmina-sci-sun/12064

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<<---LEGAL immigrant.

 

[sao123]

We accommodate specialists with H1b visas, but there aren't enough of them and it is a cumbersome system. Anyone who qualifies for an H1b visa would be a great addition to this country as a citizen.

You can't train unemployed people to be software engineers with M.S. degrees and 10 years experience. These jobs need to be done, and when they are done and Muhammed al-Punjabi is making $100k a year doing them, that money is going to be spent on houses, cars, whatever and will help Joe the Plumber by creating jobs.

I have to laugh at myself for promoting a sort of trickle down economics, but it is true. The lack of intellectual capital means companies are putting projects on hold and sitting on cash that they are trying to spend growing their business. The immigrant isn't the problem, the immigrant is the fuel that will allow our economic engine to run.

absolutely you can... we have thousands of software engineers with degrees and no experience who cant get hired becasue they dont have 10 years experience... hire them and train them and they will bloom into the same people you want to immigrate into the country.
how is one supposed to get 10 years experience if they cant get hired anywhere?

 

[Imp]

absolutely you can... we have thousands of software engineers with degrees and no experience who cant get hired becasue they dont have 10 years experience... hire them and train them and they will bloom into the same people you want to immigrate into the country.
how is one supposed to get 10 years experience if they cant get hired anywhere?

Magic...

Min 2-3 years experience for entry-level. Ya....

 

[Macamus Prime]

AND - he is rich.

Good on you Mike. And, he likes to be called Mike. He asked everyone to call him Mike when he led his own company.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Let's bring in more people to do the jobs we don't have to give them! The Forbes article yllus posted points out the problem. We do not have the means to turn ideas into material goods. Bringing in more people isn't going to make solar panels or the next great anything. Obama wants to stimulate the economy with alternative energy? He can't. We haven't the means anymore. Well he can, but it's China he'll help.

 

[piasabird]

How does immigration create jobs?
Cops to arrest criminals
More work for Hospital Emergency Rooms
Translators
Social Workers
Increased prison populations
They take your job and you get fired

 

[Macamus Prime]

Hey, remember what happened in Georgia when they scared all the immigrants away?

http://www.newsmax.com/US/Georgia-Immigration/2011/06/23/id/401166

 

[the DRIZZLE]

Hey, remember what happened in Georgia when they scared all the immigrants away?

http://www.newsmax.com/US/Georgia-Immigration/2011/06/23/id/401166

There is a labor shortage at $5/hour. There's no labor shortage at $15/hour.

 

[metalfacepc]

I will agree that with immigration, we will see job creation. I disagree when Bloomberg says its the "single biggest" way. Lets talk about taxes, especially on larger businesses and corporations who have all the incentive in the world to set up shop in another country, move operations there, and pay much lower taxes there. All those jobs, which should be American jobs, lost to the rest of the world.

 

[BlahBlahYouToo]

IIRC, New York has people leaving in droves.

it was mostly black people migrating to the south.
and lots of mexicans returning home as well, due to the economy.

 

[Jaskalas]

Mayor Bloomberg says immigration is ‘single biggest’ way to create jobs

So he supports an illegal invasion of piss poor peasants who barely read their own language, and thinks them leeching welfare and services off us will create jobs. Hey, if we have to spend a fortune on their sorry asses that counts as government spending / stimulus right?

We know from Obama that deficit spending creates jobs, so Bloomerg has a great idea!

Wait, what? He was talking about rich immigrants? It all makes sense now, Democrats believe in trickle down economics! Only works if immigrants do it though.

 

[epidemis]

immigration is good. we don't lack raw resources - so they won't take anything that would hurt us already here; they will pay for everything. we lack consumers.

You have a huge trade deficit and import 5 million barrel of oil a day *roll eyes*. Don't get me wrong though, the us have had and still has substantial natural resources.

@Earl
That's precisely because the overseas immigration consist of higher skilled immigrants and people with resources! Especially entrepreneurs from Europe who wants to escape high taxes and low social mobility.

 

[momeNt]

Don't we have enough dunkin donuts?

 

[Throckmorton]

I will agree that with immigration, we will see job creation. I disagree when Bloomberg says its the "single biggest" way. Lets talk about taxes, especially on larger businesses and corporations who have all the incentive in the world to set up shop in another country, move operations there, and pay much lower taxes there. All those jobs, which should be American jobs, lost to the rest of the world.

I agree. Tax imports. The free trade experiment was a massive failure.

 

[Macamus Prime]

There is a labor shortage at $5/hour. There's no labor shortage at $15/hour.

There are plenty of Americans who want to work $15/hour jobs, but the these jobs have been outsourced.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_05/b3969401.htm

Americans don't want to work manual labor jobs, at sub-min wage rates. And, they would prefer to work your $15/hour job as well. However, American business owners and corporationalists tap the illegal immigrant worker resources 1st, then look to the outsource model.

So, the wealth owners, do not want to pay more than $10,000 a year (per worker) for breaking their backs. And, they do not want to pay more than $15,000-$17,000 a year (per worker) for running reports, analysis, tracking data, posting data, inputing data, etc. etc.

This nation's "job creators" have begun hacking above the knee.

 

[Macamus Prime]

So he supports an illegal invasion of piss poor peasants,....

That's so un-American: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_Colossus

Amirite?!?!?!!shift+1!!!

 

[metalfacepc]

I agree. Tax imports. The free trade experiment was a massive failure.

Well, yes taxing the trade market is part of it, but I am referring to government imposed taxes on the corporations based on their size and scale. Barring accounting tricks these companies are using, why pay tax rates around 35% in America (I'm pretty sure the marginal corporate tax rate in America is 35%) when you can pay less than 15% in Ireland? The only incentive here is to move operations abroad, open jobs up abroad, and take them away from Americans.

 

[1prophet]

That's right 2 to 3 immigrants can replace that overpaid American for the same pay, and no need to hire any currently unemployed person because they would want too much, win win for the corporations.

How not to hire an American

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCbFEgFajGU

 

[crownjules]

They actually did a piece on this on NPR this morning. While it sounds bad, what they're referring to our foreign entrepreneurs that are here in the US on working visas. These people that want to start their own companies can not because your working visa needs to be sponsored by a company. If you're starting up your own company you can't sponsor yourself or something. I'm not keen on the exact details, but the gist is that it's not currently possible. So these people are forced to leave the US and go to other countries to begin their companies. In the NPR piece, they mentioned Chile had about 200 such companies that would have started up in the US had the entrepreneur been able to secure a visa.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Yea, there's a shortage of software workers because at some point most companies decided they wouldn't have any entry level positions ever not realizing that eventually they'd run out of experienced people to hire since no new ones would be created.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Bloomberg is a billionaire, and he is a smart man.

If millionaires and billionaires immigrants come here, buy houses, make businesses that'll create jobs.

If highly educated smart immigrants come here, invent new devices, create new markets that'll open up more jobs.

Immigration is not just Mexico to America.

Bloomberg is completely out-of-touch with reality. There must be about 5 billion people worldwide whose standard of living is far below that of your average American. Thus, about 5 billion people would want to come here if we opened the floodgates.

When you have a nation with tens of millions of poor people--the solution is not to import more poor people even if 0.0001% of those people happen to be unique, irreplaceable innovators.

In all likelihood, Bloomberg's plan would result in further increased unemployment and underemployment amongst the lower classes and at lower wages with a dramatic increase in the amount of money state governments would need to spend on social welfare programs and education.

The other huge problem is population explosion. The amount of land and resources our nation has is limited. The carrying capacity of that land and the ability of that land to absorb pollution is limited. Also, as the population increases the amount of resources-per-capita decreases, which means that the prices of land, food, clean water, clean air, lumber, and just about any other natural resource you can think of must increase.

The following video is a must-watch for anyone concerned about this issue:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5871651411393887069#

 

[WhipperSnapper]

propaganda to the max. eat it up liberals

You make it sound as though the Republicans don't support the exact same policy of mass immigration. They do. Half of the McCain-Kennedy bill was sponsored by an influential Republican. Bush advocated amnesty for illegals.

The Republicans support mass immigration because it benefits the rich. It helps to further transform our nation (and to accelerate that transformation) into a third world country where wages will be low and the rich will be even richer since they won't have to pay the lower classes as much to produce goods and services.

 

[momeNt]

Bloomberg is only citing that most of the SBA loans go to immigrants because they are willing to take the risks inherent in starting a small business and also put in the work to run the business, go look at 7/11 and dunkin donuts, liquor stores, etc, mostly immigrant owned.

Go long on donuts, coffee, and booze and watch our unemployment drop!

 

[WhipperSnapper]

He's right. He's not talking about Tito the dishwasher, he's talking about Archana the software developer. There is a massive shortage of skilled workers in computer software, for example, that is choking productivity.

It doesn't do our economy any good to have a bunch of vacant job openings paying $100k+/year. It means that money is not being paid to anyone and not being spent by anyone. It also means the project that warranted the requisition isn't being worked on, and isn't making money for the company. It then means the company sees less profit and must adjust its budget accordingly, making cuts like not hiring Joe the Plumber until next quarter.

This claim defies credibility. It's propaganda spread by the businesses to encourage Congress to increase the number of H-1B and L-1 visa positions. Oftentimes the reason businesses perceive a "shortage" is because they only want to hire the top 2&#37; or 5% of people who are qualified and able to do the work and who aren't above a certain age (age discrimination).

If, in reality, we did have a shortage of computer science majors, then the solution would be to train unemployed Americans and college students to work in that field. Businesses could encourage this by advertising and offering college tuition waivers or by entering into contracts with talented high school graduates and other prospects to sponsor their education in exchange for an agreement to work for them for a number of years.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

right, and we educate thousands of skilled workers in our education system each year, only to send them back to their native country.

We're training our own competitors, which is good for de facto for-profit universities, but bad for American competitiveness. (Brilliant!) It's amazing just how much retarded leadership our nation has suffered.