Maybe the reason blacks act out negatively is because they were FORCED to come here.

[tec699]

I was just reading this thread.

Think about it guys. No other culture was forced to come to America. I had a talk with a black buddy a few weeks ago and he brought this up. Blacks were put into ships like sardines. A great many of them died in those ships and if they were lucky enough to make it here they were all forced into slavery. They had ZERO rights.

No other culture was forced here like they were. You could compare the American Indians as well. The Native Americans were forced out of their homelands and into those god awful reservations. Presently they have the highest rate of alcoholism and diabetes in this country. The unemployment rate is high as well.

I'm not trying to make excuses for why someone would steal and murder but there has to be some correlation between the two.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: tec699
Think about it guys. No other culture was forced to come to America. I had a talk with a black buddy a few weeks ago and he brought this up. Blacks were put into ships like sardines. A great many of them died in those ships and if they were lucky enough to make it here they were all forced into slavery. They had ZERO rights.

No other culture was forced here like they were. You could compare the American Indians as well. The Native Americans were forced out of their homelands and into those god awful reservations. Presently they have the highest rate of alcoholism and diabetes in this country. The unemployment rate is high as well.

I'm not trying to make excuses for why someone would steal and murder but there has to be some correlation between the two.

Big freakin' deal. There is no black person currently alive who was brought over here against his/her will as a slave, and for living blacks now, it is ultimately irrelevant why there parents came. If my ancestors came here willingly vs. being dragged here in chains, it does not change the fact that *I* personally wasn't ever given the option of being born here or back in the 'old country'. There isn't an ethnic group around which hasn't been oppressed at one point in time or another, but most don't wallow in the victim role in perpetuity; they move on and make better lives for themselves. The historic oppression of the Jews hasn't seemed to affect that group's ability to achieve economic success.

 

[Skyclad1uhm1]

The current generations weren't, their forefathers were. Try asking that friend whether he'd like to move back to Sudan, Ethiopia, Nigeria, Congo or another African country. Where he'd prefer to be: In the US or in Africa.

The current generations do not have any ties with it. Racism and continuous inequality are more likely to be the source. They come from poorer parts of the country because they were not seen as equals when slavery was abolished, and still aren't viewed as equals now by a lot of people. If you grow up in a rich home in a rich neighbourhood your problems will consist of your friend having a later model porsche. If you grow up in a ghetto your problems will consist of having to work at the age of 12 as your daddy got killed in a gangfight, and therefor not being able to go to school.
And even those that break free from it and go to college will encounter discrimination their whole life, as people will rather hire someone 'who is likely to have similar interests' than someone from a different background.

 

[KidViciou$]

this isn't just oppression, this is sterilization of an identity, and reprogramming into a concept of no self-worth! to break the cycle, you need to teach them how, not just throw some money in their direction and say "git"

 

[compuwiz1]

BS! :| People need to get a grip and quit using excuses, based on something that happened to a relative over 100 years ago! I have relatives who had some very adverse conditions when they first immigrated too, but they did not use their situations to create excuses for generations to come, they went to work, is what they did. That's a very simple concept that some cannot grasp.

 

[KidViciou$]

this is NOT just a relative, it's an ENTIRE RACE OF PEOPLE!!!!

and it's not something like judism where it's not that easy to tell if someone is a jew. you KNOW when someone is black just by looking at them

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
this is NOT just a relative, it's an ENTIRE RACE OF PEOPLE!!!!

and it's not something like judism where it's not that easy to tell if someone is a jew. you KNOW when someone is black just by looking at them

Don't bother - 'it was 100 years ago get over it' is the standard argument against all systemic inequalities. NM that it was within the lifetime of a good number of blacks that they got the right to vote, the right to go to real schools, to sit where they like on the bus... no, it's all ancient history, and couldn't possibly have any bearing on today.

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
this is NOT just a relative, it's an ENTIRE RACE OF PEOPLE!!!!

and it's not something like judism where it's not that easy to tell if someone is a jew. you KNOW when someone is black just by looking at them

Don't bother - 'it was 100 years ago get over it' is the standard argument against all systemic inequalities. NM that it was within the lifetime of a good number of blacks that they got the right to vote, the right to go to real schools, to sit where they like on the bus... no, it's all ancient history, and couldn't possibly have any bearing on today.

that's what's so god damn mind boggling, that blacks are still alive today that lived through jim crow, but bastards like these guys are going to keep denying any injustices until another 100 years pass :|

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
BS! :| People need to get a grip and quit using excuses, based on something that happened to a relative over 100 years ago! I have relatives who had some very adverse conditions when they first immigrated too, but they did not use their situations to create excuses for generations to come, they went to work, is what they did. That's a very simple concept that some cannot grasp.

:thumbsup:

The current generations are so far removed from this...

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
BS! :| People need to get a grip and quit using excuses, based on something that happened to a relative over 100 years ago! I have relatives who had some very adverse conditions when they first immigrated too, but they did not use their situations to create excuses for generations to come, they went to work, is what they did. That's a very simple concept that some cannot grasp.

:thumbsup:

The current generations are so far removed from this...

the current generations feel the effects of it because the family unit is broken! why the hell do you think they join up with gangs??? BECAUSE THEY WANT SOMETHING TO BELONG TO


you people are so god damned isolated that it's sickening that you don't even realize any of societies ills :disgust:

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
the current generations feel the effects of it because the family unit is broken! why the hell do you think they join up with gangs??? BECAUSE THEY WANT SOMETHING TO BELONG TO

Then they need to find a church and something like the Boys and Girls club.

I'm sick and tired of them using the excuse that "300 years ago my great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great granddaddy was forced in to slavery". Like that somehow directly affects them and is responsible for all their sins.

 

[maluckey]

Irish Potato Famine ring a bell? Cajun deportation? Holocaust? Cuban refugees, Japanese Internment/concentration camp Prisoners and Chinese Railroad laborers were abused as well. American indians were victimized, and laws were enacted against them after slavery was abolished.

It is racist to hold one down so that another may prosper. ALL must be accountable to themselves first. To say that someone born to a free soceity is a "victim" is just wrong.

 

[3chordcharlie]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: compuwiz1
BS! :| People need to get a grip and quit using excuses, based on something that happened to a relative over 100 years ago! I have relatives who had some very adverse conditions when they first immigrated too, but they did not use their situations to create excuses for generations to come, they went to work, is what they did. That's a very simple concept that some cannot grasp.

:thumbsup:

The current generations are so far removed from this...

No, they aren't. And you know they aren't, but it's inconvenient for you to admit this so you don't. Talking about the legacy of slavery doesn't mean talking about 300 years ago.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: tec699
No other culture was forced to come to America.

Untrue.

 

[KidViciou$]

what's an acadian???

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
what's an acadian???

ahem...

you people are so god damned isolated that it's sickening that you don't even realize any of societies ills :disgust:

 

[KidViciou$]

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
what's an acadian???

ahem...

you people are so god damned isolated that it's sickening that you don't even realize any of societies ills :disgust:

yes, what does that have to do with what i asked? i have never heard of the acadians or what happenned ot them. did you hear me spout out bile like "big deal, it happenned a long time ago" or what people like you would reply with "who cares, there are so few of them"

 

[Sixtyfour]

Blacks that are born today in the US should not complain too much.
Their ancesters suffered the slavery, but todays black people in the US should consider themselves lucky.

But if they have something to complain, they can always go back to africa, there is no evil white man.

 

[loup garou]

Originally posted by: KidViciou$

Originally posted by: loup garou

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
what's an acadian???

ahem...

you people are so god damned isolated that it's sickening that you don't even realize any of societies ills :disgust:

yes, what does that have to do with what i asked? i have never heard of the acadians or what happenned ot them. did you hear me spout out bile like "big deal, it happenned a long time ago" or what people like you would reply with "who cares, there are so few of them"

Sorry, it was just to easy to turn that quote back around on you. It was in jest. Anyways, I have no issue with any of your points in this thread, merely with the erroneous OP.
PS, Please don't refer to me as "people like you" as I don't believe I've posted enough in this thread for you to form an opinion on my beliefs.
PPS, My link has a very concise sidebar on who the Acadians were. I think you can google up enough other info if you're interested.

Edit -- wow, you're Canadian, too. I find it pretty sad that you don't even know the very least about some of your (former) countrymen.

 

[MommysLittleMonster]

Originally posted by: tec699
I was just reading this thread.

Think about it guys. No other culture was forced to come to America. I had a talk with a black buddy a few weeks ago and he brought this up. Blacks were put into ships like sardines. A great many of them died in those ships and if they were lucky enough to make it here they were all forced into slavery. They had ZERO rights.

No other culture was forced here like they were. You could compare the American Indians as well. The Native Americans were forced out of their homelands and into those god awful reservations. Presently they have the highest rate of alcoholism and diabetes in this country. The unemployment rate is high as well.

I'm not trying to make excuses for why someone would steal and murder but there has to be some correlation between the two.

Thats the most ridiculous thing I've heard.

 

[Moonbeam]

It's not fair Mommy that Black people get to make excuses. You would never forgive me. You made me feel like a worthless piece of dirt. They should have to feel that too. Why is everything so unfair, Mommy? Look at me, I'm so good. It's just not fair and I am going to hate. Yes that's it, I will be hard and hate. Black people are worse than me. They just have to be. Yes now I feel better, I got n!ggers to hate. Oh man, I feel great.

 

[EagleKeeper]

Originally posted by: Sixtyfour
Blacks that are born today in the US should not complain too much.
Their ancesters suffered the slavery, but todays black people in the US should consider themselves lucky.

But if they have something to complain, they can always go back to africa, there is no evil white man.

Ignoring the fact that blacks in Africa are kicking out the whites. Just genocide among the blacks.

Also, the fact that it was tribal wars by the blacks in the first place that sold their ancestors (ie captured losers) into slavery.

Slavery existed in Africa and other continents well before the importing of slaves into the US

 

[Starbuck1975]

Let us not forget that this culture of entitlement and victim mentality is one of the dynamics that has prevented many black communities from rising above the discrimination that continues to exist in America.

Manifesting frustration over social conditions, violently or otherwise, only feeds the stereotypes that perpetuate discrimination towards blacks in this country.

Similarly, playing the racial card is a self-imposed form of seperate but equal.

Do blacks in America have grievances...absolutely...but many of the problems today with poor black communities exist in their own neighborhoods, quite independent of anything imposed upon them by "white America."

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: 3chordcharlie

Originally posted by: KidViciou$
this is NOT just a relative, it's an ENTIRE RACE OF PEOPLE!!!!

and it's not something like judism where it's not that easy to tell if someone is a jew. you KNOW when someone is black just by looking at them

Don't bother - 'it was 100 years ago get over it' is the standard argument against all systemic inequalities. NM that it was within the lifetime of a good number of blacks that they got the right to vote, the right to go to real schools, to sit where they like on the bus... no, it's all ancient history, and couldn't possibly have any bearing on today.

It's true that blacks were mistreated in the past, but this culture of playing the race card over and over is getting old. The truth of the matter is that the black community has some deep rooted cultural problems. When their children have no academic goals and look up to gangster/rappers like 50 cent, that isn't because of inequalities that happened in the past. That is because of bad parenting in the present.

Bill Cosby hit the nail on the head during his speech not too long ago.

 

[EatSpam]

Originally posted by: tec699
I was just reading this thread.

Think about it guys. No other culture was forced to come to America. I had a talk with a black buddy a few weeks ago and he brought this up. Blacks were put into ships like sardines. A great many of them died in those ships and if they were lucky enough to make it here they were all forced into slavery. They had ZERO rights.

No person of African descent alive today was on those slave ships, nor were their gread-gread-grandparents. If a black person would want to go back to Africa, there's nothing stopping them. If a black person wants to succeed in America, there's a multitude of programs designed to help them succeed. Its time to stop blaming Whitey for every little thing.