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Maybe coronavirus will finally make us get serious about illegal immigration

glenn1

glenn1

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Perhaps once the left sees illegal immigrants as the potential carriers of pestilence into their cities instead of ripe targets of wage exploitation we'll see a turn on views on this? Will the nativist right continue to deny reality and fight against any increase of legal immigration quotas and simply hope for the best and hope that illegals get tired of making the trip? Hard to enjoy that produce picked from the fields by the illegals you happily overlook, or risk your kids' health to the Guatemalan nanny you pay under the table. Maybe just maybe we can admit there's a point to demanding immigration by via legal channels, insisting all immigrants are vetted for health, ideology, and other concerns, mandating those already here to report to be screened and pay heavy monetary fines, and deporting the rest who don't comply? Nah that's too mean, we can't expect them to obey the laws or anything (talking about both the illegal immigrants and their enablers who excuse away their acts).
 
glenn1 said:
Perhaps once the left sees illegal immigrants as the potential carriers of pestilence into their cities instead of ripe targets of wage exploitation we'll see a turn on views on this? Will the nativist right continue to deny reality and fight against any increase of legal immigration quotas and simply hope for the best and hope that illegals get tired of making the trip? Hard to enjoy that produce picked from the fields by the illegals you happily overlook, or risk your kids' health to the Guatemalan nanny you pay under the table. Maybe just maybe we can admit there's a point to demanding immigration by via legal channels, insisting all immigrants are vetted for health, ideology, and other concerns, mandating those already here to report to be screened and pay heavy monetary fines, and deporting the rest who don't comply? Nah that's too mean, we can't expect them to obey the laws or anything (talking about both the illegal immigrants and their enablers who excuse away their acts).
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Take your xenophobic shit somewhere else, please.
 
MomentsofSanity said:
Really?

Maybe it will make you get serious about health care. Sick leave. So many other things that are far more beneficial for a strong society.

Immigration? Jesus Christ get the fuck out of your bubble.
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Yeah, the pretty obvious answer here is to get serious about public health. If you look at this and say 'man this means we need to act on immigration' you have pretty badly missed the actual problem.
 
Anecdotally it seems like the fat old cruise ship patrons are bringing more disease into the country that illegals here picking your lettuce. I don't read about any of us here flocking to pick turnips for 12 hours a day in the hot sun to help out 'merica.
 
glenn1 said:
Perhaps once the left sees illegal immigrants as the potential carriers of pestilence into their cities instead of ripe targets of wage exploitation we'll see a turn on views on this? Will the nativist right continue to deny reality and fight against any increase of legal immigration quotas and simply hope for the best and hope that illegals get tired of making the trip? Hard to enjoy that produce picked from the fields by the illegals you happily overlook, or risk your kids' health to the Guatemalan nanny you pay under the table. Maybe just maybe we can admit there's a point to demanding immigration by via legal channels, insisting all immigrants are vetted for health, ideology, and other concerns, mandating those already here to report to be screened and pay heavy monetary fines, and deporting the rest who don't comply? Nah that's too mean, we can't expect them to obey the laws or anything (talking about both the illegal immigrants and their enablers who excuse away their acts).
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Did it dawn on you the spread of COVID-19 was done in the context of LEGAL travel?
 
Borders closed. Get fucked international business, tourism into the US, and escaping the US for sun in the Caribbean.
 
[DHT]Osiris said:
Take your xenophobic shit somewhere else, please.
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I support immigration but of the legal variety. Notice how in this thread and every other thread I say the answer to illegal immigration is to raise the legal immigration quota to roughly equal demand. If you have an epidemic of motorists speeding while not impacting safety adversely then the proper approach is to raise speed limits and not simply stop enforcing any speeding laws. The entire point is to stop purposely creating the circumstances to encourage lawbreaking. We want to encourage legal immigration and come down harshly on illegal immigration thereafter, and if you raise the quotas there should be very little incentive to illegally immigrate.
 
glenn1 said:
Perhaps once the left sees illegal immigrants as the potential carriers of pestilence into their cities instead of ripe targets of wage exploitation we'll see a turn on views on this? Will the nativist right continue to deny reality and fight against any increase of legal immigration quotas and simply hope for the best and hope that illegals get tired of making the trip? Hard to enjoy that produce picked from the fields by the illegals you happily overlook, or risk your kids' health to the Guatemalan nanny you pay under the table. Maybe just maybe we can admit there's a point to demanding immigration by via legal channels, insisting all immigrants are vetted for health, ideology, and other concerns, mandating those already here to report to be screened and pay heavy monetary fines, and deporting the rest who don't comply? Nah that's too mean, we can't expect them to obey the laws or anything (talking about both the illegal immigrants and their enablers who excuse away their acts).
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Really? You think THIS will finally do it when it hasn't mattered before?

 
glenn1 said:
I support immigration but of the legal variety. Notice how in this thread and every other thread I say the answer to illegal immigration is to raise the legal immigration quota to roughly equal demand. If you have an epidemic of motorists speeding while not impacting safety adversely then the proper approach is to raise speed limits and not simply stop enforcing any speeding laws. The entire point is to stop purposely creating the circumstances to encourage lawbreaking. We want to encourage legal immigration and come down harshly on illegal immigration thereafter, and if you raise the quotas there should be very little incentive to illegally immigrate.
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You'd get your point across better if you didn't start threads that conjure the image of plague-ridden mexican zombies groaning their way to the border to take your social security money, or some dumb shit. In addition to that, legal/illegal immigration has absolutely no bearing on the current state of affairs, which means that you made this thread on the back of a crisis to push your agenda. You aren't arguing from a place of good faith.
 
Jhhnn said:
The irony is that we're probably deporting/exporting coronavirus to Central America.
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Trump promised we'd be exporting like you've never seen before.

Sometime next week I expect countries to start disallowing US citizens entry due to the rapidly expanding outbreak that is uncontrolled.
 
glenn1 said:
I support immigration but of the legal variety. Notice how in this thread and every other thread I say the answer to illegal immigration is to raise the legal immigration quota to roughly equal demand. If you have an epidemic of motorists speeding while not impacting safety adversely then the proper approach is to raise speed limits and not simply stop enforcing any speeding laws. The entire point is to stop purposely creating the circumstances to encourage lawbreaking. We want to encourage legal immigration and come down harshly on illegal immigration thereafter, and if you raise the quotas there should be very little incentive to illegally immigrate.
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It's good to encourage legal immigration, but people here are right that we shouldn't scapegoat illegal immigrants. The countries they come from have very low infection rates, and likely zero among the people who are migrating (since they're less likely to have come in contact with people from other countries before they reach the US). Fix health care in the US first -- and yes, that means voting exclusively Democrat.
 
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glenn1 said:
Perhaps once the left sees illegal immigrants as the potential carriers of pestilence into their cities instead of ripe targets of wage exploitation we'll see a turn on views on this? Will the nativist right continue to deny reality and fight against any increase of legal immigration quotas and simply hope for the best and hope that illegals get tired of making the trip? Hard to enjoy that produce picked from the fields by the illegals you happily overlook, or risk your kids' health to the Guatemalan nanny you pay under the table. Maybe just maybe we can admit there's a point to demanding immigration by via legal channels, insisting all immigrants are vetted for health, ideology, and other concerns, mandating those already here to report to be screened and pay heavy monetary fines, and deporting the rest who don't comply? Nah that's too mean, we can't expect them to obey the laws or anything (talking about both the illegal immigrants and their enablers who excuse away their acts).
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Hahaha .... cant even pin this one on Muslims... will not stop you guys from trying though.
 
Or maybe get us serious about preventing illnesses like:
Trust experts, educated real experts
Address healthcare so an illness or test doesn’t need bankrupt you or cause you to miss a mortgage payment
Have a general plan to follow and not freestyle stuff
Fund programs for emergency supplies and upgrade hospitals
Work together without needing to score meaningless political points
 
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