Maybe a President Giuliani is exactly what the U.S. needs?

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Now here is a sexist absurdity from Moonbeam---------We've had our bellies full of male egomaniacs. It's time for a woman anyway.

How about a normal person for a refreshing change? Someone who is not an egomaniac. But lately, the only people who run for President are egomaniacs. Male or female, its not a dimes worth of difference. At least we don't yet compare cock size to tit size. But that is where we are heading.

Right now America is deeply divided and we need someone who can bring us together. Some of the candidates are in government and others hold no posts. But we see all the current rascals promising the moon and the sky with none, through sheer force of intellect, able to bring us together. They are too busy campaigning to bother with silly things like demonstrating leadership on the pressing issue of the day.

You mean somebody who has the maturity not toact like a child and call people sexist and absurd?

It seems to me that he is saying he doesn't care what the sex is- he wants someone who puts the country before his own interests. I do not disagree with this notion. Hillary and Giuliani will most likely put their own interests first. We need someone who actually cares about the country. Both their track records suggest otherwise. both would be a different form of bush.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
You actually were, we were looking up to the US before you went completely nuts and attacked Iraq without any reason, using lies and misconceptions to get your way and when that failed to convince the world community that is not as gullible as the US congress apparently is.

You mean that "world community" that had their hands in the cookie jar? :roll:

(You know, the ones with the back-room oil deals, weapons exchanges, et al.?)

AFAIK the US had more hands in the cookie jar than all other nations combined, but you will of course disregard that.

Most of the people in the world didn't know shit about it anyway and looked up to the US before you went completely nuts. The support after 9/11 and in Afghanistan has been pissed away by an incompetent insult of a leader. I am not kidding when i say that Bin Ladin has NEVER done anywhere near as much harm to the US as GWB has, you have not even got the support of the UK anymore and that took a lot to piss away.

I'm just curious though, don't you see that or are do you see that and still excuse him?

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
AFAIK the US had more hands in the cookie jar than all other nations combined, but you will of course disregard that.

Naturally, you will Blame America First, as you do each and every time. :roll:

Most of the people in the world didn't know shit about it anyway and looked up to the US before you went completely nuts. The support after 9/11 and in Afghanistan has been pissed away by an incompetent insult of a leader. I am not kidding when i say that Bin Ladin has NEVER done anywhere near as much harm to the US as GWB has, you have not even got the support of the UK anymore and that took a lot to piss away.

You're entitled to your opinion. I disagree, vehemently.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Sure you're not Giulianis biggest fan, you're the biggest fan of Bush, i bet if he stated that the country is in an emergency and postponed the elections 10 years you'd be defending him over it.

Sure thing. :roll:

I don't know much about Giuliani but if what Hayabusa Rider says is true, then he's not really fit to run for president or even mayor, i'd take Hayas judgement over yours any day of the week since you are apparently completely insane.

Here's an idea...don't comment until you do know something about what (or who) you are commenting on. What a novel idea!

Are you saying that if Bush declared that the elections would be postponed indefinently you'd not support him? If you say that you wouldn't then all i can conclude is that you are lying, because you would, of that i am absolutely sure.

I'm commenting on what Haya said, just like you are commenting based upon what others have said, do you think that is wrong?

I don't have the time to spend to look up everything but i take some peoples words for truth because they have taken their time to investigate and are truthful people, i'd trust Haya to watch my back so if he says something, i'm going to believe it.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Are you saying that if Bush declared that the elections would be postponed indefinently you'd not support him? If you say that you wouldn't then all i can conclude is that you are lying, because you would, of that i am absolutely sure.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

I'm commenting on what Haya said, just like you are commenting based upon what others have said, do you think that is wrong?

I'd suggest choosing a more reliable shadow.

I don't have the time to spend to look up everything but i take some peoples words for truth because they have taken their time to investigate and are truthful people, i'd trust Haya to watch my back so if he says something, i'm going to believe it.

I prefer to do my own research and investigation, rather than taking anyone's word for it. This board is so full of people with agendas and axes to grind...

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
AFAIK the US had more hands in the cookie jar than all other nations combined, but you will of course disregard that.

Naturally, you will Blame America First, as you do each and every time. :roll:

Most of the people in the world didn't know shit about it anyway and looked up to the US before you went completely nuts. The support after 9/11 and in Afghanistan has been pissed away by an incompetent insult of a leader. I am not kidding when i say that Bin Ladin has NEVER done anywhere near as much harm to the US as GWB has, you have not even got the support of the UK anymore and that took a lot to piss away.

You're entitled to your opinion. I disagree, vehemently.

You brought it up, i'm saying that the US did no better than any other country, that doesn't mean i blame ONLY the US for doing it, it just means that using that as an excuse is pretty daft, but then again, you ARE pretty daft so it should be expected.

You disagree with the truth? Why does this not surprise me at all?

Where are your allies? Not even the former eastern European states support you anymore after all the cash you plowed into it to muster support, their leaders are changing and the people never supported you in the first place, that's the bitch about democracy, you can't just pay off the leaders and expect the people to blindly follow them, see, they are not like you.

 

[eits]

yup... giuliani is just what this country needs... to turn it into a bigger shitstorm.

 

[JohnOfSheffield]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Are you saying that if Bush declared that the elections would be postponed indefinently you'd not support him? If you say that you wouldn't then all i can conclude is that you are lying, because you would, of that i am absolutely sure.

That's exactly what I'm saying.

I'm commenting on what Haya said, just like you are commenting based upon what others have said, do you think that is wrong?

I'd suggest choosing a more reliable shadow.

I don't have the time to spend to look up everything but i take some peoples words for truth because they have taken their time to investigate and are truthful people, i'd trust Haya to watch my back so if he says something, i'm going to believe it.

I prefer to do my own research and investigation, rather than taking anyone's word for it. This board is so full of people with agendas and axes to grind...

I don't know who you are trying to fool here, me or yourself, we all know that if the admin would told you something you'd believe them and even if they were proven wrong you'd still believe them, this is not a subject open for debate, you've proven that time and time again.

I'd trust Haya to watch my back, for me and others like me that means something, i'd also trust you to shoot me in the back if you could profit from it or if the administration could profit from it, so i generally just assume that anything you say is a complete lie.

I really do think that you are insane, i think there is something seriously wrong with your brain, i really do, not even TLC is as vehemently defensive when it comes to the mistakes made by the US Administration as you are, that should tell you something considering that he'd probably be honored to lick GWB's balls if he got the chance.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
I don't know who you are trying to fool here, me or yourself, we all know that if the admin would told you something you'd believe them and even if they were proven wrong you'd still believe them, this is not a subject open for debate, you've proven that time and time again.

You must be mistaking me for one of the lefties here who recites the daily talking points memos.

I'd trust Haya to watch my back, for me and others like me that means something, i'd also trust you to shoot me in the back if you could profit from it or if the administration could profit from it, so i generally just assume that anything you say is a complete lie.

I take it you are a Capitalism hater? :laugh:

I really do think that you are insane, i think there is something seriously wrong with your brain, i really do, not even TLC is as vehemently defensive when it comes to the mistakes made by the US Administration as you are, that should tell you something considering that he'd probably be honored to lick GWB's balls if he got the chance.

Vehemently defensive? There must be something in the water over there.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Having read his book on Leadership I would have no problem with him as President.

It is a good book... people who oppose him ought to give it a read.

All I know is Rudy was a great mayor and a great leader. In any crisis he faced -a fire, a main break, a blackout, Flight 800- he throws on the clothes of an emergency worker, tours the scene, gather the heads of his agencies, designs a plan of action, and makes public appearances informing the city what's going on in detail. And he did it within a couple hours of the incident.

Most lame attacks he incurred for his "grandiosity" and building a "bunker" were weaksauce partisan jabs from people who disliked him personally, and most of even his opponents eventually rallied to him for his good work. The plan he devised after September 11 was brilliant. And his crisis-management was just a piece of his overall method of governance. The bottom line is, he was elected in 1993 to bring order to a city on the verge of civil collapse (and he hasn't just done it through great stewardship of the NYPD). He did it make making it clear to all that what seemed as an ungovernable city was in fact governable in all ways-- by the sheer will and leadership he brought to the job.

I may or may not think he'd make a good president or even that great as a person, but I will always acknowledge and respect what he did as a mayor.

Well there's the problem. He's not running for mayor, he's running for President. And instead of a Rudy who acts like he read his own book, we get a Rudy who seems to be obsessed with being a pale imitation of GWB, with less religion but more national security fanaticism. I agree that Rudy did some good things as mayor of NYC, the problem is that the Rudy who was mayor doesn't seem to be the Rudy who's running.

We've had our bellies full of male egomaniacs. It's time for a woman anyway.

When a real woman runs, I'll vote for her.

 

[Lemon law]

Trust bamacre to get to the heart of it with---When a real woman runs, I'll vote for her.

Yep there it is folks, we need genuine hermaphrodite to run for President. Or failing that, see your nearest porn site for a shemale who get politics. Still better than Giuliani with no phony family values baggage. On porn sites, what you see is what you get.

 

[Rogodin2]

At this point in our political topography no politician can expunge, from the worlds' perception, our fair visage.

We're properly fvcked until the music stops playing (when oil becomes unitized).

No politician can alter the course we've chosen as a country.

Rogo

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
Trust bamacre to get to the heart of it with---When a real woman runs, I'll vote for her.

Yep there it is folks, we need genuine hermaphrodite to run for President. Or failing that, see your nearest porn site for a shemale who get politics. Still better than Giuliani with no phony family values baggage. On porn sites, what you see is what you get.

What I stated had nothing to do with anything located below the shoulders.

 

[senseamp]

Giuliani is a Republican. He's beholden to the same neocon constituency, and he certainly hasn't done enough to distance himself from Bush's and other Reaganite ideology that brought us the problems we have now. Plus he's financially supporting a pedophile priest.

 

[1EZduzit]

Fox News Tells McCain Not To Use Fox Footage On Web Site -- But Lets Rudy (And Romney) Use It

October 26, 2007 -- 4:50 PM EST // link //
What on earth is going on between Fox News and John McCain?

Yesterday, Fox News lawyers sent a cease and desist letter to John McCain's campaign, demanding that he halt use of a new ad that uses footage from the Fox-sponsored GOP debate on Oct. 21. Fox is alleging copywright infringement. McCain's campaign is refusing Fox's demand.


But I've learned that there's more to this story.


I've obtained a copy of Fox's letter to McCain. And it explicitly demands that McCain not just stop running the ad, but also demands that he pull the ad from his campaign web site, too, and indeed also demands that he refrain from using any Fox footage on his campaign's site.

The letter says: "Fox News demands that John McCain 2008 immediately cease and desist from any further use of the copywrighted material and that access through the Website to the Ad, the Fox News Debate or any portion thereof, and/or any other Fox news materials, be immediately disabled." That seems clear: No Fox footage of any sort on his site at all. That's surprisingly onerous.


What's amusing, though, is that if you head over to Rudy Giuliani's campaign web site, you find that it is absolutely festooned with Fox News footage. It even prominently features footage from the very same debate that Fox is demanding McCain yank down from his site.

Apparently a vote for Rudy is a vote for more "fair and balanced" news too. Just what we need.

 

[bamacre]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit



Fox News Tells McCain Not To Use Fox Footage On Web Site -- But Lets Rudy (And Romney) Use It

October 26, 2007 -- 4:50 PM EST // link //
What on earth is going on between Fox News and John McCain?

Yesterday, Fox News lawyers sent a cease and desist letter to John McCain's campaign, demanding that he halt use of a new ad that uses footage from the Fox-sponsored GOP debate on Oct. 21. Fox is alleging copywright infringement. McCain's campaign is refusing Fox's demand.


But I've learned that there's more to this story.


I've obtained a copy of Fox's letter to McCain. And it explicitly demands that McCain not just stop running the ad, but also demands that he pull the ad from his campaign web site, too, and indeed also demands that he refrain from using any Fox footage on his campaign's site.

The letter says: "Fox News demands that John McCain 2008 immediately cease and desist from any further use of the copywrighted material and that access through the Website to the Ad, the Fox News Debate or any portion thereof, and/or any other Fox news materials, be immediately disabled." That seems clear: No Fox footage of any sort on his site at all. That's surprisingly onerous.


What's amusing, though, is that if you head over to Rudy Giuliani's campaign web site, you find that it is absolutely festooned with Fox News footage. It even prominently features footage from the very same debate that Fox is demanding McCain yank down from his site.

Apparently a vote for Rudy is a vote for more "fair and balanced" news too. Just what we need.

Wow. Interesting. But not surprising.

Rudy is definitely PNAC's man for 2008.

 

[Lemon law]

Oh my God, does that mean McCain has offended Rupert Murdock? If so, he is finished as a viable Republican candidate.

But McCain may have a legal copyright leg to stand on if he can prove Giuliani and Romney are
likewise using Fox Debate footage without Fox's express permission. And Murdock may discover there is a legal test to their claim of fair and balanced.

 

[eits]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
AFAIK the US had more hands in the cookie jar than all other nations combined, but you will of course disregard that.

Naturally, you will Blame America First, as you do each and every time. :roll:

am i missing something here? what's so wrong with humility and having enough intelligence and balls to look at ourselves critically FIRST? what's wrong with that? why try and blame everyone else? that's why the world hates us... because of douchebags like you who never want to admit to fault or never take a critical look at anything america does. you're quick to blame everyone except america for stuff. that's why you people blow your load all over "they hate us for our freedom". it makes no fucking sense and you lunatics love it.

if a lot of people don't like you, you don't sit there and think there's something wrong with them. you talk to them and look in the mirror and figure it out.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: eits
am i missing something here? what's so wrong with humility and having enough intelligence and balls to look at ourselves critically FIRST? what's wrong with that? why try and blame everyone else? that's why the world hates us... because of douchebags like you who never want to admit to fault or never take a critical look at anything america does. you're quick to blame everyone except america for stuff. that's why you people blow your load all over "they hate us for our freedom". it makes no fucking sense and you lunatics love it.

Yes, you are. Besides any semblance of a logical, coherent argument, you make the fallacious assumption that somehow no one ever looks at "us" first. We do. The "Blame America First" gang, however, never bothers to look any further. Ever.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
No, that's not all there is about Rudy. This isn't a pissing match. If you want a President that's petty and vindictive, go vote for him. I gave an example of what a prick he is. You want to bitch about Hillary? Fine. You want to defend POS behavior by rolling your eyes? Be my guest.

No, I'm just calling you on your BS. As usual.

Anyone who's been around here more than a day or two knows I'm not Giuliani's biggest fan. In fact, I've said numerous times that a Giuliani-Clinton race will be disastrous for this country, because it would be like choosing from bad, or worse.

I haven't defended Giuliani a bit. I've said many times that he'll have a lot of tough questions to answer - just like Hillary - when the time comes.

Meh. You decided that what he does wasn't important even when fucking with people for fun. Not surprising. You may not like Rudy, but you act is if what he does really doesn't matter. Not so surprising. You go vote for Rudy, and I'll vote for Hillary if I decided it's worth the effort.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: eits
am i missing something here? what's so wrong with humility and having enough intelligence and balls to look at ourselves critically FIRST? what's wrong with that? why try and blame everyone else? that's why the world hates us... because of douchebags like you who never want to admit to fault or never take a critical look at anything america does. you're quick to blame everyone except america for stuff. that's why you people blow your load all over "they hate us for our freedom". it makes no fucking sense and you lunatics love it.

Yes, you are. Besides any semblance of a logical, coherent argument, you make the fallacious assumption that somehow no one ever looks at "us" first. We do. The "Blame America First" gang, however, never bothers to look any further. Ever.

Yes, remember that blaming Bush is the same as Blame America. Rush says it, Pabster believes it and that settles it.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider
Yes, remember that blaming Bush is the same as Blame America. Rush says it, Pabster believes it and that settles it.

For the vast majority who make such laughable claims, their BDS case is so severe they truly can't discern the difference.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Hayabusa Rider

Originally posted by: Pabster

Originally posted by: eits
am i missing something here? what's so wrong with humility and having enough intelligence and balls to look at ourselves critically FIRST? what's wrong with that? why try and blame everyone else? that's why the world hates us... because of douchebags like you who never want to admit to fault or never take a critical look at anything america does. you're quick to blame everyone except america for stuff. that's why you people blow your load all over "they hate us for our freedom". it makes no fucking sense and you lunatics love it.

Yes, you are. Besides any semblance of a logical, coherent argument, you make the fallacious assumption that somehow no one ever looks at "us" first. We do. The "Blame America First" gang, however, never bothers to look any further. Ever.

Yes, remember that blaming Bush is the same as Blame America. Rush says it, Pabster believes it and that settles it.

This can't be right. To have something settled because you believe it is the definition of madness and the root of fanaticism.

 

[shadow9d9]

Originally posted by: cwjerome

Originally posted by: techs

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Having read his book on Leadership I would have no problem with him as President.

Wow. Consider what you just said. How about reading a book about Guiliani that HE didn't write about himself.
Let me explain since obviously you need some education. When someone writes a book about how great they themselves are, you must consider the source.

I think you missed the idea, sparky.

Watch Howard Stern's movie and compare it to real life.

 

[Taejin]

Originally posted by: yllus
Maybe a President Giuliani is exactly what the U.S. needs?

Or maybe President Giuliani is exactly what the U.S. doesn't need?