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Maybe a cruel rant

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Bleep

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This may sound a little cruel but here goes anyway.

A friend of mine has several kids and today one of his sons committed suicide, he was 40 years old and had 2 children of his own, a real bummer.
Now for the rant. The person committing suicide is a selfish piece of crap that thinks of no one but himself. the person that does this does not care what happens to those left behind, A wife that is broken hearted wondering if she did something to cause this, a guilt trip that will last for a long time and she may never get over it. The same with his children and grandkids, all will want to take some blame for the selfish act this person did.
The suicider never had any thought of how this was going to affect the life of anyone but himself. This will follow all his offspring forever. Whenever they put in for a job or try and buy life insurance the question is always asked "has there been any suicides in your family?" to which they will have to answer yes and some think that suicide is a family trait making it difficult for the left behinders.
The life insurance that will not pay for suicides leaving his widow pennyless and with the job market the way it is not much chance of making it on her own without help from her family and friends but this will not last forever. Not only that but this piece of crap left her with a ton of debt and no way to pay it off and bankruptsy will probably be the only way for to even keep the house that they lived in. I only feel contempt for a person that would do such a thing and even some contempt for those that even think of such a thing.
Those that think of such a thing as suicide do not care about anyone but themself.and has no respect for anyone just self pity.
Why write this? Maybe someone that has thought about doing themself in will read it and rethink what happens afterwards, and maybe down the road someone that has read this will not think about doing this dastardly thing

Rant over

Bleep
 
it's a terrible situation but suicidal people often have mental illnesses that impair their judgment and cloud their perception to the point where they cant even begin to think about the repercussions of their actions. they just want the misery to end....

not that i've been suicidal or nuthin 😀
 
I always felt this way and wondered how many others felt the same. It is the single most selfish act a person can make.
 
it's a terrible situation but suicidal people often have mental illnesses that impair their judgment and cloud their perception to the point where they cant even begin to think about the repercussions of their actions. they just want the misery to end....
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Well said. I would add that the psychosis of many suicidal persons is so warped that they may actually believe they are such miserable and hopeless failures that their family and friends would be better off without them.

Its not a rational act and you're ascribing rational qualities to the decision making process of a suicidal individual. Doesn't work like that.
 
Originally posted by: csaddict
I always felt this way and wondered how many others felt the same. It is the single most selfish act a person can make.
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Ponder this. If a person is truly in unbearable mental/physical torment and there is no chance of a change in situation who is more selfish.....the poor slob who wants to die to end the suffering or people like you who only care about your own personal feelings?

Oh yeah....and what they said before me....hahaha 😀
 
I knew someone who was very close to commiting suicide.
The only thing that kept them from doing it was the thought of how terribly it would have devistated friends and family.
 
I believe that people should have the right to end their own lives if they so desire (it's all about freedom of choice), but certainly whoever wishes to do so should take into account that their action will have reprecussions. It's akin to the American ideal of freedom of speech; it does not free you from the social consequences of what you say.
 
Sorry to hear about that.

Most life insurance policies have a 2 year suicide clause. Obviously so you can't just take out the policy and then kill yourself, leaving the money to whomever.

So if that fellow has had his policy for longer than whatever the "waiting period" was, the family should be able to collect.
I suppose some policies may have permanent suicide clauses, but when I sold insurance, all the ones I saw had a 2 year one.
 
Whenever they put in for a job or try and buy life insurance the question is always asked "has there been any suicides in your family?"
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I've never tried to buy life insurance, but no one at a job interview has EVER asked me that.
 
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: csaddict
I always felt this way and wondered how many others felt the same. It is the single most selfish act a person can make.
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Ponder this. If a person is truly in unbearable mental/physical torment and there is no chance of a change in situation who is more selfish.....the poor slob who wants to die to end the suffering or people like you who only care about your own personal feelings?
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That is just asinine. If the family knew about the problems, ignored them, and bitched about it afterwards it'd be different. If someone doesn't tell anyone what is happening or what they are feeling how can the others be more selfish? They are left wondering WTF happened and why didn't the person ask for help. They are left to pick up the pieces and cope with it. Something the suicidal one didn't do. They took the easy way out. Kill themselves and let everyone else deal with it.
 
I reccomend Everything Salinger has ever written.

If you can't bear that, then "A Perfect Day for Bananafish" followed by Raise High the Roofbeam Carpenter
 
Originally posted by: csaddict
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: csaddict
I always felt this way and wondered how many others felt the same. It is the single most selfish act a person can make.
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Ponder this. If a person is truly in unbearable mental/physical torment and there is no chance of a change in situation who is more selfish.....the poor slob who wants to die to end the suffering or people like you who only care about your own personal feelings?
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That is just asinine. If the family knew about the problems, ignored them, and bitched about it afterwards it'd be different. If someone doesn't tell anyone what is happening or what they are feeling how can the others be more selfish? They are left wondering WTF happened and why didn't the person ask for help. They are left to pick up the pieces and cope with it. Something the suicidal one didn't do. They took the easy way out. Kill themselves and let everyone else deal with it.
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I have personally cleaned up the mess left by someone sticking a .357 in their mouth.....have you? Considering the person's plight and what he had to look forward too I was one of the only people that actually understood what he did and why he did it. He even went to great lengths to line everything up (finacially etc.) as best he could for his live in GF. I sat amongst the family/friends at he ensuing gatherings and funeral and listened to a lot of the same stuff mentioned by the original poster....but no one even tried to see what he was up against and why he decided to take his own life. Of course he didn't tell anyone what he intended to do....why would he do that? Then everyone would go to great lenghts to prevent him from the only way he knew how to come to peace with his situation......and would their motivations be noble or selfish? My call is mostly selfish because none of the people who were calling him a coward and selfish did anything to help him when he was alive and in torment. I think you might be a little asinine and selfish to boot.
 
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: csaddict
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: csaddict
I always felt this way and wondered how many others felt the same. It is the single most selfish act a person can make.
Click to expand...
Ponder this. If a person is truly in unbearable mental/physical torment and there is no chance of a change in situation who is more selfish.....the poor slob who wants to die to end the suffering or people like you who only care about your own personal feelings?
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That is just asinine. If the family knew about the problems, ignored them, and bitched about it afterwards it'd be different. If someone doesn't tell anyone what is happening or what they are feeling how can the others be more selfish? They are left wondering WTF happened and why didn't the person ask for help. They are left to pick up the pieces and cope with it. Something the suicidal one didn't do. They took the easy way out. Kill themselves and let everyone else deal with it.
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I have personally cleaned up the mess left by someone sticking a .357 in their mouth.....have you? Considering the person's plight and what he had to look forward too I was one of the only people that actually understood what he did and why he did it. He even went to great lengths to line everything up (finacially etc.) as best he could for his live in GF. I sat amongst the family/friends at he ensuing gatherings and funeral and listened to a lot of the same stuff mentioned by the original poster....but no one even tried to see what he was up against and why he decided to take his own life. Of course he didn't tell anyone what he intended to do....why would he do that? Then everyone would go to great lenghts to prevent him from the only way he knew how to come to peace with his situation......and would their motivations be noble or selfish? My call is mostly selfish because none of the people who were calling him a coward and selfish did anything to help him when he was alive and in torment. I think you might be a little asinine and selfish to boot.
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How did this turn into a personal attack on me?
 
Originally posted by: csaddict
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: csaddict
Originally posted by: Ronstang
Originally posted by: csaddict
I always felt this way and wondered how many others felt the same. It is the single most selfish act a person can make.
Click to expand...
Ponder this. If a person is truly in unbearable mental/physical torment and there is no chance of a change in situation who is more selfish.....the poor slob who wants to die to end the suffering or people like you who only care about your own personal feelings?
Click to expand...

That is just asinine. If the family knew about the problems, ignored them, and bitched about it afterwards it'd be different. If someone doesn't tell anyone what is happening or what they are feeling how can the others be more selfish? They are left wondering WTF happened and why didn't the person ask for help. They are left to pick up the pieces and cope with it. Something the suicidal one didn't do. They took the easy way out. Kill themselves and let everyone else deal with it.
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I have personally cleaned up the mess left by someone sticking a .357 in their mouth.....have you? Considering the person's plight and what he had to look forward too I was one of the only people that actually understood what he did and why he did it. He even went to great lengths to line everything up (finacially etc.) as best he could for his live in GF. I sat amongst the family/friends at he ensuing gatherings and funeral and listened to a lot of the same stuff mentioned by the original poster....but no one even tried to see what he was up against and why he decided to take his own life. Of course he didn't tell anyone what he intended to do....why would he do that? Then everyone would go to great lenghts to prevent him from the only way he knew how to come to peace with his situation......and would their motivations be noble or selfish? My call is mostly selfish because none of the people who were calling him a coward and selfish did anything to help him when he was alive and in torment. I think you might be a little asinine and selfish to boot.
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How did this turn into a personal attack on me?
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You said that what I posted was asinine. I disagree about your point of view but I didn't say anything negative except pose a question. I was merely stating that I actually have personal experience with suicide and that experience showed me how selfish the survivors actually are......anyway I only said that I thought you were "a little" asinine....is that really a personal attack. Geesh...this is ATOT....grow some skin.

 
How did this turn into a personal attack on me?
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You know that whenever anyone here posts anything here sooner or later someone will personally attack you. I expected attacks.
Many persons that have thought of suicide have confided the thought to others and almost never do it on the spur of the moment.
My post was only made to blow off steam and to maybe give someone a second thought before doing the deed.

Bleep
 
It's always easy to judge someone else so long as you don't have to live there life. It's also hard to tell what kind of pain and what state of mind he was in at the time he choose to kill himself.


There are many things you won't have to endure in "your" life but others do and some can't live through them.

PS: Pray that God welcomes him home.
 
Originally posted by: csaddict
I always felt this way and wondered how many others felt the same. It is the single most selfish act a person can make.
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So is the inverse true? If you want to kill yourself but choose not to is that the most selfless act one can make?
 
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