May 2009 Automotive Sales Data

[MikeMike]

COMPANIES

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General Motors -29.55% 191,875 272,363 -26.84% 7,380 10,088

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Ford Mo Co -24.25% 161,531 213,238 -21.33% 6,213 7,898

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Toyota Mo Co -40.72% 152,583 257,406 -38.44% 5,869 9,534

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Honda America -41.46% 98,344 167,997 -39.21% 3,782 6,222

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Chrysler Group -46.88% 79,010 148,747 -44.84% 3,039 5,509

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Nissan NA -33.10% 67,489 100,874 -30.52% 2,596 3,736

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BMW Group -27.65% 22,993 31,781 -24.87% 884 1,177

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No one buys GM vehicles huh?
The thing is, if you begin to break it down the japanese companies are getting CRUSHED in their mid-sized and small car sales. Gas went down, people went back to large vehicles. the Accord is down almost 50% in sales, the Civic is down 60% in sales compared to May of 08 (gas prices) and they are down 25% and 50% compared to 2007...

 

[Slew Foot]

Not sure if the accord counts as a small vehicle, mines about as long as my Dads Yukon.

How much of the GM sales were due to massive discounts or fleet sales?

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
No one buys GM vehicles huh?
The thing is, if you begin to break it down the japanese companies are getting CRUSHED in their mid-sized and small car sales. Gas went down, people went back to large vehicles. the Accord is down almost 50% in sales, the Civic is down 60% in sales compared to May of 08 (gas prices) and they are down 25% and 50% compared to 2007...

And yet unlike Ford and GM, Honda is still on track to post a yearly profit.
Your entire rant about Honda and your analysis about "the Japanese companies getting crushed" is nothing short of idiocy.

Sales don't mean shit if you're not making a profit.

 

[jpeyton]

They might be making a profit once bankruptcy trims the fat.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: jpeyton
They might be making a profit once bankruptcy trims the fat.

Isn't gonna happen. The unions are still there.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
No one buys GM vehicles huh?
The thing is, if you begin to break it down the japanese companies are getting CRUSHED in their mid-sized and small car sales. Gas went down, people went back to large vehicles. the Accord is down almost 50% in sales, the Civic is down 60% in sales compared to May of 08 (gas prices) and they are down 25% and 50% compared to 2007...

And yet unlike Ford and GM, Honda is still on track to post a yearly profit.
Your entire rant about Honda and your analysis about "the Japanese companies getting crushed" is nothing short of idiocy.

Sales don't mean shit if you're not making a profit.

They still lost money last quarter just like TM, who posted larger losses than GM...

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE

Originally posted by: Lothar

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
No one buys GM vehicles huh?
The thing is, if you begin to break it down the japanese companies are getting CRUSHED in their mid-sized and small car sales. Gas went down, people went back to large vehicles. the Accord is down almost 50% in sales, the Civic is down 60% in sales compared to May of 08 (gas prices) and they are down 25% and 50% compared to 2007...

And yet unlike Ford and GM, Honda is still on track to post a yearly profit.
Your entire rant about Honda and your analysis about "the Japanese companies getting crushed" is nothing short of idiocy.

Sales don't mean shit if you're not making a profit.

They still lost money last quarter just like TM, who posted larger losses than GM...

And?
They still posted a profit their last fiscal year.
They are still on track to post a profit their current fiscal year.

Wake me up when GM, Ford, and Chrysler stops showing red ink in their annual earnings report to their stock holders.

 

[StageLeft]

GM couldn't even turn a profit during the fantasy economy we had until 2007. To be profitable 2-3 years from now as they claim they can be, they're going to have to do a hell of a lot better than they have been doing.

I heard they are up 70% in China from this time last year. Maybe that's why a Chinese company wants to buy Hummer

 

[Cuda1447]

That point is though, GM/Ford/American companies aren't not turning a profit because the cars suck, they aren't turning a profit because the costs to manufacture the cars are so much higher than their competitors.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: Cuda1447
That point is though, GM/Ford/American companies aren't not turning a profit because the cars suck, they aren't turning a profit because the costs to manufacture the cars are so much higher than their competitors.

No no, those sales figures are all lies, the domestics don't produce anything anyone wants to buy.

 

[Genx87]

This is why I laugh when people say big vehicles were killing GM. Small and medium sized cars arent selling either.

 

[evident]

From Autoblog:

Part of the reason for Toyota's optimism is due to the Japanese automaker's May sales. On the surface, sales were putrid, with a decline of 40% versus May 2008. But last May 2008 was a far better month for Toyota than it was many of its competitors, making the 40% figure a bit misleading. Toyota's sales actually increased by 21% when compared to April 2009.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: evident
From Autoblog:

Part of the reason for Toyota's optimism is due to the Japanese automaker's May sales. On the surface, sales were putrid, with a decline of 40% versus May 2008. But last May 2008 was a far better month for Toyota than it was many of its competitors, making the 40% figure a bit misleading. Toyota's sales actually increased by 21% when compared to April 2009.

That's awesome, GM's sales are up 11% and Ford is up 20% compared to last April too. It's not just Toyota. But of course the media has to spin it so that it always looks like Toyota can not fail.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
COMPANIES

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General Motors -29.55% 191,875 272,363 -26.84% 7,380 10,088

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Ford Mo Co -24.25% 161,531 213,238 -21.33% 6,213 7,898

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Toyota Mo Co -40.72% 152,583 257,406 -38.44% 5,869 9,534

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Honda America -41.46% 98,344 167,997 -39.21% 3,782 6,222

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Chrysler Group -46.88% 79,010 148,747 -44.84% 3,039 5,509

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Nissan NA -33.10% 67,489 100,874 -30.52% 2,596 3,736

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BMW Group -27.65% 22,993 31,781 -24.87% 884 1,177

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No one buys GM vehicles huh?
The thing is, if you begin to break it down the japanese companies are getting CRUSHED in their mid-sized and small car sales. Gas went down, people went back to large vehicles. the Accord is down almost 50% in sales, the Civic is down 60% in sales compared to May of 08 (gas prices) and they are down 25% and 50% compared to 2007...

are the last 3 columns daily sales rates based on number of selling days?

 

[Strk]

I don't think you can group the Japanese manufacturers anymore than you can group the three domestic companies together.

It looks like good news for Ford though.

 

[TheSlamma]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
in their mid-sized and small car sales. Gas went down, people went back to large vehicles. the Accord is down almost 50% in sales, the Civic is down 60% in sales compared to May of 08 (gas prices) and they are down 25% and 50% compared to 2007...

Anyone who thinks these current gas prices are here to stay is as dumb as someone who would buy a domestic too.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: TheSlamma

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
in their mid-sized and small car sales. Gas went down, people went back to large vehicles. the Accord is down almost 50% in sales, the Civic is down 60% in sales compared to May of 08 (gas prices) and they are down 25% and 50% compared to 2007...

Anyone who thinks these current gas prices are here to stay is as dumb as someone who would buy a domestic too.

...or a gas guzzling import (Tundra, Sequoia, Ridgeline, Land Rover, etc.)

 

[soccerballtux]

American cars STILL have no resale value.

Coworker just sold his 2000 Tacoma with 110k for $8k

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
No one buys GM vehicles huh?
The thing is, if you begin to break it down the japanese companies are getting CRUSHED in their mid-sized and small car sales. Gas went down, people went back to large vehicles. the Accord is down almost 50% in sales, the Civic is down 60% in sales compared to May of 08 (gas prices) and they are down 25% and 50% compared to 2007...

It won't last. Gas prices will go back up (indeed, they already have to an extent). The wrist-cutting discounts given by GM and Chrysler cannot last either, unless Obama keeps taking money from me to subsidize these cars.

 

[fleshconsumed]

Gas prices are already up. $3.00 for 89, only $1.40 away from all time high for my area.

 

[MikeMike]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: MIKEMIKE
No one buys GM vehicles huh?
The thing is, if you begin to break it down the japanese companies are getting CRUSHED in their mid-sized and small car sales. Gas went down, people went back to large vehicles. the Accord is down almost 50% in sales, the Civic is down 60% in sales compared to May of 08 (gas prices) and they are down 25% and 50% compared to 2007...

It won't last. Gas prices will go back up (indeed, they already have to an extent). The wrist-cutting discounts given by GM and Chrysler cannot last either, unless Obama keeps taking money from me to subsidize these cars.

except, GM has small cars coming out for this upcoming fuel crisis... and fuel efficient ones too...

Cruze: 40mpg... no one can touch that without diesel or a hybrid.
Volt
Beat
Terrain
Equinox


those are just the 30+ mpg vehicles GM has coming out.

 

[MovingTarget]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
American cars STILL have no resale value.

Coworker just sold his 2000 Tacoma with 110k for $8k

Your coworker found quite the sucker. Resale values aren't always rational and are a pretty crappy metric to judge a new vehicle.

 

[Ktulu]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
American cars STILL have no resale value.

Coworker just sold his 2000 Tacoma with 110k for $8k

That's most likely because of the whole Tacoma buy back program due to it those Tacomas have severe rust problems. Has nothing to do with the truck actually being worth that amount.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
American cars STILL have no resale value.

Coworker just sold his 2000 Tacoma with 110k for $8k

Your coworker found himself a sucker.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I heard they are up 70% in China from this time last year. Maybe that's why a Chinese company wants to buy Hummer

I heard it was principally because the CEO of Tengzhong Heavy Industrial Machinery Co loves the fact that Hummer loosely translates into Mandarin as Mighty All Terrain Mobile Penis Module Greatly Admired by Peasants Stuck in Mud in their Crappy Suzuki Tracker Knock-Off.