Max Hardcore Guilty On All Counts in Obscenity Trial

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cubby1223

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Originally posted by: sourceninja
What is obscene? What is your standard. I find pop music obscene. It rapes my childhood. I however, do not find anything wrong with normal porn. One of my co-workers says that he wishes he knew who watched porn, because he would not want to be in the same room with someone who watched porn. He said they are disturbed degenerates who have no self control and will one day act out all their sick fantasies. He is afraid to leave his children with someone who might watch porn because they may rape his kids. So now we have to ban pop music and all porn. My mom finds metal music obscene. So that is gone. John McCain finds Mixed Martial arts and the UFC obscene, so that is gone. I have a friend who's religion views giving blood as an abomination. That is worse than obscene. That is gone. My same friend finds low cut shirts on women to be Obscene. So that is gone.
You obviously don't know how the legal system works. No one person determines obscenity. There was a full jury of I assume 12 people (who were each interviewed & approved by the defense pre-trial) and they came to a unanimous decision. All this guy needed was to convince 1 person out of a group of 12 that he has the right to do what he was doing.
 

Q

Lifer
Jul 21, 2005
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I have no idea who this is or what it is about, so I went to the Wiki and it's deleted
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: Steve
That article is over ten years old. More on it later.

Ok, so it's decade plus old, if anything he's gotten worse. People like him don't magically become nicer as time passes. The bottom line, no well known porn stars will work with him and many have called him everything from a psycho to an abusive asshole. I'm all for free speech, but I saw him slap the shit out of a girl in a video. If I did that in real life I would go to jail, she didn't press charges I guess, but it's on fucking video! For shit like that he belongs in prison no 2 ways about it. He should be in Rikers getting throat fucked until he pukes to see what it feels like.

You can see videos of his where the females ask him to stop because he's hurting them and he keeps right on plowing them. In real life if I kept fucking a girl after she asked to stop, that would be rape. The girls don't press charges (I guess I dunno if any have) but again the proof is on fucking video! even if they agreed to sex before, once they say "stop!" and it's not part of the script it's rape. And the assfuck himself has said in interviews that a lot of the girls are in pain and want him to stop, but pain is part of the pleasure so it's worth it for them to hurt so he can bust his nutt.

there is nothing redeeming about him.

I saw a movie where the character shot a guy. The actor should be thrown in jail for shooting a guy, right?


Wrong.

He's an actor in movies and not everything that you see is real.

 

Viper GTS

Lifer
Oct 13, 1999
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From everything I can find on this guy he's a complete piece of shit, and I wouldn't want to see any of his work. In fact I would seriously think less of anyone who DID want to see it. However... That doesn't mean it should be illegal. I look forward to seeing this overturned.

Now the allegations of borderline rape activity during his "filming" is another story, if they can get him on rape charges I'd be completely OK with it. It sounds like he probably deserves it.

Viper GTS
 

Mill

Lifer
Oct 10, 1999
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The whole reason this was done in Tampa is so they could hit the Miller test in just the right way.

He is a disgusting piece of scum, but our First Amendment protects him (or at least it should).

As ViperGTS pointed out, if he he raped or abused these girls without their consent I have no problem with him being charged for that.

 

CrazyLazy

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Originally posted by: sourceninja

If someone wanted to commit suicide & signed consent forms allowing someone to shoot them and videotape it, it certainly isn't "free speech." (going for the obvious extreme) WTF makes someone think that anything you film automatically falls under free speech?


If someone wanted to commit suicide & signed consent forms allowing someone to shoot them and videotape it, it certainly isn't "free speech." (going for the obvious extreme) WTF makes someone think that anything you film automatically falls under free speech?

Why not? Why is it illegal to kill myself? What if I want to kill myself to make a statement about how our government is ruining the lives of the people? What if I want to kill myself to make a statement about how futile life really is? Why not?

If you have a reason to video tape it, it is free speech. If it does not harm others, and it is not shoved down your throat, then it should be legal.

Killing myself should be legal. Failing an attempt at killing myself (which harms others others in time and cost to save my ass) should be illegal. I have the same stance on drugs. Drug use may increase crime, but we have laws to deal with the crimes that drug users might commit to buy drugs. If you can do drugs without stealing, murdering, etc, it is none of my business.

I have no desire to see this kind of porn. I find it distasteful, offensive, and disturbing. So I simply choose not to watch it.[/quote]

Contrary to popular belief it isn't illegal to try and commit suicide.

 

QueBert

Lifer
Jan 6, 2002
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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: Steve
That article is over ten years old. More on it later.

Ok, so it's decade plus old, if anything he's gotten worse. People like him don't magically become nicer as time passes. The bottom line, no well known porn stars will work with him and many have called him everything from a psycho to an abusive asshole. I'm all for free speech, but I saw him slap the shit out of a girl in a video. If I did that in real life I would go to jail, she didn't press charges I guess, but it's on fucking video! For shit like that he belongs in prison no 2 ways about it. He should be in Rikers getting throat fucked until he pukes to see what it feels like.

You can see videos of his where the females ask him to stop because he's hurting them and he keeps right on plowing them. In real life if I kept fucking a girl after she asked to stop, that would be rape. The girls don't press charges (I guess I dunno if any have) but again the proof is on fucking video! even if they agreed to sex before, once they say "stop!" and it's not part of the script it's rape. And the assfuck himself has said in interviews that a lot of the girls are in pain and want him to stop, but pain is part of the pleasure so it's worth it for them to hurt so he can bust his nutt.

there is nothing redeeming about him.

I saw a movie where the character shot a guy. The actor should be thrown in jail for shooting a guy, right?


Wrong.

He's an actor in movies and not everything that you see is real.

What you see in his movies is real, when a female "actor" in his movie is crying and asking him to stop and he chimes in "shut the fuck up and recite your lines" and she switches to "oh fuck me in the ass baby" There is no acting in the first part. Most other porn companies would cut out the part with the girl crying and asking the guy to stop. He has said himself in interviews he doesn't care if the woman feels pain, they are there to make him orgasm and the pain they feel is not his concern.

Al Pacino obviously isn't Scarface, Max Hardcore is the character he plays though. You can't "act" the shit he does on camera. You have to be a certified sick fuck to laugh as you pee in a womans eye and she starts to cry and say it's in her contacts and burning bad. I saw 2 of his movies and it was absolutely real, it wasn't erotic at all. I believe he even says himself his own movies aren't erotic. Females in porn are typically the worst actors around, no way 95% of them are faking tears and begging him to stop as part of a script.




 

TheFamilyMan

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Originally posted by: LtPage1
This thread makes me sick for several reasons.

Yeah, most of all how throngs (well, the denizens of ATOT) come out of the woodwork to support this guy and what he does. I hope he appeals, gets a change of venue and retrial, and then is found guilty again. Will that shut up the masses of ATOT? Probably not...

Every thread like this brings out every 1st amendment idiot on this board...99% of them you can't have a rational explanation with. The one poster who explained everything well (i.e. explanation of how the Miller doctrine was utilized) probably wasn't read by half or more of the posters and they continued to chirp away that this is the tip of the iceberg in the US becoming a police state...give me an f'ing break...fear-mongering at its finest.

The bottom line is that Max Hardcore generates, distributes and profits from content which, by all definitions, has been identified as obscene by a jury of his peers...and would be considered obscene by a wide majority if this case was opened up to a nationwide test.
 

AstroManLuca

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Jun 24, 2004
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Thing is, I wish the guy had been jailed for what I see as his real crimes of abuse. Hell, get him for fucking rape. But obscenity is bad.
 

SphinxnihpS

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Originally posted by: DangerAardvark
The whole "artistic value" argument is bullshit. Obscenity should not be a legal concept, period. All the Miller vs California case did was set up a special case where freedom of speech can be suspended on an arbitrary, subjective basis.

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QueBert

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Originally posted by: cKGunslinger
Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: Baked
This guy has no business in the business. He's a very very sick and twisted asshole.

I agree, I think a lot of the females are naive about just how bad his videos are. A good sign of bad they are. I read an interview with a female who had "heard" of him but didn't know a whole lot. She ended up in one of his videos, and without warning he ran up behind her and crammed his fist into her pussy. She had no idea he was going to do that, she said she started to freak out and cry and he just slapped the shit out of her and told her to take it. Also I read next to no females ever return to do a 2nd video. If he pays well you'd think females would be fighting each other to return to shoot more scenes with him.

It reminds me somewhat of the Ghetto Gaggers site, the chicks have to know what they're getting into. But until they're actually there doing it, they have no idea how bad it's going to be. A lot go "oh I can handle this!" before the scene starts, but none come back to film again.

Max is a piece of shit who prays on weak females, I have no sympathy for him and hope a man in Prison is a fan of his work and gives him the reverse treatment.

I once read a post that said QueBert hated babies so much that one day he saw a baby in the park and he ran over to it and punched it in the face, then took a crap on his face and the the mother said "Hey, stop that," QueBert just said, "Bite me, bitch!" and raped her there on the grass and then went off to stomp on baby panda bears with golf shoes.."


Which is another of saying, :roll:

Lol this arugment you bring up is pretty ummm interesting. You're using an example that you "heard" something about me. The difference with Max is, there is proof on video, some people just choose to watch his videos and believe the females are acting and the tears aren't real and the pleads to not hurt them anymore are just acting too. And you know what, maybe some are just acting, and maybe some actually like it. But he has thousands of videos he's made and I'm positive more than a couple females were raped, probably a lot more. But even if it was just a few that alone should land him in jail for life.



When you have a video of me punching a baby in the face you can bring this argument up, there is a boatload of proof that max is guilty of rape. I know that's not what he's on trial for, but he should be. Hell there are videos of his where the chick is obviously drunk and high out of her mind. I don't think a drunk person can legally sign a contract can they? So if I get a chick drunk and video tape me doing shit to her without her sober consent it should be considered ok because she signed a contract?

bullshit

 

JEDI

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Originally posted by: QueBert Hell there are videos of his where the chick is obviously drunk and high out of her mind. I don't think a drunk person can legally sign a contract can they? So if I get a chick drunk and video tape me doing shit to her without her sober consent it should be considered ok because she signed a contract?

i think even Max knew that doing the max treatment on a drunk girl will get him in trouble. thus why i havent seen any videos of him + drunk girls.

Russian Drunk videos FTW!!!
 

seemingly random

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Originally posted by: dbk
Originally posted by: ggnl
Originally posted by: dbk
wiki While I don't agree with the verdict, he was playing with fire and got burned.

I'm afraid to even look at his wikipedia page at work.

Did he just do really disgusting stuff?

I guess the people who've subscribed to his website didn't find it disgusting at all.

So the FBI signed up to his website and had some dvds delivered to Tampa and from there they were able to invoke Tampa's "community standards" and bring Little to trial for 20 counts of obscenity; he was convicted on 10 of the counts.

A female judge and the jury (7w, 5m) seeing 8 1/2 hours of the videos sure didn't help his cause.

http://www2.tbo.com/content/20...ducer-46-month-prison/

http://www.tampabay.com/news/c...inal/article528112.ece
Nice summary.

From tampabay.com:

A man who identified himself as a youth pastor was excused from the jury pool after saying he had a previous addiction to porn and didn't want a relapse by having to view it during trial.
I wonder if the court, fbi or postal service investigated this scenario for possible abuse...
 

shortylickens

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Jul 15, 2003
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Oh, crap I was wondering why all of a sudden I couldnt find his DVD's anywhere.

And I have seen plenty of his vids on the internet.
He is VERY rough, even moreso than Rocco Siffredi.

I found it interesting that the courts said all these things were criminal, when any one of them is not.
You can find all the things he has in seperate movies, but for some reason if you combine all elements into one movie, its criminal.
Weird.
 

QueBert

Lifer
Jan 6, 2002
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Originally posted by: JEDI
Originally posted by: QueBert Hell there are videos of his where the chick is obviously drunk and high out of her mind. I don't think a drunk person can legally sign a contract can they? So if I get a chick drunk and video tape me doing shit to her without her sober consent it should be considered ok because she signed a contract?

i think even Max knew that doing the max treatment on a drunk girl will get him in trouble. thus why i havent seen any videos of him + drunk girls.

Russian Drunk videos FTW!!!

Watch the first video he did with that chick "Oliva" she actually filed charges against him years ago but the charges were dropped when they found out she had went back to do a 2nd video. She was definitely drunk. I have only seen 2 of his videos, but I would have to assume there are others with drunk chicks.


and to shortylickens fisting is defnitely illegal in the US, I know he went to Sweeden or something to film them there, but there is proof he had shot fisting videos in the US. That would be illegal.
 

Praxis1452

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Originally posted by: QueBert
Originally posted by: JEDI
Originally posted by: QueBert Hell there are videos of his where the chick is obviously drunk and high out of her mind. I don't think a drunk person can legally sign a contract can they? So if I get a chick drunk and video tape me doing shit to her without her sober consent it should be considered ok because she signed a contract?

i think even Max knew that doing the max treatment on a drunk girl will get him in trouble. thus why i havent seen any videos of him + drunk girls.

Russian Drunk videos FTW!!!

Watch the first video he did with that chick "Oliva" she actually filed charges against him years ago but the charges were dropped when they found out she had went back to do a 2nd video. She was definitely drunk. I have only seen 2 of his videos, but I would have to assume there are others with drunk chicks.


and to shortylickens fisting is defnitely illegal in the US, I know he went to Sweeden or something to film them there, but there is proof he had shot fisting videos in the US. That would be illegal.
are you seriously trolling? lol.
 

BUTCH1

Lifer
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Originally posted by: shortylickens
Oh, crap I was wondering why all of a sudden I couldnt find his DVD's anywhere.

And I have seen plenty of his vids on the internet.
He is VERY rough, even moreso than Rocco Siffredi.

I found it interesting that the courts said all these things were criminal, when any one of them is not.
You can find all the things he has in seperate movies, but for some reason if you combine all elements into one movie, its criminal.
Weird.

I don't call throat-banging someone till they puke "rough" I call it "demented" or "sick"..
 

Praxis1452

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Jan 31, 2006
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Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Originally posted by: shortylickens
Oh, crap I was wondering why all of a sudden I couldnt find his DVD's anywhere.

And I have seen plenty of his vids on the internet.
He is VERY rough, even moreso than Rocco Siffredi.

I found it interesting that the courts said all these things were criminal, when any one of them is not.
You can find all the things he has in seperate movies, but for some reason if you combine all elements into one movie, its criminal.
Weird.

I don't call throat-banging someone till they puke "rough" I call it "demented" or "sick"..

The person consented. Simple enough?
 

QueBert

Lifer
Jan 6, 2002
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Originally posted by: Praxis1452
Originally posted by: BUTCH1
Originally posted by: shortylickens
Oh, crap I was wondering why all of a sudden I couldnt find his DVD's anywhere.

And I have seen plenty of his vids on the internet.
He is VERY rough, even moreso than Rocco Siffredi.

I found it interesting that the courts said all these things were criminal, when any one of them is not.
You can find all the things he has in seperate movies, but for some reason if you combine all elements into one movie, its criminal.
Weird.

I don't call throat-banging someone till they puke "rough" I call it "demented" or "sick"..

The person consented. Simple enough?

Not all of them have though, more than one has spoken out about what he did to them. And I'd gather there are many more, but they're scared to come out in the open about it. If he throat fucked 1,000 chicks and 999 were okay with it. Even ONE not being okay with it makes the other 999 null and void. Forcing yourself on a woman is never okay, if she signed a contract, and during the scene decides enough is enough. That contract doesn't give him the right to finish what he was doing. At best he should tell her to get the fuck out and not pay her. He didn't do that, on more than one occasion. That makes him a rapist. If I fucked a girl who was telling me to stop and it was on camera I would be in Jail. I'm not sure how he's still a free man. Weird how this country works that's for sure.

You called me a troll, dunno for what though? I have no problem with what Mr Little did to any of the females that consented, the problem lies in the females who didn't consent, and he continued to abuse any ways. If you don't see any problem with that, this discussion is over.

 

Xylitol

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i'm not into that stuff, but this is definitely a violation of free speech.

The grand jury must've been filled with retarded people because the people in that jury indicted him