radioouman
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Originally posted by: mjuszczak
Originally posted by: LiquidImpulse
have you tried intense cardio workouts? slowly increment your cardio daily and your heart rate should be better. also lots of water, clean those arteries! and on top of that, make sure you eat healthy!
Three miles running a day isn't intense cardio?
And I eat healthy
no...millions of lazy unhealthy high school students do 3x that a day
Originally posted by: Koing
Originally posted by: mjuszczak
Originally posted by: LiquidImpulse
have you tried intense cardio workouts? slowly increment your cardio daily and your heart rate should be better. also lots of water, clean those arteries! and on top of that, make sure you eat healthy
Three miles running a day isn't intense cardio?
And I eat healthy
No.
Running distance is a 'low level exercise'. Yes it is hard cardio wise but it is low level.
Have you tried running intervals?
Sprint 30m, then slow down 'gradually' this can take up to 50-80m past the 30m mark. Then walk back to the start and sprint again. Repeat for 5 lengths and rest 3minutes. Repeat so you complete this 'set' 3x.
Warm up properly of course.
Your HR SHOULD have dropped. How long have you been doing the running and healthier eating? 6months yet?
Try swimming and see if that helps you out?
Koing
Running and healthier eating has gone on for about 3 months. Actually, the 3 miles/day has only gone on for about 2 weeks, as I wasn't in SHAPE three months ago to even try it. (I've worked up to it)
Already am seeing a cardioligst.
In fact, I give up. I want to be happy... who CARES if they have to put me on a beta blocker. If it will make me stop sweating and my heart stop RACING every 10 seconds then awesome.
I'm seeing my nephrologist Monday, and my cardiologist on Tuesday. I'll get whatever the nephrologist wants me to do and then run it by my cardiologist. If they both agree, I'd say its the right choice, no?
TraumaRN
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As long as it's what you want! Remember you have an opinion of whats going on, and it's your right and job as a patient to ask the tough questions and make sure you are getting the treatment that is going to treat your problems. And did you see my PM??
Yes.
Well, it started about 3 years ago. My blood pressure went up out of no where. Then I went to see a nephrologist, while STILL slowly gaining weight. I was 160 in High school. I got all the way up to 260! at times. My health over the past few years got worse and worse, even when they put me on medicine, but mind you I did continue to gain weight.
They put me on avapro and verapamil PM, which is what I take now. The doctor has considered replacing the verapamil with coreg (a beta blocker), which he says "Will fix all my problems"... but he's been saying that for YEARS. At the same time, I kept gaining weight, so I guess I wasn't helping myself at all.
Now I'm down to 220. So down 40 pounds, about 60 to go if I ever wanted to be back where I was when all of this started (or shortly after all of this started). About 3 months ago, I started working out. I've basically dropped 40 pounds in 4 months, but I only advertise it as "30 pounds" because that's the weight loss I've had since I 100% changed my diet/exercise (but I know from medical records I actually have lost more).
I'll admit, I don't have blood pressure spikes as much since I've worked out (sometimes it would get up to 190/80!, etc.). But my pulse is still really rapid. And I still get pressure headaches and such. Running gets rid of these (thats why I like running), but my pulse gets up to 180, then drops down to about 120-140 within 5-10 minutes of stopping, and finally down to about 100. BUT... it hardly ever drops below 100 for the first few HOURS after I run. If I run at night, I can usually get it to be in the 80's when I'm about to go to sleep. If I run in the morning, then around noon or one, if I'm just sitting around at work and not walking around or something, it will drop down to the 80's.
So now, I continue to work out, and I can only hope that with my "type a personality", dropping this extra weight will get me back down to normal levels. But the question is: Should I go on the beta blocker until that happens? I'm 22... and I have a VERY BIG SENSITIVITY to medicine as far as sexual side effects are concerned, so the beta blocker will probably harm me there (and no comments please, I know most people will say "What sexual life?"). I know my doctor said that one other option is to increase the dose of the veralin to 200 mg from 100 mg, which might help lower my pulse a bit further.... and stay the beta blocker.
That's the story.
TraumaRN
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First up, no offense pyonir, that kind of attitude is NOT needed, it is your right as a patient to ask tough questions of a doctor, odds are there are other medications or treatments. From someone who works with doctors every day at work trust me when I say they like it more when you ask questions and are open and discuss other options.
Secondly, a pulse of 88 at rest is fine, maybe a little high but pulse is dependant on person.
And about what your doctor says, honestly from a quick eval and my own knowledge of coreg and verapamil is that given what you've said I'd be more willing to take a higher dose of the verapamil than switch to Coreg, there is about a 15% chance of erectile dysfunction with coreg. Not to mention coreg and verapamil dont mix so you'd have to wait a day or two between switching meds probably.
You should also consider swimming as well if you are a decent swimmer. Swimming is very cardio intensive if done right. Check my other post about lowering hypertension near the top of the page.
Secondly, a pulse of 88 at rest is fine, maybe a little high but pulse is dependant on person.
And about what your doctor says, honestly from a quick eval and my own knowledge of coreg and verapamil is that given what you've said I'd be more willing to take a higher dose of the verapamil than switch to Coreg, there is about a 15% chance of erectile dysfunction with coreg. Not to mention coreg and verapamil dont mix so you'd have to wait a day or two between switching meds probably.
You should also consider swimming as well if you are a decent swimmer. Swimming is very cardio intensive if done right. Check my other post about lowering hypertension near the top of the page.
Alright. So I'll give in to verapamil and try to stay off the beta blocker as long as I can. If six months from now I am down below 200 and still have the same problem, I will deal with it then.
Drugs drugs drugs!
Drug to fix this
Drug to fix that
More drugs to fix it all
This is what's wrong with the healthcare industry.
Drugs are the only thing prescribed.
All the doctors and all the pfizer products in the world are useless.
Excercise.
Doesn't work?
Excercise more.
More excercise will be more effective than more drugs.
Drug to fix this
Drug to fix that
More drugs to fix it all
This is what's wrong with the healthcare industry.
Drugs are the only thing prescribed.
All the doctors and all the pfizer products in the world are useless.
Excercise.
Doesn't work?
Excercise more.
More excercise will be more effective than more drugs.
Agreed. I Know if I get down to < 180 I'll be really healthy........ question is, if I up the meds now, and then once I get down to that level, go off of them, will there be permanant damage?
TraumaRN
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No offense but ignorant post of the night. Yes some meds are overprescribed, but they help thousands of people everyday live normal lives. In the case of the OP he probably has essential or idiopathic hypertension, meaning they have no fvcking clue where it came from and it's quite possible no amount of exercise is going to lower his BP to levels that are acceptable. In his case and many others it's exercise AND drug therapy.
I realize some people think the pharm companies are evil and yes they do pull some lame and greedy sh!t(perfect example being Nexium) but most of the drugs they make save lives EVERY day. Have you ever seen what Atropine does to a coding patient? Ever seen albuterol adminstered when someone is having an asthma attack? Or what about knowing someone taking Isoniazid and Rifampin and controlling the spread of a disease that kills roughly 1 person worldwide every 15 seconds and I'm not referring to HIV/AIDS?
Originally posted by: iwantanewcomputer
Originally posted by: mjuszczak
Originally posted by: LiquidImpulse
have you tried intense cardio workouts? slowly increment your cardio daily and your heart rate should be better. also lots of water, clean those arteries! and on top of that, make sure you eat healthy
Three miles running a day isn't intense cardio?
And I eat healthy
no...millions of lazy unhealthy high school students do 3x that a day
sounds like me
cept im skinny as hell 
Koing
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I see. I read you have only been running 3 miles per day for 2 weeks that isn't enough time yet. Give it 3 months and see how you are.
RECORD YOUR TIMES and see how they go. Don't let the odd low time slip you up. You want the times to eventually come down :thumbsup:
Originally posted by: LiquidImpulse
Originally posted by: iwantanewcomputer
Originally posted by: mjuszczak
Originally posted by: LiquidImpulse
have you tried intense cardio workouts? slowly increment your cardio daily and your heart rate should be better. also lots of water, clean those arteries! and on top of that, make sure you eat healthy
Three miles running a day isn't intense cardio?
And I eat healthy
no...millions of lazy unhealthy high school students do 3x that a day
sounds like me
It depends how you run the 3miles. What time and what level of fitness you are in.
If you fancy and your knees are 'okay' do the sprint intervals on grass. This is far better imo then long drawn out cardio unless your goal is to hit say a 20minute 3mile or something you specifically target.
Keep it up :thumbsup:
Koing
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