Matrix Reloaded Reprised (Spoilers)

[XMan]

I saw it again, and something occured to me. It's still tumbling around in my brain, so I thought I'd throw it out there and see what your line of thinking was.

When the Keymaker was rescued, agents almost immediately became involved. This is understandable because the agents exist to police the Matrix from any shenanigans courtesy of freed minds. But it seemed that the Keymaker was their target - they even turned away from pursuing Trinity to after the Keymaker and attempt to delete me.

Now, assuming the agents serve the purposes of the Architect, why would this be? If the Keymaker was erased on top of the semi, Neo and the gang would have never reached the Source. But from what the Keymaker says, the Matrix is coming to a critical mass, and Neo's reaching the Source and choosing to reboot the Matrix or carry on is a pivotal turn.

So did the Architect lie? Or are the agents working independently of the Architect's authority?

 

[RyanM]

Originally posted by: X-Man
I saw it again, and something occured to me. It's still tumbling around in my brain, so I thought I'd throw it out there and see what your line of thinking was.

When the Keymaker was rescued, agents almost immediately became involved. This is understandable because the agents exist to police the Matrix from any shenanigans courtesy of freed minds. But it seemed that the Keymaker was their target - they even turned away from pursuing Trinity to after the Keymaker and attempt to delete me.

Now, assuming the agents serve the purposes of the Architect, why would this be? If the Keymaker was erased on top of the semi, Neo and the gang would have never reached the Source. But from what the Keymaker says, the Matrix is coming to a critical mass, and Neo's reaching the Source and choosing to reboot the Matrix or carry on is a pivotal turn.

So did the Architect lie? Or are the agents working independently of the Architect's authority?

Methinks this is the type of question that won't be answered until Revolutions.

I'd speculate, but that's no fun. I plan on going into the next one with less preconcieved notions than this one.

 

[amnesiac]

I think the architect just built the matrix and leaves it as a self-regulating service. The Agents are just the cleanup crew.
The Keymaker WAS their target -- they referred to him as "the exile"
Apparently exiled programs, or at least this one was more important than dealing with the freed minds.

 

[XMan]

Interesting little factoid about the first Matrix: Will Smith was offered the part of Neo but turned it down to make Wild Wild West.

Another thing . . . the Architect had to have been able to predict Neo's choice of doors by showing him Trinity in peril. Had he not done that, it's possible that Neo could have chosen the other door. So did the Architect goad Neo into making a choice he desired him to make? The Matrix didn't crash like the Architect claimed, obviously, but what other events were set into motion by Neo's decision?

(A second viewing is much recommended, BTW. I took a pee break during the rave scene. )

 

[Looney]

Or perhaps the Architect knew they would succeed... the Oracle had premonition abilities, and it would appear the Architech would as well (the screens in the Architect's room supports this too). But they needed the chase to convince Neo that the Oracle was on his side.

 

[Shlong]

Or maybe the Keymaker and Neo made it to the architect, and outwitted the agents in the previous matrixes thus nothing to worry about on the architect's part.

 

[Kev]

i dont think you need to say 'spoilers'

if someone is a member here and hasn't seen it yet they deserve to be banned

 

[XMan]

Originally posted by: maladroit
i dont think you need to say 'spoilers'

if someone is a member here and hasn't seen it yet they deserve to be banned

LOL.

I had my finger on the post button without it, but I knew for sure somebody would give me grief if I didn't put a spoiler warning in.

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: X-Man
Interesting little factoid about the first Matrix: Will Smith was offered the part of Neo but turned it down to make Wild Wild West.

Another thing . . . the Architect had to have been able to predict Neo's choice of doors by showing him Trinity in peril. Had he not done that, it's possible that Neo could have chosen the other door. So did the Architect goad Neo into making a choice he desired him to make? The Matrix didn't crash like the Architect claimed, obviously, but what other events were set into motion by Neo's decision?

(A second viewing is much recommended, BTW. I took a pee break during the rave scene. )

perhaps the prophecy really is TRUE, and the architect told Neo all that bullsh*t so that he WOULDN'T go to the source and destroy the matrix.

 

[theNEOone]

Originally posted by: MachFive
Methinks this is the type of question that won't be answered until Revolutions.

it's interesting that you bring this up, x-man. also realize that, having the agents go after the keymaker isn't the only thing that would prevent neo from reaching the source (assuming the agents had succeeded). ALMOST EVERYTHING in the first two movies goes against what the architect said....

[in the original matrix....]
1 - the agents trying to recruit neo to find and destroy morpheus
2 - the agents trying to prevent trinity from finding neo
3 - the agents sending sentinels to the nebuchazzer to destroy it
4 - the mutliple attempts at trying to kill neo
5 - the agents recruiting cypher to try and sabotage the nebuchanezzar crew
6 - agent smith shooting (and killing) neo
7 - etc.

the list goes on and on. there are probably at least 15 "close calls" that you could list that would have prohibited neo's journey and prevented him from reaching the source. it seems that the machines (through a coordinated effort within the matrix as well as in the real world) try to prevent neo from reaching the source.....it really leads me to believe that the architect was lieing. that being said though, i don't think this is the case.

 

[MustangSVT]

its all a plot to make us geeks watch the matrix revolution..


im pretty sure there is matrix within matrix.. probably several layers.

because if you watch the first matrix, oracle knows things that will happen in both the matrix AND the "supposed" real life.

 

[RyanM]

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: MachFive
Methinks this is the type of question that won't be answered until Revolutions.

it's interesting that you bring this up, x-man. also realize that, having the agents go after the keymaker isn't the only thing that would prevent neo from reaching the source (assuming the agents had succeeded). ALMOST EVERYTHING in the first two movies goes against what the architect said....

[in the original matrix....]
1 - the agents trying to recruit neo to find and destroy morpheus
2 - the agents trying to prevent trinity from finding neo
3 - the agents sending sentinels to the nebuchazzer to destroy it
4 - the mutliple attempts at trying to kill neo
5 - the agents recruiting cypher to try and sabotage the nebuchanezzar crew
6 - agent smith shooting (and killing) neo
7 - etc.

the list goes on and on. there are probably at least 15 "close calls" that you could list that would have prohibited neo's journey and prevented him from reaching the source. it seems that the machines (through a coordinated effort within the matrix as well as in the real world) try to prevent neo from reaching the source.....it really leads me to believe that the architect was lieing. that being said though, i don't think this is the case.

I think all those examples though go towards one of the very things the Architect DID say:

(NOT THE EXACT QUOTE) - All of those things happened to weed out the ones who weren't truly the One. Only the true one would have been able to go through all that and get to the source.

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: MachFive
Methinks this is the type of question that won't be answered until Revolutions.

it's interesting that you bring this up, x-man. also realize that, having the agents go after the keymaker isn't the only thing that would prevent neo from reaching the source (assuming the agents had succeeded). ALMOST EVERYTHING in the first two movies goes against what the architect said....

[in the original matrix....]
1 - the agents trying to recruit neo to find and destroy morpheus
2 - the agents trying to prevent trinity from finding neo
3 - the agents sending sentinels to the nebuchazzer to destroy it
4 - the mutliple attempts at trying to kill neo
5 - the agents recruiting cypher to try and sabotage the nebuchanezzar crew
6 - agent smith shooting (and killing) neo
7 - etc.

the list goes on and on. there are probably at least 15 "close calls" that you could list that would have prohibited neo's journey and prevented him from reaching the source. it seems that the machines (through a coordinated effort within the matrix as well as in the real world) try to prevent neo from reaching the source.....it really leads me to believe that the architect was lieing. that being said though, i don't think this is the case.

but at that point they didn't know neo was the one, so they were just doing their job trying to prevent minds from being freed.

besides, the architect probably designed them so the would be autonomous

 

[theNEOone]

Originally posted by: MachFive

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: MachFive
Methinks this is the type of question that won't be answered until Revolutions.

it's interesting that you bring this up, x-man. also realize that, having the agents go after the keymaker isn't the only thing that would prevent neo from reaching the source (assuming the agents had succeeded). ALMOST EVERYTHING in the first two movies goes against what the architect said....

[in the original matrix....]
1 - the agents trying to recruit neo to find and destroy morpheus
2 - the agents trying to prevent trinity from finding neo
3 - the agents sending sentinels to the nebuchazzer to destroy it
4 - the mutliple attempts at trying to kill neo
5 - the agents recruiting cypher to try and sabotage the nebuchanezzar crew
6 - agent smith shooting (and killing) neo
7 - etc.

the list goes on and on. there are probably at least 15 "close calls" that you could list that would have prohibited neo's journey and prevented him from reaching the source. it seems that the machines (through a coordinated effort within the matrix as well as in the real world) try to prevent neo from reaching the source.....it really leads me to believe that the architect was lieing. that being said though, i don't think this is the case.

I think all those examples though go towards one of the very things the Architect DID say:

(NOT THE EXACT QUOTE) - All of those things happened to weed out the ones who weren't truly the One. Only the true one would have been able to go through all that and get to the source.

i just took a look at the architect script and he never said that neo's trials had anything to do w/ weeding out those that were not the one.

anyway, all you needed to do was kill him in the matrix, and if he came back to life you've just gone and found him. there's no need for the multiple attempts at taking his life, not to mention the attacks on the nebuchanzzer which (because they were in real life) could not have been reversed had they been successful. (yah, it might be a matrix w/in matrix). and also remember that the keymaker said that only "the one" could walk through the door leading to the source. there's some more weeding right there. my point is that you don't need 20 different attempts to try and kill neo to prove he is the one.

 

[theNEOone]

but at that point they didn't know neo was the one, so they were just doing their job trying to prevent minds from being freed.

that's another thing that bothers me. the agents are in place to prevent people from being freed from the matrix. however, the architect says that if the 1% of minds that don't accept the programming start to accumulate in the matrix, then there will be a system failure. thus, this minds HAVE to be freed, otherwise the matrix will go to sh!t. so why make agents

besides, the architect probably designed them so the would be autonomous

yes, you're probably right. i guess there had to be some illusion that there was some kind of struggle to prevent minds from being free. i still don't see why that illusion had to be so damn prevalant. 1 or 2 close calls maybe.....but 15, 20?? common.


anyway like i said earlier, i'm pretty sure that the architect wasn't lieing. i'm just thinking of alternative interpretations.

 

[Kev]

that's another thing that bothers me. the agents are in place to prevent people from being freed from the matrix. however, the architect says that if the 1% of minds that don't accept the programming start to accumulate in the matrix, then there will be a system failure. thus, this minds HAVE to be freed, otherwise the matrix will go to sh!t. so why make agents

yes it is inevitable, maybe the agents are just there so they can slow the process down as much as possible.

now i know what trekkies feel like. reloaded made me such a nerd for the matrix

 

[hightechie]

me thinks it was a movie

 

[Taggart]

Originally posted by: theNEOone


i just took a look at the architect script

Do you have a link to this? I would love to see that part of the script!

 

[theNEOone]

Originally posted by: Taggart

Originally posted by: theNEOone


i just took a look at the architect script

Do you have a link to this? I would love to see that part of the script!

here you go

 

[ElFenix]

it was all pre-determined! like the NBA draft!

 

[Kev]

Originally posted by: hightechie
me thinks it was a movie

what did the architect say to make you believe this ?? :Q

 

[Taggart]

Originally posted by: theNEOone

Originally posted by: Taggart

Originally posted by: theNEOone


i just took a look at the architect script

Do you have a link to this? I would love to see that part of the script!

here you go

Thanks dude