math homework help - statics

alyarb

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http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/594924/statics.jpg

Finding theta is easy enough, but I can't come up with a strategy to get one magnitude twice the size of the other hand cancel out the weight force vector. Either i'm missing something obvious or there's going to be a system of equations... any thoughts welcome.
 

Jeff7

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Free body diagram?

Sum forces in X, sum forces in Y. Have you gotten to that kind of stuff yet?

(Don't forget to watch your units. Kilograms are not a measure of force. ;))



 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: Epic Fail
You mean physics homework help?
I covered this stuff in a class which was most certainly called "Statics." ;)


 

Hacp

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So this is what you learn in statistics? It looks like a physics problem!
 

Fenixgoon

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Originally posted by: Jeff7
Free body diagram?

Sum forces in X, sum forces in Y. Have you gotten to that kind of stuff yet?

(Don't forget to watch your units. Kilograms are not a measure of force. ;))

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Jeff7

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Originally posted by: Hacp
So this is what you learn in statistics? It looks like a physics problem!
Statics, dammit! ;)

Statistics != statics.



 

BoomerD

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I have a beginning algebra textbook...will that help? :p

(no, I haven't studied it...me is algebra stoopid.) :confused:
 

Grunt03

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This is a "physics" problem and if you need help let me know I will have my daughter post the solution. I have all of my children use this web sight to help with their math, try it and see if it helps.


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PieIsAwesome

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That seems like a pretty simple problem.

Use summation of forces in the x and y direction = 0. Find a relationship between the magnitude of CA and CB. So, something like:

SUM F_x = F_CB cos theta - F_CA cos 30 = 0
SUM F_y = F_CB sin theta + F_CA sin 30 - W = 0
F_CB = 2 F_CA
W = 10 ( 9.81)
 

Cogman

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Originally posted by: Epic Fail
You mean physics homework help?

Statics is to physics as biology is to chemistry. Both are just applied versions of the two fields.
 

Leros

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Statics is a subset of basic physics. There is statics (stationary systems) and dynamics (moving systems).
 

alyarb

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finding equilibrium is not the challenge; anyone pre-physics understands how to achieve equilibrium. the problem asks to find an equilibrium such that the magnitude of the right cable is twice that of the left (theta comes out to 64.34. no shit the i components have to add up to 98.1 N). none of you have posted a helpful expression other than the obvious equilibrium equations which are by their obvious nature not helpful. if the expression is so simple, how about you guys do some evaluating and i'll tell you if you're right.

yes statics is for children and physics is merely for chimps to perform while psychologists study the monkeys' work. physics is the simplest, most ubiquitously obvious mathematics, and anyone attempting a physics problem by hand should be diminutively ostracized, so on. i just wish someone would post something related to this problem rather than propose without proof that you are all academic giants.
 

Leros

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I don't understand. If you know both angles and you know the mass of the object, then you should be able to find the tensions by simple equilibrium equations.
 

PieIsAwesome

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Originally posted by: alyarb
finding equilibrium is not the challenge; anyone pre-physics understands how to achieve equilibrium. the problem asks to find an equilibrium such that the magnitude of the right cable is twice that of the left (theta comes out to 64.34. no shit the i components have to add up to 98.1 N). none of you have posted a helpful expression other than the obvious equilibrium equations which are by their obvious nature not helpful. if the expression is so simple, how about you guys do some evaluating and i'll tell you if you're right.

yes statics is for children and physics is merely for chimps to perform while psychologists study the monkeys' work. physics is the simplest, most ubiquitously obvious mathematics, and anyone attempting a physics problem by hand should be diminutively ostracized, so on. i just wish someone would post something related to this problem rather than propose without proof that you are all academic giants.

What the heck what warranted this sort of response? :confused:
Physics isn't easy, it is hard, but I always say that this or that is "simple" to give confidence, but I guess that doesn't work.

To solve for the 3 unknowns the problems is asking for you need 3 equations, 2 of which are the equilibrium equations and one of which is the relationship between the tensions in the cables. I already posted them. . . just solve.
 

Triumph

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Originally posted by: alyarb
finding equilibrium is not the challenge; anyone pre-physics understands how to achieve equilibrium. the problem asks to find an equilibrium such that the magnitude of the right cable is twice that of the left (theta comes out to 64.34. no shit the i components have to add up to 98.1 N). none of you have posted a helpful expression other than the obvious equilibrium equations which are by their obvious nature not helpful. if the expression is so simple, how about you guys do some evaluating and i'll tell you if you're right.

yes statics is for children and physics is merely for chimps to perform while psychologists study the monkeys' work. physics is the simplest, most ubiquitously obvious mathematics, and anyone attempting a physics problem by hand should be diminutively ostracized, so on. i just wish someone would post something related to this problem rather than propose without proof that you are all academic giants.

Dude, it's easy. The force in CB is 2 x CA. CB = 2CA.

Did you lay this out the way you are supposed to?
1. Draw FBD
2. List the unknowns
3. List the equations that you will use.

If you did number 1, you would have:
2. Force in CA, Force in CB, theta. That's 3 unknowns.
3. SumFx, SumFy, that's 2 equations. Where does your third equation come from? Like I said above, CB = 2CA.
CA = 42.6N

Now I've just done your homework for you, which is not the way to learn anything.

The only way you haven't found CA and CB yet, is by not summing your forces in Y.

My statics professor L.G. Kraige said exactly what I told you. All of these statics problems are the same, you draw your FBD, write out your number of unknowns, and write out your number of equations. WRITE. IT. OUT. Don't try to do it all in your head, at least not at first.