Mastercard site down after WL revenge DDoS attacks

[flexy]

http://www.businessinsider.com/cybe...ite-have-now-taken-down-mastercardcom-2010-12

and

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/blog/2010/dec/08/wikileaks-us-embassy-cables-live-updates

always good for updates...

 

[Vette73]

I don't care what side you are on a DoS attack against or for WL's is just dumb. I hope they go after ALL that have done any DoS attack and they all get jail time.

 

[Infohawk]

None of what is going on is worth this level of criminality and civil disobedience. It's not like wikileaks has discovered secret concentration camps or even government corruption.

What needs to be done long-term so that fringe groups don't have this power?

 

[Schadenfroh]

Thank you cyber-anarchists for disrupting the business of innocent consumers!

 

[Infohawk]

Thank you cyber-anarchists for disrupting the business of innocent consumers!

Obviously consumers are just like brainwashed sheeple who need to be woken up from the matrix... If you're not outraged that you don't get to know about diplomatic cables you're not paying attention. /sarcasm

 

[sunzt]

"Mastercard says working to suspend acceptance of mastercards on WikiLeaks until situation resolved."

What?

 

[her209]

What needs to be done long-term so that fringe groups don't have this power?

The only way is for government to be more transparent and open.

 

[cubby1223]

The only way is for government to be more transparent and open.

Nope. But nice try at an answer.

The government could become the most transparent & open as it possibly can, and the numbnut douchebags will still be there advocating anarchy.

 

[Infohawk]

The only way is for government to be more transparent and open.

That doesn't even follow...

You act like everyone agrees with Wikileaks. Why should everyone be subject to the whims of some juvenile hackers because said juvenile hackers think the US government is not transparent enough? There's always someone who's going to have a problem with the government. There remedy is through the courts or the polls, they don't get to be crybabies and get their way.

 

[her209]

Nope. But nice try at an answer.

The government could become the most transparent & open as it possibly can, and the numbnut douchebags will still be there advocating anarchy.

When you get your clearance, you're expected to divulge everything about your life. Wonder why?

 

[NaughtyGeek]

Beware the laws penned in response to the whole Wikileaks fiasco. All the "omgwtfterrarz" idiots will pee themselves with glee when the .gov officially nominates itself grand benevolent watcher of the internet and removes any content it deems harmful to the little peoples sensibilities. March along to the drum little lemmings, that's not the buzz saw of the slaughterhouse you hear. I hear the undertones already, "please please .gov, save us from these ruthless haxorz and their wicked ways." God forbid a means of protest is utilized that doesn't risk physical harm to any person's body be used.

 

[Infohawk]

Beware the laws penned in response to the whole Wikileaks fiasco. All the "omgwtfterrarz" idiots will pee themselves with glee when the .gov officially nominates itself grand benevolent watcher of the internet and removes any content it deems harmful to the little peoples sensibilities. March along to the drum little lemmings, that's not the buzz saw of the slaughterhouse you hear. I hear the undertones already, "please please .gov, save us from these ruthless haxorz and their wicked ways." God forbid a means of protest is utilized that doesn't risk physical harm to any person's body be used.

Do you prefer vigilantes over policemen too?

 

[Phokus]

That doesn't even follow...

You act like everyone agrees with Wikileaks. Why should everyone be subject to the whims of some juvenile hackers because said juvenile hackers think the US government is not transparent enough? There's always someone who's going to have a problem with the government. There remedy is through the courts or the polls, they don't get to be crybabies and get their way.

Lol, you actually believe this.

Thanks to wikileaks, i learned that the Bush administration pressured Germany not to prosecute CIA operatives who kidnapped an innocent man to be tortured and just dumped him in another country when they found out he was 'nobody'.

Courts and polls are not going to help when a) Courts have sided with the government on the grounds of 'state secrets' and b) this is country is fucking right-of-center and doesn't really give a shit if brown people are being tortured, innocent or not.

 

[Infohawk]

this is country is fucking right-of-center and doesn't really give a shit if brown people are being tortured, innocent or not.

So basically what you're saying is your only willing to abide by the rules of democracy if your people are in power. Your way or the highway huh?

 

[Phokus]

So basically what you're saying is your only willing to abide by the rules of democracy if your people are in power. Your way or the highway huh?

The rules of democracy include freedom of information. You cannot make a rational decision as a voter when your government hides stuff from you. And when things get really bad and atrocities happen and your country is full of dog shit nationalist right wingers who applaud it, then you REALLY need those things to come out in order to shame them. You cannot have democracy when there is no transparency.

 

[yllus]

DDOSes are dumb in general, but this is pretty dumb in specific in that Mastercard.com is hardly on the same infrastructure that handles actual credit card transactions.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

DDOSes are dumb in general, but this is pretty dumb in specific in that Mastercard.com is hardly on the same infrastructure that handles actual credit card transactions.

Yep, but when people are calling for the murder of Assange then the equal and opposite loonies come out.

 

[Infohawk]

The rules of democracy include freedom of information. You cannot make a rational decision as a voter when your government hides stuff from you. And when things get really bad and atrocities happen and your country is full of dog shit nationalist right wingers who applaud it, then you REALLY need those things to come out in order to shame them. You cannot have democracy when there is no transparency.

Democracies have always had state secrets. Sometimes states do things so bad people have to practice civil disobedience. We're not there. None of these revelations have suggested the US is so corrupt that you can't trust the courts or the ballots.

 

[halik]

an den? My mastercard still works.

 

[NaughtyGeek]

Do you prefer vigilantes over policemen too?

If the policemen are raping my wife, yep. There's two sides to every story with multiple versions in between. One person's good guy is another's villain.


I'm not supporting or disavowing wikileaks or their supporters, what frightens me is the general sense I get that people who are protesting in a non-violent way are being derided as criminals and that folks who disagree with this cause will lash out with ridiculous legislation in response to it. We'll all be made to suffer because of this regardless of the merits or lack thereof of wikileaks and it's supporters. I envision Patriot Act style legislation to govern the internet, the last bastion of truly free speech/expression left in existence.

 

[Blackjack200]

There remedy is through the courts or the polls, they don't get to be crybabies and get their way.

It's pretty funny that you say that when there are high profile politicians calling for Assange's assasination and the Government is putting pressure on businesses to sever ties to WL.

Have they broken any laws? If they have, why haven't they been charged? If not, why are they being punished?

I guess due process is only a concern when it's convenient.

 

[Phokus]

Democracies have always had state secrets. Sometimes states do things so bad people have to practice civil disobedience. We're not there. None of these revelations have suggested the US is so corrupt that you can't trust the courts or the ballots.

People who are tortured cannot get redress in court BECAUSE of state secrets privilege. Have you been hiding in a cave? Oh right, they're brown people, they don't count according to conservatives.

 

[Number1]

You should read the orgy of support wikileak is getting on the CBC web site. people are tripping over each other to publish ways to show each others how to attack American express. This, on a Canadian site paid for by tax payers.

 

[Infohawk]

People who are tortured cannot get redress in court BECAUSE of state secrets privilege. Have you been hiding in a cave? Oh right, they're brown people, they don't count according to conservatives.

Already resorting to the race card? The US courts have been reviewing the status of the detentions.

 

[Dissipate]

Do you prefer vigilantes over policemen too?

I do.