Master and Commander
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Ummmm....huh?
What movie did YOU watch? Was there even an island IN this...oh, wait, yeah there was. For about 1% of the length of the movie!
(In any case, FWIW, the movie WAS mediocre at best, but only because the book series is way, WAY better and the glurged too many of the books together into this one movie and kinda stupidified the whole thing for US audiences.)
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GLURGED??????Originally posted by: dderidex
Ummmm....huh?
What movie did YOU watch? Was there even an island IN this...oh, wait, yeah there was. For about 1% of the length of the movie!
(In any case, FWIW, the movie WAS mediocre at best, but only because the book series is way, WAY better and the glurged too many of the books together into this one movie and kinda stupidified the whole thing for US audiences.)
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WTF?
Has somebody not bothered to study history at all or anything?
Fire is just as much a danger to your OWN ship as it is to the enemy, hence it's kept in few places onboard and in tight control. SHORE batteries would regularly "heat the shot" up to cause fire if it hit and sat long enough in one spot, but ships couldn't afford to do that. Too much risk.
I strongly suggest you read up on combat in the age of sail sometime before making retarded comments.
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You mean in all history of naval warfare, no ship has been purposely set ablaze to sink it?
I guess you missed the part where they (the British) boarded the French ship and the French were baiting them.
Nice to see you getting all worked up.
BTW, isn't Age of Sail the name of a RTS video game?Well, of course they have. It just takes quite a bit of effort - not something you can do while in the middle of hand to hand combat.
And once you've *captured* the ship - no way in hell you'd try to burn it up, as they are fabulously expensive and difficult to make. Once you capture an enemy ship, it's yours. You put a prize crew on it, take it back to your empire, and it's added to your navy.
At any given time during the age of sail, 5-10% of a navy's fleet would be captured enemy ships. (Well, not ANY given time - during time of war, though)
Combat back then was not as impersonal and remote as it is now, and wars were fought MUCH more frequently and generally fought between "civilized" powers. There was no dishonor in surrender if you were outmatched, as your crew would just be captured, detained, and traded back to the enemy after the war for their captures of your crews.
Nice to see you getting all worked up.
A fairly crappy one, but yes.
Seriously, though, you show a rather shocking lack of knowledge on the topic. I'd recommend the Aubrey/Maturin book series, as it's pretty good fiction on the topic. The first one is "Master and Commander" and parts of the movie were taken from it. The Horatio Hornblower novels are also very good, and the A&E movies based on those novels (available on DVD) quite competently done.
To be sure, there were a few stupid things in the movie:
* Cmdr. Aubrey being somewhat amazed by the "camouflage" ability of one of Maturin's insects and having that inspire him to camouflage his ship. This is stupid. Camouflaging your ship to make it look like an enemy ship was a COMMON TACTIC of that era. In fact, it was routine - for example, a ship would virtually NEVER fly the flag of its own nation once sighting another ship. As a 'rule of war', the true flag must be raised at least before you open fire....but this was historically done usually as the cannons were being lit.
* General goofiness with the enemy. The 'Acheron' from the movie (French ship) was, in the book, the American ship USS Norfolk. An important difference, since the unique style of construction specifically brought to our attention was exclusively used by American frigates - and was a closely guarded state secret (IE., the US would never, never, EVER sell a ship of that construction to any other power)
DanTMWTMP
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Originally posted by: tk149
I liked it.
I thought it conveyed the feel (fear) of old maritime combat quite well.
hehe although the movie was paced rather slowly, i enjoyed it. the stress and possible distrust btwn the crew members and such were portrayed prett well imo.
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