Massive voter fraud discovered in North Carolina

[boomerang]

A 28 state crosscheck of voter rolls done through the Interstate Crosscheck system has turned up tens of thousands of fraudulent votes in North Carolina alone.

http://philberger.com/news/entry/ti...ed-alarming-evidence-of-voter-error-and-fraud

• 765 voters with an exact match of first and last name, DOB and last four digits of SSN were registered in N.C. and another state and voted in N.C. and the other state in the 2012 general election.
• 35,750 voters with the same first and last name and DOB were registered in N.C. and another state and voted in both states in the 2012 general election.

State elections officials seek tighter security

Raleigh, N.C. — State elections officials said Wednesday that they're investigating hundreds of cases of voters who appear to have voted in two states and several dozen who appear to have voted after their deaths.

State lawmakers last year mandated the State Board of Elections to enter into an "Interstate Crosscheck" – a compact of 28 states that agreed to check their voter registration records against those of other states. The program is run by a Kansas consortium, checking 101 million voter records. The largest states – CA, FL, NY, and TX – are not part of the consortium.

So, 101 million voters and tens of thousands in North Carolina alone. Just how widespread is voter fraud?

Massive Voter Fraud Discovered in North Carolina's 2012 Election

The findings, while large, leave open the question of just how widespread double voting might be since 22 states did not participate in the Interstate Crosscheck.

In addition to the above, the crosscheck found that more than 13,000 deceased voters remain on North Carolina’s rolls, and that 81 of them showed voter activity in their records after death.

 

[Pens1566]

And requiring a picture ID wouldn't prevent it. Next.

 

[fskimospy]

Given the OPs history I wouldn't be that surprised if this turns out to be bullshit anyway, but even if it isn't then I'm sure he will be first in line to demand a ban on absentee ballots, which are nearly certain to be the vehicle for this activity.

Wait. Who am I kidding?

 

[PokerGuy]

But ..... but... there is no voter fraud! Haven't you heard lots of idiots tell us that for years even though there is no real effective mechanism to actually determine if there is fraud going on or not? OP must be racist, homophobic, sexist, genderist or whatever is currently most politically incorrect

 

[Bowfinger]

Here's a more balanced article about this study: http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/04/02/3752992/nc-voter-audit-suggests-widespread.html

The next step is researching each of these potential frauds to determine whether there was actual fraud. As the article notes, in similar past studies the overwhelming majority were found to be clerical errors, different people with the same name, etc. I hope NC follows through with a thorough investigation and actually prosecutes those who did commit voting fraud (as opposed to Arizona, for example, where the Republican Attorney General blew plenty of smoke about how horrible their fraud was but couldn't be bothered to get off his butt and do anything).

 

[Bowfinger]

But ..... but... there is no voter fraud! Haven't you heard lots of idiots tell us that for years even though there is no real effective mechanism to actually determine if there is fraud going on or not? OP must be racist, homophobic, sexist, genderist or whatever is currently most politically incorrect

I love the smell of straw men in the morning. For the umpteenth time, the accurate representation of the issues are:

1. The level of in-person voting fraud is miniscule
2. There are mechanisms to calculate the amount of in-person fraud and they confirm it is miniscule
3. Preventing such in-person fraud by requiring current, state-issued, photo IDs will disenfranchise millions of eligible voters
4. Other forms of voter fraud, e.g., absentee ballots, are far more serious and legitimate issues that the RNC suppression cheerleaders ignore because absentee ballots are critical to Republicans' success.

You seem to be quickly falling back into a habit of useless parroting of RNC talking points.

 

[HomerJS]

OP is full of crap.

From an actual interview...

"Could it be voter fraud? Sure, it could be voter fraud," Strach said. "Could it be an error on the part of a precinct person choosing the wrong person's name in the first place? It could be. We're looking at each of these individual cases."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...tial-voter-fraud-uncovered-in-north-carolina/

Are you guys that anxious to prove something that doesn't exist?

More accurate title would be

"Voter count inconsistency under investigation"

Notice how all the bullshit articles titled already proven voter fraud are coming from Fox??

Even in this article would they have us believe 765 people voted in one state then got in their cars, drove to another state and voted??

 

[nehalem256]

OP is full of crap.

From an actual interview...

"Could it be voter fraud? Sure, it could be voter fraud," Strach said. "Could it be an error on the part of a precinct person choosing the wrong person's name in the first place? It could be. We're looking at each of these individual cases."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...tial-voter-fraud-uncovered-in-north-carolina/

Are you guys that anxious to prove something that doesn't exist?

More accurate title would be

"Voter count inconsistency under investigation"

Impossible. According to liberals that error would have been immediately obvious when the person with that name turned up to vote

 

[HomerJS]

Impossible. According to liberals that error would have been immediately obvious when the person with that name turned up to vote

Since records of voter at the polls are by name any chance between two states 765 people have the same name?

Bet the farm this is just some ginned up accusation so Fox and righties will have talking points and post articles with titles claiming something unproven.

Fox News television will have thing to talk about "some people say" voter fraud in NC

When this turns out to be a big fat nothing they will go back to Benghazi.

 

[nehalem256]

Since records of voter at the polls are by name any chance between two states 765 people have the same name?

765 voters with an exact match of first and last name, DOB and last four digits of SSN

You appear to have ignored the part about DOB and SSN. So, yes I am going to say it is exceedingly unlikely for 2 people to have the same name, DOB, and last 4 digits of the SSN.

 

[boomerang]

OP is full of crap.

From an actual interview...


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...tial-voter-fraud-uncovered-in-north-carolina/

Are you guys that anxious to prove something that doesn't exist?

More accurate title would be

"Voter count inconsistency under investigation"

Notice how all the bullshit articles titled already proven voter fraud are coming from Fox??

Even in this article would they have us believe 765 people voted in one state then got in their cars, drove to another state and voted??

Let me make sure I've got this straight.

I don't link to Fox or quote Fox.
You link to Fox and quote Fox despite your endless and ongoing declarations that Fox does not do honest reporting.
Therefore, it's all bullshit because of a quote at the Fox site.

I don't think you're bright enough to even vote.

 

[boomerang]

Since records of voter at the polls are by name any chance between two states 765 people have the same name?

Same name, same DOB and same SS number for those 765. Maybe you can find someone to read it to you?

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

 

[WackyDan]

Since records of voter at the polls are by name any chance between two states 765 people have the same name?

Bet the farm this is just some ginned up accusation so Fox and righties will have talking points and post articles with titles claiming something unproven.

Fox News television will have thing to talk about "some people say" voter fraud in NC

When this turns out to be a big fat nothing they will go back to Benghazi.

"765 voters with an exact match of first and last name, DOB and last four digits of SSN were registered in N.C. and another state and voted in N.C. and the other state in the 2012 general election."

Read much? Those are the ones I'm most interested in. Same names? Sure...DOB? Sure... Add the last four of the SSN plus those other two and it becomes something bit more suspicious don't you think? Considering there are three states connected to NC and one (GA) not too far through SC, these duplicate votes could be real, and they should be prosecuted if so.

If you are suggesting that these 700+ are not suspect or do constitute a problem then I'm at a loss to understand your motivations.

 

[Bowfinger]

You appear to have ignored the part about DOB and SSN. So, yes I am going to say it is exceedingly unlikely for 2 people to have the same name, DOB, and last 4 digits of the SSN.

Same name, same DOB and same SS number for those 765. Maybe you can find someone to read it to you?

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt."

"765 voters with an exact match of first and last name, DOB and last four digits of SSN were registered in N.C. and another state and voted in N.C. and the other state in the 2012 general election."

Read much? Those are the ones I'm most interested in. Same names? Sure...DOB? Sure... Add the last four of the SSN plus those other two and it becomes something bit more suspicious don't you think? Considering there are three states connected to NC and one (GA) not too far through SC, these duplicate votes could be real, and they should be prosecuted if so.

If you are suggesting that these 700+ are not suspect or do constitute a problem then I'm at a loss to understand your motivations.

And that's why they need to investigate each one. Based on past reviews, this is often due to a clerical error. For example, John Paul Smith and John Adam Smith are both registered in the same precinct, and are listed next to each other on the voter rolls. "Paul" moves to another state. "Adam" votes normally, but the poll worker marks the wrong name, i.e., checks off the wrong John Smith. "Paul" votes in his new state. Now a computer cross check finds John Paul Smith voted twice in two different states, but that John Adam Smith didn't vote at all. It's a clerical error.

 

[boomerang]

35,750 with the same first name same last name and same DOB? That are registered to vote and voted in two states? Not buying that this is not voter fraud.

I think it's really telling that an issue that one would think everyone would support, that being a compact between states to clean up voter rolls, generates an uproar from the left. This is a great time to do it. Lots of time before November to iron out any errors.

As a former administrator of multiple databases, I know the importance of good data. Cleaning up voter rolls benefits everyone.

 

[HomerJS]

35,750 with the same first name same last name and same DOB? That are registered to vote and voted in two states? Not buying that one.

I think it's really telling that an issue that one would think everyone would support, that being a compact between states to clean up voter rolls, generates an uproar from the left. This is a great time to do it. Lots of time before November to iron out any errors.

As a former administrator of multiple databases, I know the importance of good data. Cleaning up voter rolls benefits everyone.

We already know problem with mishandling of votes by precinct vs in person voter impersonation is 100,000 to 1.

Why hasn't the GOP proposed anything on that front?

 

[PokerGuy]

I love the smell of straw men in the morning. For the umpteenth time, the accurate representation of the issues are:

1. The level of in-person voting fraud is miniscule
2. There are mechanisms to calculate the amount of in-person fraud and they confirm it is miniscule

While I believe the amount of in-person fraud to be small, we don't have mechanism to prove that. If I choose not to vote and and someone else pretends to be me and votes at the polls (since they don't need to show ID), there's nothing that will show that fraud occurred, and there's no way after the fact to determine what the level of such fraud was.

Preventing such in-person fraud by requiring current, state-issued, photo IDs will disenfranchise millions of eligible voters

Baloney, there is no proof of this, there are assertions of such a possibility, usually by leftists.

Other forms of voter fraud, e.g., absentee ballots, are far more serious and legitimate issues that the RNC suppression cheerleaders ignore because absentee ballots are critical to Republicans' success.

Aside from idiotic nonsense about "suppression cheerleaders" and other such drivel, I don't think there's much debate that there is much more potential for fraud with absentee ballots. I'm in favor of good controls around all forms of voting (absentee, in person, whatever, it doesn't matter).

 

[Greenman]

There is no problem, and no possible solution to the problem if it existed, therefor this must be a racist plot to stop minority's from voting.

I think we should go to the honer system and set up elections the same way they do votes on reality tv shows. You simply call or text in your vote. Heck, we could do the whole presentational election as a reality tv show. It would allow us to focus on the really important aspects of being president. Who's best at mouthing a platitude, who's the fastest back peddler, and perhaps the most critical aspect of being president, who has the best hair.

 

[HomerJS]

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While I believe the amount of in-person fraud to be small, we don't have mechanism to prove that. If I choose not to vote and and someone else pretends to be me and votes at the polls (since they don't need to show ID), there's nothing that will show that fraud occurred, and there's no way after the fact to determine what the level of such fraud was.






Baloney, there is no proof of this, there are assertions of such a possibility, usually by leftists.






Aside from idiotic nonsense about "suppression cheerleaders" and other such drivel, I don't think there's much debate that there is much more potential for fraud with absentee ballots. I'm in favor of good controls around all forms of voting (absentee, in person, whatever, it doesn't matter).

So choosing a form of ID disproportionately owned by one side will have no effect on the election?? How about proof of ID everyone has like a utility bill?

But we can't do that because...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8

 

[WackyDan]

And that's why they need to investigate each one. Based on past reviews, this is often due to a clerical error. For example, John Paul Smith and John Adam Smith are both registered in the same precinct, and are listed next to each other on the voter rolls. "Paul" moves to another state. "Adam" votes normally, but the poll worker marks the wrong name, i.e., checks off the wrong John Smith. "Paul" votes in his new state. Now a computer cross check finds John Paul Smith voted twice in two different states, but that John Adam Smith didn't vote at all. It's a clerical error.

Sorry... but with the matching last four in SSN I would tend to think there is more to it than something simply clerical.

 

[boomerang]

I really enjoy watching the leftists wrack their brains coming up with strawman rationalizations for why what is happening, isn't happening. It's pure entertainment.

 

[fskimospy]

I love watching the rubes like boommerang credulously swallow whatever news story shows up, so long as it tells them what they want to hear.

It doesn't matter that so many similar reports like this in the past have turned out to be massively overblown or just entirely bullshit, it doesn't matter that the voter id measures he constantly pushes for would have done nothing to prevent this, he thinks that if he shows that some fraud happened somewhere that this validates his opinion and hurts the other political sports team.

If you ever wonder why there are so many people making huge amounts of money off of bilking gullible conservatives, people like the OP are a great example.

 

[brycejones]

OP, please explain how voter ID requirements would prevent this from happening in the future.

What measures do you propose to address this specific issue?

 

[nehalem256]

So choosing a form of ID disproportionately owned by one side will have no effect on the election?? How about proof of ID everyone has like a utility bill?

But we can't do that because...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuOT1bRYdK8

Maybe because anyone with a laser printer could print out a fake utility bill? :hmm:

 

[Bowfinger]

Sorry... but with the matching last four in SSN I would tend to think there is more to it than something simply clerical.

Then you probably shouldn't be attacking others' reading abilities. The example I provided exactly explains how that can happen, and indeed how it has happened in past investigations. I'm not suggesting it explains 100% of the discrepancies found, which is why I continue to agree that all should be investigated. It does, however, show why the OP has likely once again been duped by the overblown partisan propaganda he guzzles so eagerly.