Massive earthquake in Turkey

IronWing

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Muse

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Five tectonic plates bump up against each other in Turkey. Predicting a large earthquake for Turkey is like predicting rain for Seattle.

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Edit: Map showing today's quake and nearby faults
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Yes, there have been many very big earthquakes there over the years. Not the least bit surprised to hear they had a big one just now.

On average, IIRC, there are about two ~8.0 EQ's a year on earth.
 

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I awoke this morning to what sounded like a bomb going off in buffalo ny. We had a small quake here as well. Scared the crap out me. I thought something hit the house maybe?
 

K1052

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From what I understand the types of construction prevalent in this part of the world are basically deathtraps in an earthquake.

Causality figures likely to be well beyond current estimates.
 
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So we were inside this failed manufacturing plant, and I could see there was a big crack at one of these joints—big enough that I could get my hand in to see how many reinforcing rods were in there. I put my hand in, and I pulled out a hunk of Styrofoam. The world would be a safer place if concrete was translucent. This is the problem: it’s too easy to cheat.

The sleazeballs responsible for putting styrofoam in buildings are probably safe somewhere.

Good advice:

If people want to do one thing—and it costs $1—to make themselves safer in earthquake country, put an international orange whistle on your keychain. And the reason is: if you’re trapped in a building, no one is ever going to try to dig you out unless they know you’re alive. You can’t yell for very long before you use up all your moisture, nor can you be heard very far. With this whistle, you can be really loud for a really long time.
 

Saylick

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From what I understand the types of construction prevalent in this part of the world are basically deathtraps in an earthquake.

Causality figures likely to be well beyond current estimates.
*puts on structural engineering hat*

The usual causes of poor seismic performance in underdeveloped regions are the ones most people can understand: it's a combination of underdeveloped building codes (i.e. the code doesn't prescribe the necessary detailing to produce a seismically performant building), shoddy construction (i.e. cutting corners and not building per the drawings), and questionable building design (i.e. building layout introduces inherent vulnerabilities in the structure, such as having a taller ground floor).

Given how these conditions typically occur simultaneously in poor countries, it's hard to blame them when earthquakes don't happen often enough for people to take them seriously. Cheap construction outweighs paying more for that once in a lifetime risk. Unfortunately, when a big one does happen and you have loss of life, it's already too late. The saddest part is that when they clear the rubble and start to rebuild, the quality of construction is not likely going to be any better than what it replaced. Even over in California where I operate, getting the public to start thinking about earthquakes is a tough sell because of how seldom big ones happen. There's a ton of buildings within major cities out here on the west coast that were built prior to building codes with modern-ish seismic provisions. Convincing building owners to spend money to retrofit them gets political because they don't want to bear the cost, yet their tenant(s) would obviously sue them if something were to happen. As a result, seismic retrofits rarely happen voluntarily.

For these reasons, ironically enough, the best thing that can happen for earthquake awareness is a major earthquake. Once it happens and there's severe consequences, you have to strike while the iron is hot to roll out sweeping legislation to 1) improve the design of new buildings via any lessons learned by surveying the buildings damaged in the seismic event and 2) mandate the seismic retrofit of any remaining vulnerable buildings.

*puts back on PC hardware enthusiast hat*
 
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