Massachusetts Attempts To Nullify Their Citizens Votes In Presidential Elections

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Patranus

Patranus

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As The Boston Globe reports today (July 20), Massachusetts could become the sixth state — along with Illinois, New Jersey, Hawaii, Maryland and Washington — to pass legislation that would skip the Electoral College system altogether. Under the new plan, the state would hand all of its 12 electors to the winner of the national popular vote, even if that candidate didn’t win in Massachusetts itself.
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http://www.stateline.org/live/details/story?contentId=499869

Hope the people of Massachusetts enjoy not being represented.
 
waggy

waggy

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yeah not suer i like how this is going.

im not sure popular vote is the way to go either.
 
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Genx87

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The stupidity of people is amazing. Lets give away our electoral votes to Florida, California, and Texas. They should complete the process by also giving away their house representatives.
 
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piasabird

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How do they know what the popular vote count is?

What I mean is that many states like California, if the vote count is overwhelmingly in favor of a specific presidential candidat, just quit counting and dont even bother to count the absentee ballots. So you dont really know what the popular vote winner is unless you count all the absentee ballots wich may take 45 days.

The whole concept is absurd.
 
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Vette73

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STATES RIGHTS!!!

Oh wait, thats right you only want states rights when it fits your agenda.
 
Patranus

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Marlin1975 said:
STATES RIGHTS!!!

Oh wait, thats right you only want states rights when it fits your agenda.
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No one is saying that it is not within their right to do this rather the entire idea is stupid and actually weakens that states rights.
 
sandorski

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Isn't it the State Legislatures who choose where the Votes go. IIRC, the current system(Voter selected) isn't even the Original System(State Politician selected). If that's the case, there's certainly no Constitutional problem here and to say they nullified their Citizens Votes is ridiculous(notes OP and nods knowingly).
 
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Genx87

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sandorski said:
Isn't it the State Legislatures who choose where the Votes go. IIRC, the current system(Voter selected) isn't even the Original System(State Politician selected). If that's the case, there's certainly no Constitutional problem here and to say they nullified their Citizens Votes is ridiculous(notes OP and nods knowingly).
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I dont believe anybody proposed there was a consitutional problem. The state is free to do what they want with their electoral votes. We are simply pointing out the stupidity of allowing their votes be determined by other states.
 
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woolfe9999

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Once again, Patranus' thread title is inaccurate. Mass is not choosing to "nullify" the votes of its residents. It is choosing to forego the electoral college system (maintaining it in name only) and simply add the votes of its state to the national popular vote, which in turn will determine how its electors vote. Many people prefer that presidential elections be determined by popular vote so that we don't get a candidate losing the popular vote but winning the election (as in 2000.) Whatever the merits of Mass' position on this, they aren't nullifying the votes of their residents.

- wolf
 
Capt Caveman

Capt Caveman

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woolfe9999 said:
Once again, Patranus' thread title is inaccurate. Mass is not choosing to "nullify" the votes of its residents. It is choosing to forego the electoral college system (maintaining it in name only) and simply add the votes of its state to the national popular vote, which in turn will determine how its electors vote. Many people prefer that presidential elections be determined by popular vote so that we don't get a candidate losing the popular vote but winning the election (as in 2000.) Whatever the merits of Mass' position on this, they aren't nullifying the votes of their residents.

- wolf
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Correct, unfortunately most folks here aren't very bright.

MotF Bane said:
Massachusetts sucks.
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Please leave.
 
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MotF Bane

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woolfe9999 said:
Once again, Patranus' thread title is inaccurate. Mass is not choosing to "nullify" the votes of its residents. It is choosing to forego the electoral college system (maintaining it in name only) and simply add the votes of its state to the national popular vote, which in turn will determine how its electors vote. Many people prefer that presidential elections be determined by popular vote so that we don't get a candidate losing the popular vote but winning the election (as in 2000.) Whatever the merits of Mass' position on this, they aren't nullifying the votes of their residents.

- wolf
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Actually, it's fairly accurate. So, let's say Palin runs against Obama in '12. Obama will of course take MA, since it's MA. Palin takes 50% of the popular vote, Obama takes 49%, and 1% goes to other parties. Despite the fact that MA voted for Obama, the electoral votes go to the candidate that MA residents do not want. Do you see it now? It may or may not end up changing an outcome, but it's the principle of the matter.
 
dfuze

dfuze

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I'm not up on electoral law, but isn't the electoral college a federal law, and if it is, is MA really allowed to change their method of voting?
 
waggy

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MotF Bane said:
Actually, it's fairly accurate. So, let's say Palin runs against Obama in '12. Obama will of course take MA, since it's MA. Palin takes 50% of the popular vote, Obama takes 49%, and 1% goes to other parties. Despite the fact that MA voted for Obama, the electoral votes go to the candidate that MA residents do not want. Do you see it now? It may or may not end up changing an outcome, but it's the principle of the matter.
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yeap. it could lead to that.
 
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MotF Bane

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dfuze said:
I'm not up on electoral law, but isn't the electoral college a federal law, and if it is, is MA really allowed to change their method of voting?
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I believe it is the idea that MA (or any state) can change how it distributes and uses the electoral college system, but they cannot simply do away with it.
 
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MotF Bane

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boomerang said:
That's right. So, the six million dollar question is...what's the real reason behind this?

There's an angle here. I haven't put my finger on it quite yet.
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Perhaps that they are still upset about Gore losing? Or to get this passed long before the next Presidential election cycle? Trying to influence the governor's race? Who knows.
 
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