Mass Israeli youth protests results in higher taxes on the rich and corporations

[Phokus]

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/...08207287&ref=notif&notif_t=open_graph_comment

[caption: Demonstrators pack the streets on September 3, 2011 in Tel Aviv, Israel. An estimated 400,000 Israelis protested across the country against rising housing prices and social inequalities in the Jewish state.]

Oh hey, look at those damn college hippies can't get anything do---- oh wait.

 

[gevorg]

All they had to do is call uncle Sam for a bigger check.

 

[MagickMan]

They're demonstrating in the middle of a war zone, so they have a lot more leverage. Also, we're talking a tax hike of a few percent, not the lol95% rate that some in OWS want.

 

[Lanyap]

I didn't know they had hippies in Israel.

 

[Jhhnn]

They're demonstrating in the middle of a war zone, so they have a lot more leverage. Also, we're talking a tax hike of a few percent, not the lol95% rate that some in OWS want.

Oh, please. It's not a war zone at all- the Israelis have the pals & their immediate neighbors where they want 'em, under the heel of their boot... the pals are still squirming, however.

If you want to claim that the most extreme views represent the majority of OWS, then I should remind you that Grover Norquist once compared progressive income taxes to the holocaust, and Steve Schwarzman offered that raising the tax rate on his enormous income from 15% to 20% would be like the invasion of Poland...

Apparently, having insane wealth means you can engage in crazy talk with impunity...

 

[MagickMan]

Oh, please. It's not a war zone at all- the Israelis have the pals & their immediate neighbors where they want 'em, under the heel of their boot... the pals are still squirming, however.

If you want to claim that the most extreme views represent the majority of OWS, then I should remind you that Grover Norquist once compared progressive income taxes to the holocaust, and Steve Schwarzman offered that raising the tax rate on his enormous income from 15% to 20% would be like the invasion of Poland...

Apparently, having insane wealth means you can engage in crazy talk with impunity...

Really? Because I think when rockets are fired into your neighborhood and your family is killed by suicide bombers, it's a war zone. Where were you raised? Beirut?

I don't give a fuck what Steve Schwarzman says, a common stance with the OWS crowd is a "progressive" income tax up to 95% for top earners. That's bullshit. Personally, I don't see much wrong with raising the federal long-term cap gains for those top people up to, say, 25% (a 75% increase over the 15% they're paying now), but more than that is usury. You have to remember, they're also paying a tax to the state, and often the city and/or county they live in.

 

[Ichigo]

Really? Because I think when rockets are fired into your neighborhood and your family is killed by suicide bombers, it's a war zone. Where were you raised? Beirut?

I don't give a fuck what Steve Schwarzman says, a common stance with the OWS crowd is a "progressive" income tax up to 95% for top earners. That's bullshit. Personally, I don't see much wrong with raising the federal long-term cap gains for those top people up to, say, 25% (a 75% increase over the 15% they're paying now), but more than that is usury. You have to remember, they're also paying a tax to the state, and often the city and/or county they live in.

You're going to have to quote a source or something to reference that perspective being "common". Unless you meant "common" as in "It's quite common for men to be colourblind" percentage common.

Anyway, it's a little bit funny how you're okay with increasing the marginal tax rate by a few percent. I think that by repealing the Bush tax cuts, that would have had the same effect, but when that was under discussion no one wanted to consider it at all (because you shouldn't hurt "job-creators"). Now that people have gotten riled up and started to be more demanding, suddenly a few percent isn't looking so bad. So you can start to see the point of these protests if you're being influenced as such.

Also, you don't understand the definition of usury.

 

[MagickMan]

You're going to have to quote a source or something to reference that perspective being "common". Unless you meant "common" as in "It's quite common for men to be colourblind" percentage common.

Anyway, it's a little bit funny how you're okay with increasing the marginal tax rate by a few percent. I think that by repealing the Bush tax cuts, that would have had the same effect, but when that was under discussion no one wanted to consider it at all (because you shouldn't hurt "job-creators"). Now that people have gotten riled up and started to be more demanding, suddenly a few percent isn't looking so bad. So you can start to see the point of these protests if you're being influenced as such.

Also, you don't understand the definition of usury.

I never said "common", I said that it happens, and it happens with enough frequency that it invokes a lot of fear in the population.

I have no problem with repealing the Bush tax cuts on the wealthiest of Americans, I just think that a "progressive" tax of >25% on long-term cap gains is absurd.

The term "usury" is fine in this instance. A tax is the same as an investment in a nation, state, or city. An excessive rate of tax is inexcusable and immoral.

 

[Craig234]

I never said "common", I said that it happens, and it happens with enough frequency that it invokes a lot of fear in the population.

I have no problem with repealing the Bush tax cuts on the wealthiest of Americans, I just think that a "progressive" tax of >25% on long-term cap gains is absurd.

The term "usury" is fine in this instance. A tax is the same as an investment in a nation, state, or city. An excessive rate of tax is inexcusable and immoral.

Remarkable. This forum might save a lot of its disk space if it eliminated posts with the 'I never said that' falsehood.

"a common stance with the OWS crowd "

"I never said "common""

In the very previous post.

 

[MagickMan]

Remarkable. This forum might save a lot of its disk space if it eliminated posts with the 'I never said that' falsehood.

"a common stance with the OWS crowd "

"I never said "common""

In the very previous post.

I thought he was addressing the frequency of the attacks, not the position of the OWS crowd. Go back and read the context, jackass. I followed that by saying, "I said that it happens, and it happens with enough frequency that it invokes a lot of fear in the population" in the same sentence. I may have occasional brain farts, but yours never appears to stop.

 

[DesiPower]

400k out of 7.5 million show up in one place. By these numbers, roughly 18 million people will have to show up at Washington to get something done. Currently the numbers are too low. Soros and his kind are doing his best but its simply not enough.

 

[Orignal Earl]

I don't think calling this a youth movement is correct.
I've been watching since the beginning and some of the most popular protesters have been elderly.
If the American version can keep it up till the end of Dec it will start to compare

Funny that the Israeli gov, did not consider sending in the bulldozers but they did in America

p.s.- take a look at a lot of the pics, look at all the signs in support of Pals

 

[Macamus Prime]

I wonder when the slime sack "conservatives" of these forums will point and laugh, as they wish all the horrible things on OWS, happen to this movement,...

 

[Macamus Prime]

p.s.- take a look at a lot of the pics, look at all the signs in support of Pals

And in some of them, they are wearing masks!!! They are terrorists!!!

And one of them is on a mobile phone!! She is probably paying $100 a month for her plan - WHAT A CONTRADICTION!! This dirty hippy can afford a monthly cell phone bill, but can't pay her taxes!!

ZOMG!!!shift+1!!!! LOLLERSKATES!!!

/End P&N Fingerman Impression

 

[Atreus21]

If you're making a ton of money, shouldn't some of that money belong to me?

Because I want it.

 

[IBMer]

If you're making a ton of money, shouldn't some of that money belong to me?

Because I want it.

I love statements like this.

Tell me if someone gets a 30 million dollar bonus from their company, did they do 30 million dollars worth of work?

There is only one pie and if almost all of the pie is going to a small group and the rest have to divide what is left, there isn't a magical way to make the left over piece suddenly bigger.

What is not paid in wages and benefits will be taken out in taxes to pay for social services to cover what isn't already covered in wages and benefits.

 

[Moonbeam]

Hehehehe, Israel's best critics are Jews. We are all the same and every newborn child is born with a sense of what is fair and what is unjust and nothing will ever change that.

 

[Nebor]

While I'm not a fan of OWS, I applaud the Israeli's action and results.

 

[Atreus21]

I love statements like this.

Tell me if someone gets a 30 million dollar bonus from their company, did they do 30 million dollars worth of work?

And you appoint yourself the arbiter of what is deserved and what is not? What business is it of yours if I choose to voluntarily give someone $30 million dollars because I feel like it?

There is only one pie and if almost all of the pie is going to a small group and the rest have to divide what is left, there isn't a magical way to make the left over piece suddenly bigger.

If that's true, then how did you get your cell phone if you didn't steal it from someone else?

Secondly, if that's true, then a very easy way for the poor to stop losing their share of the fixed pie is to stop voluntarily giving it to the evil rich.

 

[cubby1223]

Oh, please. It's not a war zone at all- the Israelis have the pals & their immediate neighbors where they want 'em, under the heel of their boot... the pals are still squirming, however.

Did you even READ the article?

The weekend’s protests were disrupted by a new eruption of skirmishes on Israel’s southern border with Gaza. On Saturday, Israeli drones bombed a group preparing to fire Grad missiles into Israel, killing five members of the Islamic Jihad, which responded with a shower of some 20 missiles, during the next 48 hours, over Israeli population centers.

 

[bfdd]

I love statements like this.

Tell me if someone gets a 30 million dollar bonus from their company, did they do 30 million dollars worth of work?

There is only one pie and if almost all of the pie is going to a small group and the rest have to divide what is left, there isn't a magical way to make the left over piece suddenly bigger.

What is not paid in wages and benefits will be taken out in taxes to pay for social services to cover what isn't already covered in wages and benefits.

not everyone and everyones work/time carry the same value, nor should you or anyone else be able to set the value I wish to assign to someone or their work/time. now if we're talking about government employees, OUR employees, we absolutely should be able to set their wages, that should not be in their hands.

also, are there even 400,000 people protesting in the USA? I didn't think the numbers had reached that high here yet.

 

[QuantumPion]

I didn't know they had hippies in Israel.

Oh yes. Israel is very liberal and socialistic. Just like in the US and Britain, there is a permanent welfare class in Israel constantly demanding freebies from the government.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Oh yes. Israel is very liberal and socialistic.

Yep

Just like in the US and Britain, there is a permanent welfare class in Israel constantly demanding freebies from the government.

And yep

But...
Israel is very socialistic, very much unlike the US

 

[Nebor]

Oh yes. Israel is very liberal and socialistic.

Without an oppressive Christian right forcing their values on others, they're naturally socially liberal. They're socialistic by need, pressed together by a common enemy that surrounds them and threatens their survival.

 

[MagickMan]

Did you even READ the article?

OH COME ON! It's not like they were actually trying to kill anyone! You're just overreacting... AGAIN. :sneaky: