Mass. gets in line behind Cali for Fed money

Specop 007

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Interesting. I dont have much to say, I believe I said my piece on the matter in the Cali thread. While Cali is the biggest problem, it certainly wont be the laast. Seems that may prove to be true.

Does 007 have Daves powers of foretelling the future? It would seem so....... ;)

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Mass. may seek a US loan as credit markets dry up

State Treasurer Timothy P. Cahill this week approached the US Treasury and the Federal Reserve Bank of Boston about lending Massachusetts money under the same extraordinary terms the government is giving banks and Wall Street firms during this financial crisis.

The request was prompted by the state's inability to borrow from the short-term debt markets because the financial turmoil has essentially caused credit markets to stop lending or charge prohibitive rates. Earlier this week, Cahill's office shelved a $750 million debt offering because there were no buyers for state or municipal debt, he said. He did say how much the state might want to borrow from the Fed.

Massachusetts' need is not as urgent, Cahill said, as the state of California's, which requested similar federal assistance on Thursday. California officials said the state would run out of money by the end of the month if the short-term debt markets do not ease, and if it could not obtain loans from the Fed.

Cahill said the state has enough available funds to cover its expenses for the coming weeks. But he would not predict when the government would run into a cash shortfall should the borrowing problems persist.

Federal officials have not yet responded to Cahill's request, he said yesterday. Officials at the Boston Fed and US Treasury did not return calls seeking comment.

The treasurer is going to try to float the $750 million offering again next week. Cahill and other government treasurers hope the passage of the federal bail-out package yesterday will calm credit markets and revive sales of municipal debt.

"We have been preparing all week for contingencies around the fact that, if we don't get access to the credit markets next week, what are our alternatives?," he said.

However, the borrowing problems come as Massachusetts struggles to deal with a sharp drop-off in tax payments. Governor Deval L. Patrick and state legislators on Thursday disclosed the first in what could be a series of cuts to programs and operations after revenues for the fiscal first quarter were $143 million lower than expected.

Meanwhile, if the credit markets remain tight, Cahill said the Fed should offer the state the same low-rate loans or assistance the central bank has been giving the nation's banking system during the credit crisis.

"That's all we would ask them to do: Treat us like the investment banks," Cahill said.

State and local governments and other tax-exempt borrowers sold about 15 percent less debt in this week in credit markets than in typical periods, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

One major obstacle for governments - and private companies, too - is that a major buyer of the short-term debt they issue, the $3.4 trillion money market mutual fund industry, is sitting on the sidelines, too, analysts say.

Matt Fabian, managing director at Municipal Market Advisors, a research firm in Concord that follows government debt markets, said, "Money markets have been getting comfortable sitting on cash as opposed to buying bonds."

One reason for the reticence of money market mutual funds, he said, is that the insurance companies that routinely back up the debts they buy are themselves financially weak, adding to the nervousness about holding those securities.

Also, he said these mutual funds feel they need to have more cash on hand than normal to repay anxious customers who want their money back. Two weeks ago, money market mutual funds were the scene of panic as investors withdrew $210 billion out of fear their money was not safe; Putnam Investments of Boston was forced to close a $12.3 billion fund because of an onslaught of redemption requests. Also, several funds saw their net asset values fall below the $1-a-share level because of money-losing investments -meaning their shareholders stood to get less than $1 back for every $1 they had invested.

"You can't quite tell when the next wave of panic will come," Fabian said. "At this point, money markets should be cautious."

Fidelity Investments, the nation's largest money market manager, has $500 billion in money market mutual funds. One person involved in selling government debt to Fidelity and other money market fund managers said the Boston investment giant had cut back on buying certain government debt in recent days. But a spokesman for Fidelity said it had not retreated from that market.

"We remain a very active participant," Fidelity spokesman Vincent Loporchio said.

The US government recently took steps to ease the pressures on the money market mutual fund industry by temporarily insuring accounts and helping fund managers with cash-flow problems. Yet the markets still remain tight.

Now, some financial analysts are predicting the passage of the bailout yesterday would lead to credit markets loosening in the coming days, though it might be weeks before conditions begin to return to normal.

 

Thump553

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I doubt this has anything at all to do with Mass's insurance program. A lot of states, including mine (CT) are falling into this minefield. State and local governments issue bonds to pay for highways, schools, airports, etc. The credit crunch has basically shut down that market for now. I suspect pretty soon you are going to start reading about suspending highway construction, etc. till the credit crunch eases up.

Although I still don't understand why CA was apparently using bonding for routine, daily expenses like payroll. That's just wrong in my book.
 

CPA

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It may not be the sole reason, but the healthcare program is certainly part of the problem.
 

sandorski

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This is why tthe $700B "bailout" was necessary. Again, California and other States are unable to get Credit, because there is no Money available.
 

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This is quite bad. NY state is in a fiscal nightmare now, too, so I bet it's going to be up soon as well.
 

MovingTarget

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Originally posted by: Thump553
I doubt this has anything at all to do with Mass's insurance program. A lot of states, including mine (CT) are falling into this minefield. State and local governments issue bonds to pay for highways, schools, airports, etc. The credit crunch has basically shut down that market for now. I suspect pretty soon you are going to start reading about suspending highway construction, etc. till the credit crunch eases up.

Although I still don't understand why CA was apparently using bonding for routine, daily expenses like payroll. That's just wrong in my book.

I'll second that. In my state (Alabama), our largest county is on the verge of filing bankruptcy because of a bond issue a while back to improve the sewer infrastructure. While the deal has corruption written all over it (both on the side of bankers and the county commission), a filing would have potential effects on the rest of the state. We may be in a similar credit crunch as counties, cities, or even the state at large might be unable to get credit for much-needed infrastructure improvements, despite being financially prudent or well-capitalized. Issuing bonds for these types of projects is pretty common throughout the US. This doesn't look good.
 

techs

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This is because the credit markets have dried up and the states need short term help.

Exactly what will happen the day China decides to stop loaning us hundreds of billions.
 

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Originally posted by: techs
This is because the credit markets have dried up and the states need short term help.

Exactly what will happen the day China decides to stop loaning us hundreds of billions.
The problem is, China owns so much US debt that if they decide to cut the US dry, the US will be forced to resort to more desperate measures (pay us with wheelbarrows) and then everything China had worked so hard for vanishes in value. They need the US to succeed.
 

techs

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Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: techs
This is because the credit markets have dried up and the states need short term help.

Exactly what will happen the day China decides to stop loaning us hundreds of billions.
The problem is, China owns so much US debt that if they decide to cut the US dry, the US will be forced to resort to more desperate measures (pay us with wheelbarrows) and then everything China had worked so hard for vanishes in value. They need the US to succeed.

You're reasoning is similiar to the reasoning that got us into the fiscal mess we are in. China will continue to loan money regardless of the risk because if they don't the jig is up???
China will stop loaning us money before they feel we don't have the ability to pay it back. And since they will just collect the interest on what they loaned us that day is not yet near.
So to avoid catastrophe down the road we should stop the borrowing now, accept the difficult times, before it becomes overwhelming.
 

StageLeft

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Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Skoorb
Originally posted by: techs
This is because the credit markets have dried up and the states need short term help.

Exactly what will happen the day China decides to stop loaning us hundreds of billions.
The problem is, China owns so much US debt that if they decide to cut the US dry, the US will be forced to resort to more desperate measures (pay us with wheelbarrows) and then everything China had worked so hard for vanishes in value. They need the US to succeed.

You're reasoning is similiar to the reasoning that got us into the fiscal mess we are in. China will continue to loan money regardless of the risk because if they don't the jig is up???
China will stop loaning us money before they feel we don't have the ability to pay it back. And since they will just collect the interest on what they loaned us that day is not yet near.
So to avoid catastrophe down the road we should stop the borrowing now, accept the difficult times, before it becomes overwhelming.
The point is at which point they figure they will cut losses and give up. If they think they can recover their money, they'll aim to prop up insofar as it appears reasonable. If they think the dollar is screwed anyway they'll cut and run and watch things die.