Masks are killing people... People requiring masks are committing CRIMES against HUMANITY!

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Muse

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Yeah, I don't get that. Now, someone said something about making a mask from paper, but yeah, suffocation. Myself, I have some masks with valves, but I'm saving them for wildfire season. I have no trouble breathing through an N95 without a valve.
 

Maxima1

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Good post. I have been fitted for these masks, and I often wear a full face respirator, and rarely a SCBA. The reason we are required to be fitted and tested and our health screened beforehand is that not everyone can wear a mask, especially during strenuous activity. Having thousands of people running around wearing N95's or even half masks with 3M particulate filters there are bound to be some individuals that have issues due to their health.

I see a lot of folks wearing what they do have incorrectly also. Big gaps between the fabric and their cheeks, facial hair not allowing any type a decent seal.

A good portion are probably reusing them with the moisture buildup degrading the ability to seal. A good portion also probably have crappy substandard masks even if they attempted to get K95 or KN95, since it has been difficult to get the good shit. I have one that I bought off ebay that was labeled KN95, but I didn't look at the fine print that said "dust mask" on the packaging. I'm not sure if that's 100% indicative, but I can't get a good seal for nothing on it. On the other hand, I had to go to the hospital about a month back, and those medical masks they were handing out were a lot better at sealing, and had much better breathability. Some of that crap out there people are wearing would need much more layers/fiber for equivalent filtration.

Let me just tell you, no government is requiring the general public to wear N95 masks. The ordinances require a face covering, not a rated mask.

A lot of face coverings are uncomfortable. Breathability sucks on a lot of face coverings, and then the air just goes around the sides defeating the purpose of the fabric.
 

cytg111

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One part of civilization is contemplating the technical practical obstacles in going camping on Mars while another part of civilization is struggling with facemasks and a virus that kills if you spit in other peoples faces.... maybe its just too hard?
 

uclaLabrat

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Why the fuck those clowns make videos like that when THEYRE FUCKING DRIVING? Doesn't look like she's in the driver's seat but she sure keeps looking back to the road like she is.
 
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This is what happens if we fund the police and the military, but not schools and social services.

Except we do detective Sherlock. We spend more per-capita for schooling than plenty of other developed countries.

It's not an issue with just funding. It's an issue of how the funding is utilized.

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It's not just a game of "DUR HUR PAY DEH TECHERS MORE AND WE GET TEH SMARTR!" like you moronic folks keep dreaming of.
 
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Fenixgoon

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Except we do detective Sherlock. We spend more per-capita for schooling than plenty of other developed countries.

It's not an issue with just funding. It's an issue of how the funding is utilized.

It's not just a game of "DUR HUR PAY DEH TECHERS MORE AND WE GET TEH SMARTR!" like you moronic folks keep dreaming of.

so you expect to draw a large pool of highly talented, qualified, and motivated people by paying them.... 40k? 50k? while making them buy supplies for their classroom?

i don't disagree that funding needs to be better utilized, but let's not pretend that teachers make great money for the amount of work they do. the pay is relatively poor, which means you can expect a very limited applicant/talent pool. are there plenty of great teachers? no doubt. would your odds of getting more great teachers improve with better pay? also no doubt.
 

nickqt

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so you expect to draw a large pool of highly talented, qualified, and motivated people by paying them.... 40k? 50k? while making them buy supplies for their classroom?

i don't disagree that funding needs to be better utilized, but let's not pretend that teachers make great money for the amount of work they do. the pay is relatively poor, which means you can expect a very limited applicant/talent pool. are there plenty of great teachers? no doubt. would your odds of getting more great teachers improve with better pay? also no doubt.
Except we do detective Sherlock. We spend more per-capita for schooling than plenty of other developed countries.

It's not an issue with just funding. It's an issue of how the funding is utilized.

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It's not just a game of "DUR HUR PAY DEH TECHERS MORE AND WE GET TEH SMARTR!" like you moronic folks keep dreaming of.
Hurr Durr if we get rid of pro Demonrat teachers unions and pay teachers even less, then we get teh smartr!
 

Maxima1

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so you expect to draw a large pool of highly talented, qualified, and motivated people by paying them.... 40k? 50k? while making them buy supplies for their classroom?

You could go to bls.gov and take any career and say how horrible it is by looking at the bottom quartile. Average for all states is roughly $62K for high school teachers in 2019, which isn't even an accurate comparison due to the difference with health care (i.e. subsidies to teachers) and pension vs. SS+401K. Accountants who generally need a more rigorous degree (besides some high school subject matter) is only about $10K higher for around 20% more work hours and less generous bennies.

Outside of some high school math and AP science, how smart do you think a teacher needs to be? Do you actually think college instructors with Ph.Ds are so much better? Even in college, a good portion of classes are just a regurgitation of power point slides with over half of the students not even looking at the textbook assigned or with the instructors themselves driving home the point to do well in a tough class you need to self-study for much more hours than the lectures. People seem to want to pretend that teachers make up a large portion of how well students turn out when in reality the evidence indicates they're only a small part.

while making them buy supplies for their classroom?

I don't even know why this gets brought up. You think this isn't factored in when deciding comp? It's not even that significant even from the sources that are pro-teacher i.e. around ~$500 average. I'm more surprised why you wouldn't question why a teacher with a subject matter that is just basic knowledge (e.g. keyboarding or health class) is paid almost the same as the high school math teacher teaching Calc I & II.

but let's not pretend that teachers make great money for the amount of work they do. the pay is relatively poor,

Compared to what? To support staff, sure. But why would you think the unionized education sector with the backing of the public (with the pols obviously indulging in it) is totally paying worse than the non-unionized private sector???




 

Maxima1

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Hurr Durr if we get rid of pro Demonrat teachers unions and pay teachers even less, then we get teh smartr!

Teh smartr XD


Due to the high cost of textbooks, 65 percent of students said they decided against buying a book required for class. Of those students, nearly all (94 percent) said they were concerned that doing so would hurt their grade in a class.
"Not only are students choosing not to purchase the materials they are assigned by their professor, but they are knowingly accepting the risk of a lower grade to avoid paying for the textbook," the report said.

What's more, nearly half of all students surveyed said the cost of textbooks affected which or how many classes they choose to take each semester. That means that if students choose to take a lighter course load to get around the financial burden of textbooks, they may spend a longer time in college overall -- also an expensive option.
 

zinfamous

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Except we do detective Sherlock. We spend more per-capita for schooling than plenty of other developed countries.

It's not an issue with just funding. It's an issue of how the funding is utilized.

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It's not just a game of "DUR HUR PAY DEH TECHERS MORE AND WE GET TEH SMARTR!" like you moronic folks keep dreaming of.

so....that shows us the percent change in expenditures for education? over an 11 year period, for I dunno, 40 or so countries. That's nice. I wonder what that rate is in terms of GDP compared to those other countries?
 
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I live in the US, not some middle eastern country where they kill you if you don't have a rag on your head.

I will NOT be masked!!!!!

I am a free person.

Your slur, which I had merely excised, is reinstituted for all to see, and you are now infracted for this AND your subsequent attempt at a further sly reference.

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ch33zw1z

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so you expect to draw a large pool of highly talented, qualified, and motivated people by paying them.... 40k? 50k? while making them buy supplies for their classroom?

i don't disagree that funding needs to be better utilized, but let's not pretend that teachers make great money for the amount of work they do. the pay is relatively poor, which means you can expect a very limited applicant/talent pool. are there plenty of great teachers? no doubt. would your odds of getting more great teachers improve with better pay? also no doubt.

Imagine if we treat teachers like police. Teachers have much more influence in an individuals effect on society as well.