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nageov3t

Lifer
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I'm still waiting for the OP/and those like minded to post the positives of a McCain presidency.

the only real core positive of McCain as POTUS is the fact democrats are sure to increase their seats in congress, leaving us with deadlock / forced compromise.
 

UberNeuman

Lifer
Nov 4, 1999
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Originally posted by: loki8481
I'm still waiting for the OP/and those like minded to post the positives of a McCain presidency.

the only real core positive of McCain as POTUS is the fact democrats are sure to increase their seats in congress, leaving us with deadlock / forced compromise.

The nation has been forced into compromise for the last eight years.... Much of it wrong...

It's time for a pry bar to crack open the deadlock and move forward....

and even if Mr. Obama fails at this, then he and his supporters will be voted out....
 

ProfJohn

Lifer
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Originally posted by: UberNeuman
I'm still waiting for the OP/and those like minded to post the positives of a McCain presidency.
Start a thread on that topic then, and while you are at it ask the Obamabots to post his positives as well.
 

quest55720

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Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: herm0016
there is a Hillary supporters for McCain site too. it goes both ways.

blinderbomber: but he does? don't you watch CNN. he kills babies too!!!oneoneone??? </sarcasam> at least thats what Harvey, vic and the rest here will have you believe.

Link to where I've said anything of the kind. Otherwise, don't call me out with lies.

Oh, and this thread was started by a McCain fanboi making wild accusations against Obama. Something he does about 3 or 4 times a day. Quit DUH-verting. I can guarantee you that you will not find a single instance where I have started a thread for or against any of the Presidential candidates.

I'm still waiting for the OP/and those like minded to post the positives of a McCain presidency.

and they are not to be found....

Instead it's just more of smear/attack....

There are pleny of positives with a McCain presidency. First off it would prevent the democratic congress from running wild. They would have to comprise or face grid lock that is a win win IMO. Second Gas prices would come down thanks to lifting the drilling bans. Third the capitol gains tax would not double. That last thing you need in a down cycle is to discourage investing. Lastly terrorists are not going to test McCain like they would Obama they know that McCain will act swiftly and with the full force of the US military.

I see no reason to vote for Obama unless you want an economic depression to get people to depend on government or make the US more green. Obama likes the high energy prices it only helps his agenda of expanding government powers.



 

UberNeuman

Lifer
Nov 4, 1999
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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
I'm still waiting for the OP/and those like minded to post the positives of a McCain presidency.
Start a thread on that topic then, and while you are at it ask the Obamabots to post his positives as well.

Sir, if you want to post a McCain support thread then do so.... But don't half ass it with these bland "assignment" post that you often do..
 

UberNeuman

Lifer
Nov 4, 1999
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Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: herm0016
there is a Hillary supporters for McCain site too. it goes both ways.

blinderbomber: but he does? don't you watch CNN. he kills babies too!!!oneoneone??? </sarcasam> at least thats what Harvey, vic and the rest here will have you believe.

Link to where I've said anything of the kind. Otherwise, don't call me out with lies.

Oh, and this thread was started by a McCain fanboi making wild accusations against Obama. Something he does about 3 or 4 times a day. Quit DUH-verting. I can guarantee you that you will not find a single instance where I have started a thread for or against any of the Presidential candidates.

I'm still waiting for the OP/and those like minded to post the positives of a McCain presidency.

and they are not to be found....

Instead it's just more of smear/attack....

There are pleny of positives with a McCain presidency. First off it would prevent the democratic congress from running wild. They would have to comprise or face grid lock that is a win win IMO. Second Gas prices would come down thanks to lifting the drilling bans. Third the capitol gains tax would not double. That last thing you need in a down cycle is to discourage investing. Lastly terrorists are not going to test McCain like they would Obama they know that McCain will act swiftly and with the full force of the US military.

I see no reason to vote for Obama unless you want an economic depression to get people to depend on government or make the US more green. Obama likes the high energy prices it only helps his agenda of expanding government powers.

GRIDLOCK GRIDLOCK GRIDLOCK!!!!

That is what you have had for the last eight years - it's time to move forward - and again if Mr. Obama and the Democrats fail to make some progress, then you get the chance to vote them out of office....
 

miketheidiot

Lifer
Sep 3, 2004
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Originally posted by: UberNeuman


GRIDLOCK GRIDLOCK GRIDLOCK!!!!

That is what you have had for the last eight years - it's time to move forward - and again if Mr. Obama and the Democrats fail to make some progress, then you get the chance to vote them out of office....

no, we've had gridlock for two.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: quest55720
There are pleny of positives with a McCain presidency. First off it would prevent the democratic congress from running wild. They would have to comprise or face grid lock that is a win win IMO. Second Gas prices would come down thanks to lifting the drilling bans. Third the capitol gains tax would not double. That last thing you need in a down cycle is to discourage investing. Lastly terrorists are not going to test McCain like they would Obama they know that McCain will act swiftly and with the full force of the US military.

I see no reason to vote for Obama unless you want an economic depression to get people to depend on government or make the US more green. Obama likes the high energy prices it only helps his agenda of expanding government powers.

It seems like the whackos have been coming out of the woodwork lately.

You don't actually know how the government in this country works, do you? Either that, or you're arguing that the government already has absolute power in this country (in order to be able to do these things you believe McCain could do), while trying to make us afraid of Obama's 'agenda of expanding government powers.'

Surely you see the conflict, right? You're only pretending to argue against expanding government, while actually hoping it changes your diapers for you.

I doubt it, so I'll elaborate.
1. The Democratic majority in Congress is likely to be veto-proof, so McCain can't help you there.
2. Congress will control the drill bans, so they are likely to stay. IF the ban were repealed though, they would no effect on gas prices.
3. The current debt and deficit situation indicates that taxes will have to go up even if the Libertarian party won complete control of the govt. That high price at the gas pump is not due to a lack of oil supply, but your man's outrageously irresponsible fiscal policies.
And lastly, how then do you explain the terrorists 'testing' GW Bush and his subsequent swift yet entirely fruitless response? Where is Osama bin Laden BTW?
 

ProfJohn

Lifer
Jul 28, 2006
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Originally posted by: UberNeuman
GRIDLOCK GRIDLOCK GRIDLOCK!!!!

That is what you have had for the last eight years - it's time to move forward - and again if Mr. Obama and the Democrats fail to make some progress, then you get the chance to vote them out of office....
You have one major problem with your assessment.

There is NO evidence at all that the American want what Obama and the left are offering.

1. The Democrats are winning seats in congress by putting up conservative candidates, not by running left leaning liberals.

2. Obama got where he is by running a campaign based a change, but without getting into the details of what he wants to change.

3. Surveys, and there was one released just a few days ago, still say that Americans want a smaller government and that they don't would rather see the government provide a better playing field for all rather than have the government tax the rich and give to the poor.
 

UberNeuman

Lifer
Nov 4, 1999
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Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: UberNeuman


GRIDLOCK GRIDLOCK GRIDLOCK!!!!

That is what you have had for the last eight years - it's time to move forward - and again if Mr. Obama and the Democrats fail to make some progress, then you get the chance to vote them out of office....

no, we've had gridlock for two.

no, you've had gridlock since after 9/11/01....
 

nageov3t

Lifer
Feb 18, 2004
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Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: loki8481
I'm still waiting for the OP/and those like minded to post the positives of a McCain presidency.

the only real core positive of McCain as POTUS is the fact democrats are sure to increase their seats in congress, leaving us with deadlock / forced compromise.

The nation has been forced into compromise for the last eight years.... Much of it wrong...

It's time for a pry bar to crack open the deadlock and move forward....

and even if Mr. Obama fails at this, then he and his supporters will be voted out....

what country have you been living in? GWB had a congress filled with yes-men who passed any retarded bill he wanted to get passed... the only real failure he had before the gridlock set in after '06 was social security.
 

UberNeuman

Lifer
Nov 4, 1999
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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: loki8481
I'm still waiting for the OP/and those like minded to post the positives of a McCain presidency.

the only real core positive of McCain as POTUS is the fact democrats are sure to increase their seats in congress, leaving us with deadlock / forced compromise.

The nation has been forced into compromise for the last eight years.... Much of it wrong...

It's time for a pry bar to crack open the deadlock and move forward....

and even if Mr. Obama fails at this, then he and his supporters will be voted out....

what country have you been living in? GWB had a congress filled with yes-men who passed any retarded bill he wanted to get passed... the only real failure he had before the gridlock set in after '06 was social security.

So, then you're saying that the Republicans had congress gridlocked up till '06?

By gosh, that "gridlockin'" has been fantastic for the nation.....
 

nageov3t

Lifer
Feb 18, 2004
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do we have different meanings for the term gridlock? :confused:

GWB's administration has been characterized by many things, compromise is not one.
 

UberNeuman

Lifer
Nov 4, 1999
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Originally posted by: loki8481
do we have different meanings for the term gridlock? :confused:

GWB's administration has been characterized by many things, compromise is not one.

Playing off the fear of the people is also a major trait of the GWB administration....

"if ya dont vote wit my ideas, then you mus be a enama of this here nationally..."
 

Vic

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Bush has been the biggest rubber-stamp President in the history of the country. He's vetoed a mere 10 times, with the first one only 2 years ago. Hardly a gridlock.
 

quest55720

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: quest55720
There are pleny of positives with a McCain presidency. First off it would prevent the democratic congress from running wild. They would have to comprise or face grid lock that is a win win IMO. Second Gas prices would come down thanks to lifting the drilling bans. Third the capitol gains tax would not double. That last thing you need in a down cycle is to discourage investing. Lastly terrorists are not going to test McCain like they would Obama they know that McCain will act swiftly and with the full force of the US military.

I see no reason to vote for Obama unless you want an economic depression to get people to depend on government or make the US more green. Obama likes the high energy prices it only helps his agenda of expanding government powers.

It seems like the whackos have been coming out of the woodwork lately.

You don't actually know how the government in this country works, do you? Either that, or you're arguing that the government already has absolute power in this country (in order to be able to do these things you believe McCain could do), while trying to make us afraid of Obama's 'agenda of expanding government powers.'

Surely you see the conflict, right? You're only pretending to argue against expanding government, while actually hoping it changes your diapers for you.

I doubt it, so I'll elaborate.
1. The Democratic majority in Congress is likely to be veto-proof, so McCain can't help you there.
2. Congress will control the drill bans, so they are likely to stay. IF the ban were repealed though, they would no effect on gas prices.
3. The current debt and deficit situation indicates that taxes will have to go up even if the Libertarian party won complete control of the govt. That high price at the gas pump is not due to a lack of oil supply, but your man's outrageously irresponsible fiscal policies.
And lastly, how then do you explain the terrorists 'testing' GW Bush and his subsequent swift yet entirely fruitless response? Where is Osama bin Laden BTW?

If McCain wins it will be on drilling which virtually every repulican canidate supports. If McCain wins the democrats don't get veto numbers because a few republicans will ride this issue to an upset. If McCain wins you can bet your ass that the ban on drilling will be lifted. The public will have spoken and congress will act or face being tossed out on their asses.

Raising taxes when the economy is down is stupid. You just make those with money try and protect it. They won't be investing which leads to jobs and a turn around.

Yes oil prices are almost all future supply and demand. The demand in india and china is going up and production is not. The speculators are betting on the tree hugger winning. If the drilling ban is lifted and there is a secure supply of oil added to the world market prices will go down. Sure the speculators may have inflated the market some but not that much. Why would anyone who speculates in oil bet anything other than production staying that same or less?

 

UberNeuman

Lifer
Nov 4, 1999
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Originally posted by: Vic
Bush has been the biggest rubber-stamp President in the history of the country. He's vetoed a mere 10 times, with the first one only 2 years ago. Hardly a gridlock.

Have not the Republicans held sway for most of his term?

Would that not mean that the Republicans had gridlocked the nation for most of GWB's term?

Fear. It's the greatest weapon in keeping control and emboldening those that abuse the power that has been given to them....
 

fskimospy

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Mar 10, 2006
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Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: Vic
Bush has been the biggest rubber-stamp President in the history of the country. He's vetoed a mere 10 times, with the first one only 2 years ago. Hardly a gridlock.

Have not the Republicans held sway for most of his term?

Would that not mean that the Republicans had gridlocked the nation for most of GWB's term?

Fear. It's the greatest weapon in keeping control and emboldening those that abuse the power that has been given to them....

Gridlock means the exact opposite of what you're saying. Gridlock means no actions are being taken, a rubber stamp Congress like Bush had for 6 years meant way too many actions were being taken.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: quest55720
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: quest55720
There are pleny of positives with a McCain presidency. First off it would prevent the democratic congress from running wild. They would have to comprise or face grid lock that is a win win IMO. Second Gas prices would come down thanks to lifting the drilling bans. Third the capitol gains tax would not double. That last thing you need in a down cycle is to discourage investing. Lastly terrorists are not going to test McCain like they would Obama they know that McCain will act swiftly and with the full force of the US military.

I see no reason to vote for Obama unless you want an economic depression to get people to depend on government or make the US more green. Obama likes the high energy prices it only helps his agenda of expanding government powers.

It seems like the whackos have been coming out of the woodwork lately.

You don't actually know how the government in this country works, do you? Either that, or you're arguing that the government already has absolute power in this country (in order to be able to do these things you believe McCain could do), while trying to make us afraid of Obama's 'agenda of expanding government powers.'

Surely you see the conflict, right? You're only pretending to argue against expanding government, while actually hoping it changes your diapers for you.

I doubt it, so I'll elaborate.
1. The Democratic majority in Congress is likely to be veto-proof, so McCain can't help you there.
2. Congress will control the drill bans, so they are likely to stay. IF the ban were repealed though, they would no effect on gas prices.
3. The current debt and deficit situation indicates that taxes will have to go up even if the Libertarian party won complete control of the govt. That high price at the gas pump is not due to a lack of oil supply, but your man's outrageously irresponsible fiscal policies.
And lastly, how then do you explain the terrorists 'testing' GW Bush and his subsequent swift yet entirely fruitless response? Where is Osama bin Laden BTW?

If McCain wins it will be on drilling which virtually every repulican canidate supports. If McCain wins the democrats don't get veto numbers because a few republicans will ride this issue to an upset. If McCain wins you can bet your ass that the ban on drilling will be lifted. The public will have spoken and congress will act or face being tossed out on their asses.

Raising taxes when the economy is down is stupid. You just make those with money try and protect it. They won't be investing which leads to jobs and a turn around.

Yes oil prices are almost all future supply and demand. The demand in india and china is going up and production is not. The speculators are betting on the tree hugger winning. If the drilling ban is lifted and there is a secure supply of oil added to the world market prices will go down. Sure the speculators may have inflated the market some but not that much. Why would anyone who speculates in oil bet anything other than production staying that same or less?

Are you 12 years old or something? You did not address any of my arguments, and your own argument is incoherent, illogical, and uneducated.
 

UberNeuman

Lifer
Nov 4, 1999
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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: Vic
Bush has been the biggest rubber-stamp President in the history of the country. He's vetoed a mere 10 times, with the first one only 2 years ago. Hardly a gridlock.

Have not the Republicans held sway for most of his term?

Would that not mean that the Republicans had gridlocked the nation for most of GWB's term?

Fear. It's the greatest weapon in keeping control and emboldening those that abuse the power that has been given to them....

Gridlock means the exact opposite of what you're saying. Gridlock means no actions are being taken, a rubber stamp Congress like Bush had for 6 years meant way too many actions were being taken.

Dude, you're bumming me out....:D

Maybe "gridlock" isn't the correct term is this case - but (o' the dreaded but) - the GWB administration has done what it could to diminish/demonize the opposition...

With their majority, I feel they did lock out the voice of the people...

 

WHAMPOM

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Feb 28, 2006
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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
link

Have to wonder about this one.

I assume that the Obama people are not aware of this little group and that forming a group like this on his web page is easy. Otherwise they would be idiots for allowing such a thing to go on.

Here is yet another great endorsement for Obama.
This group is for self-proclaimed Marxists/Communists/Socialists for the election of Barack Obama to the Presidency. By no means is he a true Marxist, but under Karl Marx's writings we are to support the party with the best interests of the mobilization of the proletariat. Though the Democratic Socialists of America or the Communist Patty of America may have more Socialististic values, it is pointless to vote for these candidates due to the fact that there is virutally no chance they will be elected on a National level. The members of this group are not Leninists, Stalinists, etc. and do not support or condone the actions of North Korea, China, Cuba or any other self-procalimed "Marxist States." They do not in anyway represent the Marxist philosophy nor do they represent Socialism/ Communsim. We support Barack Obama because he knows what is best for the people!

Two weeks away at propaganda (Swift Boat) camp and this is the best you can come up with?

 

WHAMPOM

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Feb 28, 2006
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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Vic
That's like wondering why the KKK and Neo-Nazis are voting for McCain.
Find me on the KKK and Nazis web page on JohnMcCain.com

I will give it a try, 'bout time you showed your true political leanings.
 

OrByte

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Originally posted by: UberNeuman
Originally posted by: miketheidiot
Originally posted by: UberNeuman


GRIDLOCK GRIDLOCK GRIDLOCK!!!!

That is what you have had for the last eight years - it's time to move forward - and again if Mr. Obama and the Democrats fail to make some progress, then you get the chance to vote them out of office....

no, we've had gridlock for two.

no, you've had gridlock since after 9/11/01....

Bull F'n Sh!t

for the 5 or so years after 9/11 congress rolled over and over for the admin.

you are crazy if you think differently.

edit: nevermind I see we had a little confusion over the subject.

you're not crazy...and I need to read the thread more closely :p