Married Couples Pay More Than Unmarried Under Health Bill

Specop 007

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It is becoming increasingly more costly to be: white, heterosexual, married, with 2 or fewer children and/or if you are more financially or socially responsible than your peers.

You home-school? You'll pay.
You're married? You'll pay.
You're gainfully employed? You'll pay.
You're a legal US citizen (deduct points for US-by-birth): You'll pay.
You have a mortgage you can afford? You'll pay.
You planned ahead and have investments and/or savings? You'll pay.
Your employer rewards you with good benfits? You'll pay.
Your NOT "disadvantaged" (based on race, sexual preference, socioeconomic class, political affiliation, religious affiliation): You'll pay.

Democrats: Promoting alternative lifestyles and broken homes through taxes.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB126281943134818675.html

WASHINGTON -- Some married couples would pay thousands of dollars more for the same health insurance coverage as unmarried people living together, under the health insurance overhaul plan pending in Congress.

The built-in "marriage penalty" in both House and Senate healthcare bills has received scant attention. But for scores of low-income and middle-income couples, it could mean a hike of $2,000 or more in annual insurance premiums the moment they say "I do."

The disparity comes about in part because subsidies for purchasing health insurance under the plan from congressional Democrats are pegged to federal poverty guidelines. That has the effect of limiting subsidies for married couples with a combined income, compared to if the individuals are single.

People who get their health insurance through an employer wouldn't be affected. Only people that buy subsidized insurance through new exchanges set up by the legislation stand to be impacted. About 17 million people would receive such subsidies in 2016 under the House plan, the Congressional Budget Office estimates.

The bills cap the annual amount people making less than 400% of the federal poverty level must pay for health insurance premiums, ranging from 1.5% of income for the poorest to 11% at the top end, under the House plan.

For an unmarried couple with income of $25,000 each, combined premiums would be capped at $3,076 per year, under the House bill. If the couple gets married, with a combined income of $50,000, their annual premium cap jumps to $5,160 -- a "penalty" of $2,084. Those figures were included in a memo prepared by House Republican staff.

The disparity is slightly smaller in the Senate version of health-care legislation, chiefly because premium subsidies in the House bill are more targeted towards low-wage earners.

Under the Senate bill, a couple with $50,000 combined income would pay $3,450 in annual premiums if unmarried, and $5,100 if married -- a difference of $1,650.

Republicans say the effect on married couples whose combined income makes them ineligible for subsidies is even greater -- up to $5,000 or more -- but that is more difficult to measure because it includes assumptions about the price of insurance policies.

Democratic staff who helped to write the bill confirmed the existence of the penalty, but said it cannot be remedied without creating other inequities.

For instance, they said making the subsidies neutral towards marriage would lead to a married couple with only one bread-winner getting a more generous subsidy than a single parent at the same income-level.

"The Finance Committee, along with other committees in the Senate, took pains to craft the most equitable overall structure possible, and that's what we have here," said a Democratic Senate Finance Committee aide.

If the bill passes in its current form, it would be far from the first example of federal and social benefits creating incentives to remain single. Under current law, marriage can have a negative impact on a person's ability to claim the earned income tax credit and welfare benefits including food stamps.

In any progressive system of taxes or benefits, there are trade-offs between how well-targeted a subsidy is and how equitable it is, said Stacy Dickert-Conlin, an economics professor at Michigan State University.

"You might like to have it be progressive, equitable and marriage-neutral. But you have to decide what your goals are, because you can't accomplish all three," she said.

The marriage penalty in the health bill has not been a major focus of attack by Republican opponents of the bill, who are focusing on larger themes such as new taxes in the bill and growth in government spending.

But it has caught the attention of some conservative groups, who claim that the prospect of reduced subsidies will dissuade people from tying the knot.

"This seems to not only penalize the married, but also those who would have the most to gain from marriage -- the poor," said Jenny Tyree, an analyst at the Colorado-based Focus on the Family.

Ms. Dickert-Conlin said that isn't borne out by research in the area.

"Most of the literature says that people do not make decisions about whether or not to get married based on" government benefits, she said.

"You might see bigger effects on the timing -- someone choosing to get married in January, instead of December," she said.
 

spidey07

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Yep, it's just another marriage penalty. The medicare tax increases start at 200K for single and 250K for married. Which means two educated professionals who likely earn between 140 and 180K single would put them over the limit when married.

Obama's tax plans are chock full of marriage penalties.
 

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Yep thats 1 reason Me and wife are divorcing . I see divorce as viable option for many . It only a government divorce unless you married by justic of peace all legal and all . But will still be as 1 . Screw this government if you can . Do unto them as they would do unto you.
 
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RyanPaulShaffer

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More destruction of the foundation of civilized society (a cohesive, committed family)...what else is new?
 

Robor

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From the article...

People who get their health insurance through an employer wouldn't be affected. Only people that buy subsidized insurance through new exchanges set up by the legislation stand to be impacted. About 17 million people would receive such subsidies in 2016 under the House plan, the Congressional Budget Office estimates.

According to the US Census Bureau the population of the US is roughly 308 million. By my math if 17 million people would be affected that makes roughly 18% of that 308 million. Of that 18% how many are single 'couples' living together? I'm guessing we are talking about a small fraction of the 308 million being affected. Feel free to 'hair on fire' though.

You would think Republicans would like this since it encourages couples to get married. Well, as long as they aren't gay. Can't have that. :rolleyes:
 

spidey07

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From the article...



According to the US Census Bureau the population of the US is roughly 308 million. By my math if 17 million people would be affected that makes roughly 18% of that 308 million. Of that 18% how many are single 'couples' living together? I'm guessing we are talking about a small fraction of the 308 million being affected. Feel free to 'hair on fire' though.

You would think Republicans would like this since it encourages couples to get married. Well, as long as they aren't gay. Can't have that. :rolleyes:

What about the marriage penalty for the medicare tax increases?
 

Throckmorton

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Why do married couples get tax breaks? Why is it OK for my income to be redistributed to them, while it's not OK for them to get subsidized less for health insurance?

Give me a break. You wingnuts are all for unfairness in the tax code as long as it serves your interests.
 

Red Dawn

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Nice. You even worked "White" into your rant.

Lol, next thing you know these fucking idiots will claim if you don't have health Insurance you'll be sent to prison. Oh wait. some of them have already claimed that.
 

Hacp

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Its about time married couples stop getting tax breaks. Why do you need a tax break if you have a kid? No, everyone pays equal in taxes. Start giving married couples special treatment and you'll get more octomoms popping up left and right.
 

Jaskalas

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Lol, next thing you know these fucking idiots will claim if you don't have health Insurance you'll be sent to prison. Oh wait. some of them have already claimed that.

If you don't have it and don't pay the tax... what happens if you evade taxes and penalties?
 

werepossum

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Lol, next thing you know these fucking idiots will claim if you don't have health Insurance you'll be sent to prison. Oh wait. some of them have already claimed that.

Right, we all know that although the Democrats took the trouble to write it into the bill, it will never happen. It's a well known tactic that goes all the way back to Prohibition. "The Democrat Party is in favor of laws prohibiting the manufacture and sale of alcohol. However we are against their enforcement." And as Robor indicated, it's perfectly okay to discriminate against individuals as long as they don't compose a sizable group.

Married couples who both work paid higher taxes until the Republicans took Congress in '94. This is because Democrats look at all money as first belonging to Government, whose bureaucrats then decide what you need. This is just another step toward restoring the proper relationship between Government and citizen in the world according to Democrats. Just when the Republicans convince me they are just as bad, the Democrats put on a push and pull out ahead again.
 

Atreus21

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Married couples who both work paid higher taxes until the Republicans took Congress in '94. This is because Democrats look at all money as first belonging to Government, whose bureaucrats then decide what you need. This is just another step toward restoring the proper relationship between Government and citizen in the world according to Democrats. Just when the Republicans convince me they are just as bad, the Democrats put on a push and pull out ahead again.

I think I've found a new sig. Nicely said.
 

Throckmorton

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Right, we all know that although the Democrats took the trouble to write it into the bill, it will never happen. It's a well known tactic that goes all the way back to Prohibition. "The Democrat Party is in favor of laws prohibiting the manufacture and sale of alcohol. However we are against their enforcement." And as Robor indicated, it's perfectly okay to discriminate against individuals as long as they don't compose a sizable group.

Married couples who both work paid higher taxes until the Republicans took Congress in '94. This is because Democrats look at all money as first belonging to Government, whose bureaucrats then decide what you need. This is just another step toward restoring the proper relationship between Government and citizen in the world according to Democrats. Just when the Republicans convince me they are just as bad, the Democrats put on a push and pull out ahead again.

Dude, you live in Tennessee. My tax dollars are being redistributed to your state and you have the gall to talk about "all money first belonging to the government"
 

RyanPaulShaffer

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Wow. Some of the responses in this thread make me /facepalm

Here it is, real simple like:

If two people cohabit, and they both work, their incomes are considered separately for subsidy purposes. If they decide to get married, their incomes are combined, and they actually receive less of a subsidy than they would if they remained unmarried and are PUNISHED for getting married because their combined incomes are considered one big income instead of two separate, smaller incomes.

How is that fair or equal? Gotta love the ones crying "Why should married couples get a break?! It's not fair!" when they are actually getting shafted for being married and two "single" people actually get the big breaks. The reality is, the single folks just want theres, and the married folks can go fly a kite, amirite?

It's simple, really: just more attacks on the institute of marriage and family. Break down the basic building block of society (the family), and you can break down and remold that society from its foundation on up. Brick by brick.
 

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My children are both grown Up. One decided to marry . After I said don't do it fool .

The other Has A child and expecting another. They My daughter and live in asked if marriage was right thing to do . I said NO way. I accept things as they are you have my blessing don't ruin a good relationship and get caught up in this whole death till we die BS. My daughter has to pay way less taxes on same income than my son and his wife way less. After all it is all about afforaable living is it not.
 

Moonbeam

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OP: or if you are more financially or socially responsible than your peers.

M: The stupid are the ones that keep the economy rolling as they buy buy buy. Your ilk just screw things up.
 

Red Dawn

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My children are both grown Up. One decided to marry . After I said don't do it fool .

The other Has A child and expecting another. They My daughter and live in asked if marriage was right thing to do . I said NO way. I accept things as they are you have my blessing don't ruin a good relationship and get caught up in this whole death till we die BS. My daughter has to pay way less taxes on same income than my son and his wife way less. After all it is all about afforaable living is it not.

Cool story bro:rolleyes:
 

werepossum

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Dude, you live in Tennessee. My tax dollars are being redistributed to your state and you have the gall to talk about "all money first belonging to the government"
Yes, and yes. Principle does not change if it benefits me personally, else theft would be moral. (Theft other than by government I mean.)

That this doesn't change your mind about whom who give your vote should make you wonder about your intelligence. You are voting for people who tell you they will harm you for another's benefit; should you then complain when they do exactly what they promise to do, take your money and give it to another?