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Gravity

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Originally posted by: Mucho
After telling the counselor the only reason I am staying in this marriage is for the kids sake, he said that was a big mistake the kids will be better off if we divorce rather than seeing us fight every day. At that moment I knew is end was in sight.

Research suggests that kids will be damaged in many ways if the couple divorces unless there is violence in the home. That's what's keeping me interested. I'm sorry it didn't work for you.

Would you be willing to update me or pm me about how the kids are now after the divorce and how long you've been legally divorced? Thx
 

Gravity

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I brought up the option even though it did not work with first marriage. Donna said it was not an option so you can't get any more closed minded than that.

2 weeks later I'm in New Orleans after 14 years.

Really? I'm an hour from there. Buy you lunch?
 

Gravity

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Originally posted by: Gravity
Originally posted by: jjones
The wife and I had been to a few sessions years ago but there were issues that obviously were not going to be overcome through counseling. Separation worked better for us.

Did you ever reconcile?
Oh yeah, make up sex is great. :p

We got back together after about 6 months and have been happily married now for the past five years. We've been married for nine years, have had two separations in the first 4 years, and finally after the last separation, were able to put our relationship together so it would work.

I don't recommend that course of action for anyone but it worked in our case. We just needed time away from each other in those early years of our marriage. We are both very strong-willed and independent, and marriage between two people like that is very difficult. What we each loved about the other and atttracted us in the first place, became the reason we couldn't seem to live together. In the end, we were able to work it out but we couldn't do that until we spent time apart to re-focus our lives without the other's influence. That gave us the ability to get back together and really communicate again.

One of the things that was in our favor is that neither one of us ever considered divorce as an option. I mean it was out there in the back of our minds if years went by and we remained separated, but it wasn't an option that was ever really considered up front when we separated or during our time apart.

That's pretty encouraging. You are luck you got back together, the stats say that 80% of peeps that seperate never get back together. Thx for sharing.
 

DurocShark

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My wife and I separated twice: Once because I was still young and lost my mind being "caged" in a family with a new baby. The other because my career was taking over my life, and my wife was sick of me being physically there, but mentally elsewhere. She had an affair, and left me.

We reconciled both times, and each time we've learned a lot about ourselves and each other. We still make mistakes, but we're able to call each other out on them now without risking the marriage.

We're in a really rough spot now due to outside influences (wife's lupus), so I'm thinking this may be the time for counseling. I'm slowly bringing it up to her, trying to get it to the point where she thinks it's HER idea. ;)

Yes, I'm getting good at this marriage thing.... Only 13 years of practice! LoL
 

Isla

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Originally posted by: DurocShark
My wife and I separated twice: Once because I was still young and lost my mind being "caged" in a family with a new baby. The other because my career was taking over my life, and my wife was sick of me being physically there, but mentally elsewhere. She had an affair, and left me.

We reconciled both times, and each time we've learned a lot about ourselves and each other. We still make mistakes, but we're able to call each other out on them now without risking the marriage.

We're in a really rough spot now due to outside influences (wife's lupus), so I'm thinking this may be the time for counseling. I'm slowly bringing it up to her, trying to get it to the point where she thinks it's HER idea. ;)

Yes, I'm getting good at this marriage thing.... Only 13 years of practice! LoL


LOL!

I can totally relate. My husband and I have been through total hell together. There were times when I thought I couldn't stay with him after sooooo many bad experiences. But now it's like being Vietnam Veterans together. You get to the point where you have enough good moments to say, "OK, I think we can do this!" And then, when one of you is suffering from the effects of Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome, you can have sympathy for each other.

Our biggest problem was my bigoted, abusive in-laws. Once we learned how to have good boundaries with them, we were BOTH much happier. In fact, once the marriage counselor very calmly pointed out to my husband that the things his family did (and continue to do) were sick, sick, sick, and that for us to be happy together we (he!) would need to draw the line with them, our marriage started improving. And it only took us something like 10 1/2 years to get to that point! :D
 

Kenazo

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This is a great thread. :) It's sometimes good to hear that some ppl struggle in their marriages, yet they are still willing to work at them, and not just ditch it when it gets tough.

(though sometimes that is necessary too, given the situation)
 

Gravity

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Originally posted by: Kenazo
This is a great thread. :) It's sometimes good to hear that some ppl struggle in their marriages, yet they are still willing to work at them, and not just ditch it when it gets tough.

(though sometimes that is necessary too, given the situation)

I couldn't agree more, I'm very encouraged.
 

desy

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I've known my wife 10 yrs, a very solid mature easy marriage
But as all couples do from time to time. . . every argument we have ever had if I disect it , mirrors back in someway to my own selfishness. Even if she starts it and it eascalates I can find the root of any anger in me wanting something, could be as dumb as to simply win the argument right or wrong for my own ego.
Once I look at an argument and say OK this was the selfish reason, what is hers? How do we COMMUNICATE the very raw root of it, the just becauses, it doesn't take long to unravel it and get to common ground.

It took my poor EX-girlfreind to take all the bruises of me learning to become a valuable partner in what is a Team approach to life. If you don't want to be in a team of equals don't get married.
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: Gravity
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I brought up the option even though it did not work with first marriage. Donna said it was not an option so you can't get any more closed minded than that.

2 weeks later I'm in New Orleans after 14 years.

Really? I'm an hour from there. Buy you lunch?

Was great meeting you Tom and great lunch :D :cool: :thumbsup:

Good thread and best wishes and we'll keep in touch.
 

munruss

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well, my wife and i decided to go to counseling because we thought that we hated each other. Well, $1000 later and the "doctor" was right. I really do hate my wife and I hope she checks into a coffin. Other than that, life is jolly.

The "doctor" made us to these stupid exercizes. For example, look each other in our eyes and say some stuff. I just wanted to say how much I hated her, right in her face. OK, enough about that! How are you doing with it?
 

Gravity

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Originally posted by: munruss
well, my wife and i decided to go to counseling because we thought that we hated each other. Well, $1000 later and the "doctor" was right. I really do hate my wife and I hope she checks into a coffin. Other than that, life is jolly.

The "doctor" made us to these stupid exercizes. For example, look each other in our eyes and say some stuff. I just wanted to say how much I hated her, right in her face. OK, enough about that! How are you doing with it?

LMAO!!

It's going very, very slowly. She won't discuss anything outside the therapists office and often drags her feet on the homework wich is pretty simple stuff. I've been owning lots of stuff (stupid boy behavior) but she has a hard time owning even little things. She's very black and white and a perfectionist to boot. I've been reading "Emotional Unavailability" by Bryn C. Collins and it describes her pretty well, at least I think.
 

Isla

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Black and white and perfectionism isn't good. It's not good for your daughters... hopefully, your efforts will make enough of a difference for them in the long run.

My husband used to see everything in black and white, and much of it had to do with simple fear. It takes a lot of courage to live with the fact that there are many shades of gray!

How is her relationship with her parents? My mother in law is mentally ill and has an entire family tiptoeing around her. My husband simulataneously hated her and was like her, because he saw her as being the one with all the power. He loves his dad, but the man is the most whipped person I have ever met. I used to be very submissive, so it was easy for me to be the whipped partner and my husband to be the one with all the power and control. Until I decided I wasn't a doormat after all. :p When he saw he was acting just like his mother, he (very slowly) began to change. But it has literally taken YEARS of love, patience, and good counsel.

If your wife can come to realize that your daughter's relationships will be effected by what they see modeled... how big of an influence she has over them through her everyday behaviors... hopefully, she will try to be more open to how she can improve. They are at an age and in a society where they are very vulnerable to things like eating disorders, etc.

There are two books I can recommend by Mary Pipher. Reviving Ophelia is something your wife should read... she may see herself in the book. All the women I know who have read it found it did them a lot of good, in terms of getting to the root of their own hurt and anger. Then there is Rebuilding Our Families: In The Shelter Of Each Other that is about keeping a family strong and healthy despite outside influences that can weaken us. And none of it is religious or preachy, which is a plus to me. :)

I truly wish you success in your efforts... we have three kids, ages 16. 10, and 5... and the best thing we can do for them is to love each other. I know you know that, too!
 

NogginBoink

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My wife and I went to four sessions and saw no value in it. I personally think it was the counselor we were seeing, and not counseling in general, that got that reaction from us. I think that my wife and I could fix some of our problems if we could find the right counselor, but we have no idea how to find such an idividual.

(Asking friends for referrals just doesn't seem right... "Hey, me and wifey are having problems. Know of any good marriage counselors? Great. Say... how do you know him? Really? So your and your wife are screwed up too, eh? Yeah? She WHAT? Damn! You two ARE screwed up!....)
 

NorthRiver

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Originally posted by: Gravity
Originally posted by: dabuddha
It won't work unless you actually do want it to work.

Yup, I get a sense that it's pretty one-sided. Seems like wifey is interested in Revenge vs. Reconciling.


Brother,my ex wife is still extracting revenge for things that never happened, and unfortunatly we have a child together:disgust:


She is the poster wife for spousel abuse!!:disgust:
 

Gravity

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Originally posted by: NogginBoink
My wife and I went to four sessions and saw no value in it. I personally think it was the counselor we were seeing, and not counseling in general, that got that reaction from us. I think that my wife and I could fix some of our problems if we could find the right counselor, but we have no idea how to find such an idividual.

(Asking friends for referrals just doesn't seem right... "Hey, me and wifey are having problems. Know of any good marriage counselors? Great. Say... how do you know him? Really? So your and your wife are screwed up too, eh? Yeah? She WHAT? Damn! You two ARE screwed up!....)

Well, my experience is that most couples go through some sort of trial eventually. I think it's rare that a couple just breezes through marriage like great pals but I'm told it does happen. You just think you're screwed up because you don't know the norm. Heck, you could be much more normal that most couples!
 

Gravity

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Originally posted by: NorthRiver
Originally posted by: Gravity
Originally posted by: dabuddha
It won't work unless you actually do want it to work.

Yup, I get a sense that it's pretty one-sided. Seems like wifey is interested in Revenge vs. Reconciling.


Brother,my ex wife is still extracting revenge for things that never happened, and unfortunatly we have a child together:disgust:


She is the poster wife for spousel abuse!!:disgust:

Ya, and when we complain about abuse even if it's verbal, we're accused (well, me anyways) of playing the victim role and not being tough. Reverse the roles and you have classic "domestic violence."

I feel you.
 

NogginBoink

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Originally posted by: Gravity
Originally posted by: NogginBoink
My wife and I went to four sessions and saw no value in it. I personally think it was the counselor we were seeing, and not counseling in general, that got that reaction from us. I think that my wife and I could fix some of our problems if we could find the right counselor, but we have no idea how to find such an idividual.

(Asking friends for referrals just doesn't seem right... "Hey, me and wifey are having problems. Know of any good marriage counselors? Great. Say... how do you know him? Really? So your and your wife are screwed up too, eh? Yeah? She WHAT? Damn! You two ARE screwed up!....)

Well, my experience is that most couples go through some sort of trial eventually. I think it's rare that a couple just breezes through marriage like great pals but I'm told it does happen. You just think you're screwed up because you don't know the norm. Heck, you could be much more normal that most couples!

Oh, we're normal I'm sure... we're just looking for help with a problem that we think could be solved quicker and easier than if we went it alone.
 

Isla

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Originally posted by: NogginBoink
My wife and I went to four sessions and saw no value in it. I personally think it was the counselor we were seeing, and not counseling in general, that got that reaction from us. I think that my wife and I could fix some of our problems if we could find the right counselor, but we have no idea how to find such an idividual.

(Asking friends for referrals just doesn't seem right... "Hey, me and wifey are having problems. Know of any good marriage counselors? Great. Say... how do you know him? Really? So your and your wife are screwed up too, eh? Yeah? She WHAT? Damn! You two ARE screwed up!....)


There are a lot of mediocre and even BAD counselors out there. A girlfriend of mine has been half-heartedly working on a degree in counseling. She has already decided who she will counsel and who she will not, and she hasn't even graduated yet. I would never recommend her as a counselor, even though I love her personally.

I have not yet decided whether to get my MA in counseling or in special ed. I sort of lean towards special ed... kids don't ask to be born screwed up!

Don't be afraid to 'interview' counselors. Ask people about their success rates! A good counselor is genuinely interested in helping you solve your problems and then SAYING GOODBYE! It took us a few tries to find true professionals, and now we see them 'as needed'.

One of the first things ours did was listen to us both and tell us what she was hearing. She let us get all the hurt out and then she asked us if we wanted to try to fix things. And then we had to listen to her and follow her advice. She cut right to the chase, and I appreciate that!
 

PanzerIV

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Originally posted by: munruss
well, my wife and i decided to go to counseling because we thought that we hated each other. Well, $1000 later and the "doctor" was right. I really do hate my wife and I hope she checks into a coffin. Other than that, life is jolly.

The "doctor" made us to these stupid exercizes. For example, look each other in our eyes and say some stuff. I just wanted to say how much I hated her, right in her face. OK, enough about that! How are you doing with it?

LMAO. I know you were serious yet that was pretty damn funny.
 

Gravity

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Originally posted by: Isla
Originally posted by: NogginBoink
My wife and I went to four sessions and saw no value in it. I personally think it was the counselor we were seeing, and not counseling in general, that got that reaction from us. I think that my wife and I could fix some of our problems if we could find the right counselor, but we have no idea how to find such an idividual.

(Asking friends for referrals just doesn't seem right... "Hey, me and wifey are having problems. Know of any good marriage counselors? Great. Say... how do you know him? Really? So your and your wife are screwed up too, eh? Yeah? She WHAT? Damn! You two ARE screwed up!....)


There are a lot of mediocre and even BAD counselors out there. A girlfriend of mine has been half-heartedly working on a degree in counseling. She has already decided who she will counsel and who she will not, and she hasn't even graduated yet. I would never recommend her as a counselor, even though I love her personally.

I have not yet decided whether to get my MA in counseling or in special ed. I sort of lean towards special ed... kids don't ask to be born screwed up!

Don't be afraid to 'interview' counselors. Ask people about their success rates! A good counselor is genuinely interested in helping you solve your problems and then SAYING GOODBYE! It took us a few tries to find true professionals, and now we see them 'as needed'.

One of the first things ours did was listen to us both and tell us what she was hearing. She let us get all the hurt out and then she asked us if we wanted to try to fix things. And then we had to listen to her and follow her advice. She cut right to the chase, and I appreciate that!

I like our counselor but I wish she'd administer a bit more "thump" at times. Especially when wifey won't own up to stuff or dances around questions.
 

munruss

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LOL! Nah, I made it up. I'm not married. If you and your wife have to see couples help, just end the marriage now.
 

Gravity

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Originally posted by: munruss
LOL! Nah, I made it up. I'm not married. If you and your wife have to see couples help, just end the marriage now.

Dude, that's pretty cruel. Hope you don't actually find yourself in that spot one day.