Markos Moulitsas (Daily Kos) Livid At Weakness Of Harry Reid

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Markos Moulitsas, founder and publisher of Daily Kos, is in a rage (what else is new?) that the Democrat One-Party Senate is not moving in lockstep with the Pelosi controlled Democrat One-Party House.

He blames Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) for being a slacker and urges that Reid move spitspot to remove aging Democrat Senators that are still clinging to life - namely Senators Kennedy (D-MA) and Byrd (D-WV) - but not attending to the Obama Administration's business of "reforming" American health care.

Apparently, KOS has gotten the idea that the euthanasia aspects of the pending government run health care system are already in place. They are not (praise Allah!) and both Senator Kennedy and Senator Byrd are on indefinite life support. Which fills KOS with fury (what else is new?)

Now, I myself believe that life is sacred and that even in old age one may and should experience the pleasures and the challenges of the most precious gift of all, which is life itself. I question those who's hell bent intent is the taking away of such a gift, never theirs to give nor theirs to take away, and I wonder at their humanity.

Abortion of the yet to be born and euthanasia of the aged are but two sides of the same coin and it seems as though the Progressives see it the same way.

Flimsy Reid
By Markos Moulitsas
The Hill
Posted: 08/04/09 05:45 PM [ET]

Flimsy Reid

Moulitsas is founder and publisher of Daily Kos (www.dailykos.com).

With 50 votes and Vice President Dick Cheney?s tiebreaker, Republicans strutted around the Senate as if they had a national mandate. Democrats, given a 60-vote supermajority by voters, do little more than make excuses for failure.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) is the chief culprit, routinely citing the need for that magical 60-vote margin as his answer for his chamber?s ineffectiveness. Indeed, the Senate is where good legislation goes to die, much to the chagrin of the more activist House. Reid?s Senate watered down President Barack Obama?s stimulus package, and now the Senate is attempting to block additional money for the wildly successful cash-for-clunkers program that is revitalizing the domestic auto industry. And it?s the Senate that?s currently providing the biggest roadblock to effective healthcare reform.

The magical 60-vote margin seemed a plausible ? if lame ? excuse when the Senate was stuck at 57 Democrats and two Independents in the Democratic caucus, but the swearing-in of Al Franken should have laid that alibi to rest. With 60 votes, the Democrats now own the chamber. Any failures are theirs alone.

But with Reid, there is always another reason for ineffectiveness, and the latest is that Democrats only have 58 senators, because Sens. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts and Robert Byrd of West Virginia are absent with illness. It may be a cruel turn of fate for Kennedy to see his life?s work come near fruition from a hospital bed, but he (like Byrd) has been unavailable for key votes this session. It is not fair to either of their substantial legacies for their absence to become an excuse for Democratic impotence on healthcare.

Democrats, therefore, are faced with two choices: admit that the problem doesn?t lie with Byrd and Kennedy, but with senators like Montana?s Max Baucus and North Dakota?s Kent Conrad, who seem hell-bent on destroying healthcare reform for the benefit of their insurance-company benefactors ? or gently ask that Kennedy and Byrd retire.

West Virginia?s Democratic governor could immediately replace Byrd by appointment , but Massachusetts is a bit more complicated ? the seat would remain vacant for six months before a special election would fill the vacancy. State lawmakers eliminated the right of their governor to fill Senate vacancies in 2004 to prevent the then-Republican governor from filling John Kerry?s seat with a Republican if Kerry won the presidency.

A six-month vacancy would present serious problems for the Obama and Democratic agenda, but Massachusetts lawmakers could quickly tweak the law, borrowing from the Lone Star State: Texas allows governors to fill Senate vacancies for an interim, while voters get to make the final call several months later. It?s a perfect balance between a state?s need for representation in D.C. and the need to fill such vacancies democratically.

This is obviously a sensitive matter, as Byrd and Kennedy are larger-than-life figures in the political world. But the healthcare of tens of millions of Americans is on the line. Democrats need to be at full strength for this battle. If Byrd and Kennedy are no longer able to engage, then the two venerable senators should consider stepping aside so that substitutes can fulfill their legacies.

However, this scenario is only necessary if Byrd and Kennedy are truly no longer capable of casting votes. Given Reid?s penchant for excuse-making, that?s not a certainty. From the first day he controlled the chamber, it?s been clear Reid would suffer with a true 60-seat majority; at last, he?d be held accountable for the failures of his caucus to deliver the change the voters demanded.
 

Genx87

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I love it. Just a few months into this debacle and the democrats are turning on themselves.
 

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Circle jerk in progress!! PJ makes a good pivot man, he should run for public office.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Genx87
I love it. Just a few months into this debacle and the democrats are turning on themselves.

DailyKos and other sites like it have been attempting to replace conservative Democrats with more liberal ones for years, and have been very vocal about it.

'Just a few months in' would be about 4 years ago.
 

PJABBER

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PJ makes a good pivot man, he should run for public office.

"If nominated, I'll decline. If drafted, I'll defer. And if elected, I'll resign,"

Alex Salmond, subsequently First Minister of Scotland
 

theeedude

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Originally posted by: Genx87
I love it. Just a few months into this debacle and the democrats are turning on themselves.

Unlike conservatives who kept supporting GOP after it sold out all their principles, us liberals are going to keep pushing our agenda over party.
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Genx87
I love it. Just a few months into this debacle and the democrats are turning on themselves.

DailyKos and other sites like it have been attempting to replace conservative Democrats with more liberal ones for years, and have been very vocal about it.

'Just a few months in' would be about 4 years ago.

Senators Kennedy and Byrd are considered conservatives by DailyKOS?
 

Lemon law

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Lets see if I can quite get my arms around the thesis of this post. Seems like Markos Maulitsas is livid because both Harry Reid and the larger democratic senate is not liberal enough to suit his taste.

What no one seems to explain is why I should be concerned if Markos is livid, why I should be concerned that someone else is livid because they think Harry Reid is too liberal, and why I should lock step follow the livid because they froth at the mouth better than any one else.

Say after me until the symptoms of livid abate, keep chanting "You can't always get what you want, you can't always get what you want."
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Genx87
I love it. Just a few months into this debacle and the democrats are turning on themselves.

DailyKos and other sites like it have been attempting to replace conservative Democrats with more liberal ones for years, and have been very vocal about it.

'Just a few months in' would be about 4 years ago.

Senators Kennedy and Byrd are considered conservatives by DailyKOS?

No, if you read the article you would see that DailyKos is specifically stating that Kennedy and Byrd are senators that they like.

You should probably be more careful before making posts that reveal that you didn't even read the article that you posted yourself and made an entire thread about.
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Genx87
I love it. Just a few months into this debacle and the democrats are turning on themselves.

DailyKos and other sites like it have been attempting to replace conservative Democrats with more liberal ones for years, and have been very vocal about it.

'Just a few months in' would be about 4 years ago.

Senators Kennedy and Byrd are considered conservatives by DailyKOS?

No, if you read the article you would see that DailyKos is specifically stating that Kennedy and Byrd are senators that they like.

You should probably be more careful before making posts that reveal that you didn't even read the article that you posted yourself and made an entire thread about.

If Markos Moulitsas likes Kennedy and Byrd so much, why is he so eager to pull the plug on them? Literally, if the proposed legislation comes to pass and they are subject to its tenets, figuratively otherwise.
 

Lemon law

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Originally posted by: OCguy
This is getting good now.
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No, this is getting good for nothing now, but wait, the whole thread was DOA before it started.
 

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But with Reid, there is always another reason for ineffectiveness, and the latest is that Democrats only have 58 senators, because Sens. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts and Robert Byrd of West Virginia are absent with illness. It may be a cruel turn of fate for Kennedy to see his life?s work come near fruition from a hospital bed, but he (like Byrd) has been unavailable for key votes this session. It is not fair to either of their substantial legacies for their absence to become an excuse for Democratic impotence on healthcare.
 

Lemon law

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Originally posted by: Sacrilege
But with Reid, there is always another reason for ineffectiveness, and the latest is that Democrats only have 58 senators, because Sens. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts and Robert Byrd of West Virginia are absent with illness. It may be a cruel turn of fate for Kennedy to see his life?s work come near fruition from a hospital bed, but he (like Byrd) has been unavailable for key votes this session. It is not fair to either of their substantial legacies for their absence to become an excuse for Democratic impotence on healthcare.
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Partly not a huge democratic concern. (1) When the vote is critical, the dems will wheel the nearly dead Senators in for the critical votes, and then its back to the hospital. (2)
Sadly or happily depending on viewpoint, death is likely to soon claim Byrd and Ted Kennedy, thus opening up their Senate seats for a replacement. But sorry Charlie GOP, the probability that those replacements will be someone of the GOP persecution, is somewhere between slim and none. The current sitting Governor of West Virgina is a democrat whose term ends in 2013.
 

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Originally posted by: PJABBER

West Virginia?s Democratic governor could immediately replace Byrd by appointment , but Massachusetts is a bit more complicated ? the seat would remain vacant for six months before a special election would fill the vacancy. State lawmakers eliminated the right of their governor to fill Senate vacancies in 2004 to prevent the then-Republican governor from filling John Kerry?s seat with a Republican if Kerry won the presidency.

Ahh, the wonderful foresight of politicians.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Genx87
I love it. Just a few months into this debacle and the democrats are turning on themselves.

DailyKos and other sites like it have been attempting to replace conservative Democrats with more liberal ones for years, and have been very vocal about it.

'Just a few months in' would be about 4 years ago.

Senators Kennedy and Byrd are considered conservatives by DailyKOS?

No, if you read the article you would see that DailyKos is specifically stating that Kennedy and Byrd are senators that they like.

You should probably be more careful before making posts that reveal that you didn't even read the article that you posted yourself and made an entire thread about.

If Markos Moulitsas likes Kennedy and Byrd so much, why is he so eager to pull the plug on them? Literally, if the proposed legislation comes to pass and they are subject to its tenets, figuratively otherwise.

You read your own article, right? It specifically states that if they cannot perform their duties, they should be replaced... which is what any reasonable person would think.

As for the rest of your post, stop being stupid.
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Genx87
I love it. Just a few months into this debacle and the democrats are turning on themselves.

DailyKos and other sites like it have been attempting to replace conservative Democrats with more liberal ones for years, and have been very vocal about it.

'Just a few months in' would be about 4 years ago.

Senators Kennedy and Byrd are considered conservatives by DailyKOS?

No, if you read the article you would see that DailyKos is specifically stating that Kennedy and Byrd are senators that they like.

You should probably be more careful before making posts that reveal that you didn't even read the article that you posted yourself and made an entire thread about.

If Markos Moulitsas likes Kennedy and Byrd so much, why is he so eager to pull the plug on them? Literally, if the proposed legislation comes to pass and they are subject to its tenets, figuratively otherwise.

You read your own article, right? It specifically states that if they cannot perform their duties, they should be replaced... which is what any reasonable person would think.

As for the rest of your post, stop being stupid.

How will the Democrats know when they are brain dead? Or does that matter in the context of having a reliable vote?
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: eskimospy

You read your own article, right? It specifically states that if they cannot perform their duties, they should be replaced... which is what any reasonable person would think.

As for the rest of your post, stop being stupid.

How will the Democrats know when they are brain dead? Or does that matter in the context of having a reliable vote?

Aren't you the guy who's always whining about how you're looking for a quality debate?
 

Siddhartha

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A Democratic Senate trying to kick out Democrats because they are ill or old sounds like political suicide to me. I am not sure if it is constitutional to do this but trying to do this would tie up the Senate for years and would end up in the USSC.
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: Siddhartha
A Democratic Senate trying to kick out Democrats because they are ill or old sounds like political suicide to me. I am not sure if it is constitutional to do this but trying to do this would tie up the Senate for years and would end up in the USSC.

I guess you didn't read the article either.

Nobody is trying to kick anyone out, the article suggested "gently asking" them to retire.
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: PJABBER
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Genx87
I love it. Just a few months into this debacle and the democrats are turning on themselves.

DailyKos and other sites like it have been attempting to replace conservative Democrats with more liberal ones for years, and have been very vocal about it.

'Just a few months in' would be about 4 years ago.

Senators Kennedy and Byrd are considered conservatives by DailyKOS?

No, if you read the article you would see that DailyKos is specifically stating that Kennedy and Byrd are senators that they like.

You should probably be more careful before making posts that reveal that you didn't even read the article that you posted yourself and made an entire thread about.

If Markos Moulitsas likes Kennedy and Byrd so much, why is he so eager to pull the plug on them? Literally, if the proposed legislation comes to pass and they are subject to its tenets, figuratively otherwise.

Ahh and the truth comes out, even with this name you still have NFC what you are FW:FW:FW to the group.
 

PJABBER

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Siddhartha
A Democratic Senate trying to kick out Democrats because they are ill or old sounds like political suicide to me. I am not sure if it is constitutional to do this but trying to do this would tie up the Senate for years and would end up in the USSC.

I guess you didn't read the article either.

Nobody is trying to kick anyone out, the article suggested "gently asking" them to retire.

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Dylan Thomas
 

PJABBER

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Ahh and the truth comes out, even with this name you still have NFC what you are FW:FW:FW to the group.

For the life of me I cannot understand what this guy is saying.
 

Pens1566

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Originally posted by: PJABBER
Ahh and the truth comes out, even with this name you still have NFC what you are FW:FW:FW to the group.

For the life of me I cannot understand what this guy is saying.

I believe another username said that same thing ..... hmmmmm