well after seeing benchmarks at other hardware sites such as anandtech, toms, and so on, those benchmarks are exaggerated and in some cases incorrect, i recall seeing the 6800gt performing far better listed then those listed on the slides as well as the ultra. I just find it amusing that video card manufacturers dump on each other in such a manner as putting up exaggerated benches that look to make a rival companies card look so bad in comparison, and how quick they are to rip each other. I guess thats just how the business world works.