Marines to deploy tilt-rotor aircraft to Iraq

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Lurknomore

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How about a helicopter with an A-10 type bathtub frame?
Might be cheaper and much more durable.
I've heard nothing but bad news(fed by the media) about the osprey during the 90's.
 

Jawo

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Originally posted by: jagec
In addition, people on the ground cannot hear the aircraft approaching

What, it's supersonic?:confused:

I disagree...last summer I was at the beach near Camp Lejune, NC...nearly every morning the harriers and ospreys were thundering overhead
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: Strk
Doesn't it crash most of the time?

Only if you believe the liberal media.

Like Popular Science? :confused:

("most of the time" is obviously an exaggeration)

Take the tinfoil hat off.


Did you not get the memo? Everbody knows reality has a well-known liberal bias. ;)


Oh and I guess the military is liberal as well...

"The aircraft has been redesigned after two fatal accidents in 2000 that killed 23 Marines. Accidents in 1991 and 1992 killed seven other people, but Marines say the plane's problems are in the past."

Even they admit there were problems. Damm liberal marines.
 

manowar821

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: Strk
Doesn't it crash most of the time?

Only if you believe the liberal media.

Like Popular Science? :confused:

("most of the time" is obviously an exaggeration)

Take the tinfoil hat off.


Did you not get the memo? Everbody knows reality has a well-known liberal bias. ;)


Oh and I guess the military is liberal as well...

"The aircraft has been redesigned after two fatal accidents in 2000 that killed 23 Marines. Accidents in 1991 and 1992 killed seven other people, but Marines say the plane's problems are in the past."

Even they admit there were problems. Damm liberal marines.

LOL

Seriously for a moment, though. Perhaps they got the kinks out of it?

It's an awesome concept, should it actually work the way it was intended.

I'm still curious as to why "orca type" chopper/planes were never made... That would have been cooler. (Kind of a jet version of the osprey)
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: manowar821
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: mugs
Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: Strk
Doesn't it crash most of the time?

Only if you believe the liberal media.

Like Popular Science? :confused:

("most of the time" is obviously an exaggeration)

Take the tinfoil hat off.


Did you not get the memo? Everbody knows reality has a well-known liberal bias. ;)


Oh and I guess the military is liberal as well...

"The aircraft has been redesigned after two fatal accidents in 2000 that killed 23 Marines. Accidents in 1991 and 1992 killed seven other people, but Marines say the plane's problems are in the past."

Even they admit there were problems. Damm liberal marines.

LOL

Seriously for a moment, though. Perhaps they got the kinks out of it?

It's an awesome concept, should it actually work the way it was intended.

I'm still curious as to why "orca type" chopper/planes were never made... That would have been cooler. (Kind of a jet version of the osprey)

They added a warning system to prevent the kind of situation that causes it to crash. GTAudiophile's assertion that the problems with the Osprey were exaggerated by the "liberal media" is absurd. Like Marlin said,if it didn't have any problems, why did they fix it?
 

quentinterintino

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I saw this a/c doing touch and go's while I was waiting to depart in Albuquerque. It's pretty impressive up close and the prop wash on those rotors are insane. Glad to see it's operational.
 

TehMac

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Osprey at cruising speed goes 250 knots. The Ch-46E (current one) goes around 150. No helicopter is silent, I've heard black hawks, CH-53s, CH-46s, they're all extremely loud. So its not that much of a surprise to me. I've seen some future concept art, of where they might develop it, and many are thinking of attaching a six barreled 20mm barrel Gatling gun to the nose, right on, as a chin turret.
And the idea is that this can carry 75 troops to a destination in the same amount of time it takes a CH-53 to carry 55. As well as being faster, more maneuverable etc.
The Spec Ops Airforce is adopting these as well, for parachuting missions.

I personally am rooting for a Gatling gun, because the only other defense weapon is a rear mounted m240 machine gun.
I'm very interested in its development, the concept has been in line since the 1950's.
I'm glad to see the marines get a new piece of equipment to replace the CH-46. I like the CH-46 alot, but its been in service for 30 years.
Originally posted by: Lurknomore
How about a helicopter with an A-10 type bathtub frame?
Might be cheaper and much more durable.
Enter the CH-53, the aircraft whose transport duties this aircraft is designed to replace.

As for accidents, from what I've read, they can be avoided by tilting the rotors forward and avoiding pop wash, which is basically thin air (no pun intended) and the rotors have nothing to grip, stalling the engine and causing a lot of mayhem.
So they've been amending problems, and no new thing comes without risk. I'm sure it'll be able to prove itself in Iraq.
 

TehMac

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Personally, I think the US should develop an aircraft more in line with the Mi-28 Hind, a gunship, transport, and anti tank platform all in one. Without the mistakes the Mi-28 made.
 

sdifox

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So VTOL transport is finally ready. Took long enough. I hope it does well.
 

mugs

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Originally posted by: sdifox
So VTOL transport is finally ready. Took long enough. I hope it does well.

Seriously - they had it in Command & Conquer years ago :p
 

Captante

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As I recall most of the problems with the Osprey had to do with the design being a bit ahead of the computer technology required to help control it safely making the transition from vertical lift/flight provided by the rotors to horizontal flight with the wings providing lift & those issues have been mostly solved making the re-designed aircraft much safer.

I have to say that the first thing that popped into my head upon reading this however had nothing to do with the cool technology, but rather with how much more money this was going to cost us.
 

TehMac

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Future concepts have the Osprey mounting a 3 barreled Gatling Gun turret. If that happened, the Osprey would be set, because it now has a turret gunner, and a rear gunner. I do hope they implement that.
 

Fritzo

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Originally posted by: GTaudiophile
Originally posted by: Strk
Doesn't it crash most of the time?

Only if you believe the liberal media.

I was in high school when they started development of the Osprey, and it almost got scrapped because they couldn't get the damn thing stable. Computer tech came to the rescue, so I guess it's fixed now.

 

irishScott

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NICE! Kinda like the Harier jet. Before computer control, it was almost impossible to keep stable.