Marines Self-Destruct

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Marines Self-Destruct

OP-ED
Robert S. Finnegan
Managing Editor
Southeast Asia News


?There isn?t a trick in the racketeering bag that the military gang is blind to. It has its ?finger men? to point out enemies, its ?muscle men? to destroy enemies, its ?brain guys? to plan war preparations, and a ?Big Boss, Supra-nationalistic Capitalism. It may seem odd for me a military man, to adopt such a comparison. Truthfulness compels me to do so. I spent thirty-five years and four months in active service as a member of our country?s most agile military force, the Marine Corps.

?I served in all commissioned ranks from Second Lieutenant to Major General. During that period I spent most of my life being a high-class muscle man for big business, Wall Street and the Bankers. In short, I was a racketeer ? a gangster for Capitalism.

?I suspected I was just part of the racket at the time. Now I am sure of it. Like most members of the military profession I never had an original thought until I left the service. My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher-ups. This is typical of anyone in the military.

?Thus I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Hati and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenue. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. The record of racketeering is long. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1909-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for American sugar interests in 1916. In China in 1927 I helped Standard Oil.

?During those years I had, as the boys in the back room say, a swell racket. I was rewarded with honors, medals, and promotion. Looking back on it, I feel I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was operate in three city districts: I operated on three continents?.

Major General Smedley D. Butler, USMC, as quoted in Money, December 1951.


11/13/04 "ICH" -- If only we had a Smedley D. Butler clone in the Corps today, Bush and his gang of Nazi wanna-be?s would certainly have their hands full.

Sickened by the deterioration of my Marine Corps - indeed what looks to be the destruction of anything resembling honor and fidelity - I must now relegate myself to the past Corps, where we at least had a semblance of our duties to ourselves and to our country. No more will I consider myself a part of today?s elite organization that began in Tun Tavern in 1775. I cannot lend my name to the sycophantic, mindless robots that now fill out our ranks. Marines who kill for fun. Who kill without question. Who kill for their false God, George Bush.

How did this come to pass? How was an honorable fighting force subjugated, degraded, and turned into unrepentant killers of civilians? We who prided ourselves as being above all other services, officers, NCOs, and enlisted who knew the difference between right and wrong on the battlefield and would die protecting the civilian population from excesses? What has happened to us?

To see my kids ? yeah, MY KIDS ? in a video clip exulting over the killing of an unarmed civilian with overwhelming firepower was the end of my association with today?s Marine Corps. Brain-dead Marine Corps Corporals and Sergeants mugging to the BBC camera, shouting ?right on?, as they observe an unarmed Iraqi they have turned into hamburger from a fortified position with overwhelming firepower.

Some warriors. Perhaps their God Bush will give them absolution, and then hey, it?s right back to the killing. Fundamentalist Christian rock before the battle, baptism in a water-filled dinghy by prostitutes wearing the cross of the chaplain. Our slain comrades? Let Bush take care of ?em.

This is straight out of an acid-induced nightmare.

So my children go forth to slaughter innocent civilians in Fallujah. May your God Bush bury you in cheap metal caskets. Perhaps the shedding of your blood will partially wash away the everlasting stain and disgrace you have brought upon our Corps. Our Corps and history will damn you. You will know everlasting shame.

And a final warning to young Marines ? should you fire on American civilians in some future domestic insanity, you will be destroyed by your own kind ? that?s right kids ? your parents in the ?Old Corps? will see to it that the likes of you will never plague the earth again.

Robert S. Finnegan is the Managing Editor of Southeast Asia News, a former Non-Commissioned Officer in the United States Marine Corps and the lead investigator/Senior Editor for The Jakarta Post, Jakarta Indonesia on the Bali bombings of 2002. He may be reached at seanews1@yahoo.com.[/i][url="http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article7283.htm"]link[/url]
 

Riprorin

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It's hard to take a guy that describes the majority of the American electorate as "mindless, beer-swilling sheep" very seriously.
 

Moonbeam

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It's hard for us mindless beer-wlilling sheep to take a guy that describes the majority of the American electorate as "mindless, beer-swilling sheep" very seriously.

 

Squisher

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It's hard for us mindless beer-wlilling sheep to take a guy that describes the majority of the American electorate as "mindless, beer-swilling sheep" very seriously.
:beer:
 

chess9

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Gee, I think that's a very KIND description of the American electorate. Of course, in 1951 half the people still had half a brain.

God forbid what he'd say today. :)

-Robert
 

judasmachine

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
It's hard for us mindless beer-wlilling sheep to take a guy that describes the majority of the American electorate as "mindless, beer-swilling sheep" very seriously.



:beer::):beer:
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: chess9
Gee, I think that's a very KIND description of the American electorate. Of course, in 1951 half the people still had half a brain.

God forbid what he'd say today. :)

-Robert

He made this comment on March 27, 2003.

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BBond

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: chess9
Gee, I think that's a very KIND description of the American electorate. Of course, in 1951 half the people still had half a brain.

God forbid what he'd say today. :)

-Robert

He made this comment on March 27, 2003.

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He was right on March 27, 2003 and the situation has only deteriorated since.

 

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If he wants to make his point, he should point out that honor in warfare was lost over 600 years ago when gunpowder weaponry was developed and hand-to-hand/melee combat was no longer necessary. :D
 

slyedog

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what kind of b/s crap is this? and the same goes for grgr, who i bet never spent a day in the military.
what country do these "experts" come from?
 

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Originally posted by: slyedog
what country do these "experts" come from?
Major General Smedley D. Butler, USMC.

Robert S. Finnegan is the Managing Editor of Southeast Asia News, a former Non-Commissioned Officer in the United States Marine Corps.

The country these "experts" come from is the United States of America, and they come from the Corps. What about you, chickenhawk?

 

Gen Stonewall

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Robert S. Finnegan is the Managing Editor of Southeast Asia News, a former Non-Commissioned Officer in the United States Marine Corps

That reveals nothing of his authority or position in the Marines. The only conclusion I can make is that this man is very bitter and tasteless.
 

Grunt03

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Wow I find this very interesting.

1. I must now relegate myself to the past Corps, where we at least had a semblance of our duties to ourselves and to our country.
I do not know what books you have read but the US military wasn't exactly angles during the Vietnam war, WW1, WW2, and the list will go on and on. Just look into the Battle of Okinawa. You will find our troops killed unarmed civilians, raped women amoung other things, like stealing items and shipping it home. We could go more recent and look at Somalia and Desert Storm. Once more we weren't the example for others to follow.



2. I cannot lend my name to the sycophantic, mindless robots that now fill out our ranks. Marines who kill for fun. Who kill without question. Who kill for their false God, George Bush.

I really cannot beleave this, I guess you would be willing to say that nonething good is happening in Iraq.
Let me ask you a three part question. When were you in Iraq? Where were you located at? What MOS do you have? Once I get the answers to these questions I should be able to understand why you would make these remarks. I guess you do not see the SGT's and the Cpl's takeing their squad on patrols while the SNCO and the LT remain behind. Perhaps that haveing a LT on point is good in your book. The SNCO was to scared to go out with his men. How about when indirect fire is needed and a young Sgt knocks down a wall so the aiming stakes can be laid, to provide fire support for his company. I could go on and on, but I have a feeling it would do no good.

3 How did this come to pass? How was an honorable fighting force subjugated, degraded, and turned into unrepentant killers of civilians? We who prided ourselves as being above all other services, officers, NCOs, and enlisted who knew the difference between right and wrong on the battlefield and would die protecting the civilian population from excesses? What has happened to us?

Your right, this isn't happening anymore. We all do no good and have lost all morals.....

I am a grunt by trade and have been to war and have laid it on the line for our Corps and our country. When put in harms way I could only think of one thing, kill them before they killed me. I went in with 47 young men and we returned to our homeland 47 mature men.......

grunt03 sends..........
 

LunarRay

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Grunt03,
2. I cannot lend my name to the sycophantic, mindless robots that now fill out our ranks. Marines who kill for fun. Who kill without question. Who kill for their false God, George Bush.

I really cannot beleave this, I guess you would be willing to say that nonething good is happening in Iraq.
Let me ask you a three part question. When were you in Iraq? Where were you located at? What MOS do you have? Once I get the answers to these questions I should be able to understand why you would make these remarks. I guess you do not see the SGT's and the Cpl's takeing their squad on patrols while the SNCO and the LT remain behind. Perhaps that haveing a LT on point is good in your book. The SNCO was to scared to go out with his men. How about when indirect fire is needed and a young Sgt knocks down a wall so the aiming stakes can be laid, to provide fire support for his company. I could go on and on, but I have a feeling it would do no good.

I don't follow your statement to the point you address. But that aside, I'm not sure the roll of a staff nco is to be on a squad size patrol and for sure no platoon officer would be on it either... I don't think.
I think the point is to do with folks blowing away the 'enemy' who he depicts as helpless and then having a grand old time of it. I may be wrong but that is what I got out of the piece.
And don't lob any of them 105's down my way... :)
 

Grunt03

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I guess I needed to go into more details, but cannot. Lets just say that on certain missions, and with certain paltoons SNCO's do take patrols out. I have seen first hand, many SNCO's do not know what they are doing. As far as the usless killings, No one can say for certain tht this is happening. The country is to big and to many operations are ongoing all hours of the day. However to paint a picture that all civilians are being gunned down for sport is just foolish........
 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: Grunt03
I guess I needed to go into more details, but cannot. Lets just say that on certain missions, and with certain paltoons SNCO's do take patrols out. I have seen first hand, many SNCO's do not know what they are doing. As far as the usless killings, No one can say for certain tht this is happening. The country is to big and to many operations are ongoing all hours of the day. However to paint a picture that all civilians are being gunned down for sport is just foolish........

Well.. I'll of course defer to your expertise on the matter. Staff is E7 and above, right... Gunny? or do you mean a Staff Sgt. E6.. ? In any event, I'm familiar with years ago.. Vietnam and much has changed and what the objective is has alot to do with it, I'm sure. I'd expect high level expertise if someone was dealing with sensitive objectives rather than simply patrol action.

I don't think ALL civilians is what he is saying.. I think the point is that if just one is killed and the Marine then 'mugs' for the BBC that is a bit sick to see happen. It would seem that the life taken - all be it in combat - was meaningless... I have a problem with that attitude, generally.

Edit: I would add that Marines that are Staff NCO's today were PVT and SGT yesterday... I don't think they digressed that much.. but maybe....
 

Grunt03

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if just one is killed and the Marine then 'mugs' for the BBC that is a bit sick to see happen. It would seem that the life taken - all be it in combat - was meaningless... I have a problem with that attitude, generally.

I to would find it hard to look at this type of person and say he is human. I would like to say that time will tell all.
 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: Grunt03
if just one is killed and the Marine then 'mugs' for the BBC that is a bit sick to see happen. It would seem that the life taken - all be it in combat - was meaningless... I have a problem with that attitude, generally.

I to would find it hard to look at this type of person and say he is human. I would like to say that time will tell all.

You did and it will.. Such is life, I guess and death.

This business of war has a stress filled work day... I rather doubt an eighteen year old private has a clue about the stress he releases when there is finality to the just occured fire fight... It may be a normal reaction to be happy it is over and he survived.... I know I'd be scared poopless if I was there..
 

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There was a video on here a while back that made me sick. It was a film of soldiers firing on and exploding a downed Iraqi as he lay wounded on the ground.
 

LunarRay

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Originally posted by: Moonbeam
There was a video on here a while back that made me sick. It was a film of soldiers firing on and exploding a downed Iraqi as he lay wounded on the ground.


I saw that. I think the video showed the rounds as they hit the street then the helpless Iraqi. That is what I find ... unnecessary killing. I don't recall any laughing in that one but did see one that had the Soldiers having a grand time as the shot up a housing unit.. well a refuge for some sniper or something..