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[Carson Dyle]

I would draw a significant distinction though between smuggling it from Colorado (as I understood what you have described) versus actually smuggling it from Mexico.

"California grower". California. I'm just countering your assertion that all black market weed in the state is grown here. It's not.

 

[Chaotic42]

I never understood the rage against weed.

I don't smoke it myself,.. never even tried it, other than 2nd hand smoke at concerts,.. but, if you do, more power to you.

I've seen more damage from drunk people than people high on weed.

I've never gotten a straight answer out of anyone about why it should be illegal. I usually get "it's bad". When I ask why, I get "it's illegal".

 

[Aegeon]

"California grower". California. I'm just countering your assertion that all black market weed in the state is grown here. It's not.

That's fair enough, but still a big distinction than actually smuggling the marijuana from Mexico. I also suspect the economics of that kind of operation are going to get iffier as the economies of scale I was talking about for legal operations in Colorado continue to improve. (Although if issues such as the banking situation for marijuana businesses in the state get resolved that would also be helpful.)

 

[ThinClient]

That's fair enough, but still a big distinction than actually smuggling the marijuana from Mexico. I also suspect the economics of that kind of operation are going to get iffier as the economies of scale I was talking about for legal operations in Colorado continue to improve. (Although if issues such as the banking situation for marijuana businesses in the state get resolved that would also be helpful.)

Nobody smokes shitty mexican ditch weed. Nobody.

If Californians are smoking quality weed that's not grown in California, it's coming from a northern direction, not a southern direction.

 

[Aegeon]

Nobody smokes shitty mexican ditch weed. Nobody.

If Californians are smoking quality weed that's not grown in California, it's coming from a northern direction, not a southern direction.

Stated as an absolute without clarification this is a misleading statement. (Its not even clear if you are suggesting no-one in any U.S. state smokes Mexican marijuana anymore.)

Mexican cartels are still smuggling marijuana into the U.S., and it has been a major source of their profits.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...d-haul-of-marijuana-smuggled-from-Mexico.html
http://fusion.net/story/4937/will-mexican-cartels-survive-marijuana-legalization/

Now with regards to California, while there presumably has been a reduction, (and I'm sure Mexican weed represents the low end of the market) marijuana is still clearly getting smuggled into California from Mexico.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/31/mexico-drug-tunnel_n_4183476.html

Given the geography of smuggling marijuana into San Diego, while there might be some exceptions, realistically the cartels are not ordinarily going to smuggle marijuana into a location like this if they have to subsequently smuggle it substantially further east to their destination. (Its simply easier to pick a border crossing closer to their target market.)

Presumably if California actually fully legalized retail marijuana that would represent a further hit to the cartels.

 

[zanejohnson]

i just wanted to clear up some misconceptions about the sources of pot...

here in texas, mexican pot is still very much alive (and the quality is on par with dispensary pot)

the difference is the price still... (although they have moved towards a common ground)

1oz mexican dank (seedless, high potency) runs ~$140
1oz mexican low grade (seedy, low potency) runs - $60
1oz high grade dispensary pot from california or colorado runs - $260

this is Dallas prices

alot of times the mexican dank stuff is actually the same cut as the low grade stuff, some parts get seeded, some parts are seedless, they get seperated after drying, the lower grade stuff gets packaged for immediate sale, and the higher grade stuff gets a month or so of cure.... and then gets packaged for sale

i dont know how much actually makes it north of TX/AZ/NM nowadays though, considering we're getting stuff from up north now in just as large of quantities available at the street level..but then again, the good mexican stuff was never really up north.... when i was in Reno, NV 5 years ago, there was no mexican pot...

 

[Jhhnn]

There's still Mexican pot in Denver- you just need to be hooked up to the Hispanic community to get it. Some of it is quite good, on a par w/ CA outdoor, but it's different strains than decades ago. The WoD made them go to modern hybrids that flower & finish faster than traditional varieties. It doesn't have the electrifying mind expanding effect that the best of it did 40 years ago. It's more of that Kush effect, more stoney than high.

 

[HOSED]

.....They stand to make billions. There's a lot of money in it for corporations. Hell, big tobacco would hardly need to make any changes to their existing facilities. So when we talk about the money, let's not act like it's all on the "keep it illegal" side of the issue.

One point I would would add to your excellent assesment is the extra chemicals that will be added to increase the addictive properties. And of course Monsanto will be right in the mix patenting the seeds and of course modifying Genes for max addiction of the masses. A decent argument appears here http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinio...cle_4b7ffc76-5cab-5569-a101-fbdba63e2c14.html
I thinks insurance companies should also triple premiums for users of this garbage as well as any FDA class 1 narcotic.
I can see the you tube adds now .. (flashback to 1950's) More Doctors smoke Maui Zowie than any other brand of pre rolled.....

 

[Jhhnn]

One point I would would add to your excellent assesment is the extra chemicals that will be added to increase the addictive properties. And of course Monsanto will be right in the mix patenting the seeds and of course modifying Genes for max addiction of the masses. A decent argument appears here http://www.stltoday.com/news/opinio...cle_4b7ffc76-5cab-5569-a101-fbdba63e2c14.html
I thinks insurance companies should also triple premiums for users of this garbage as well as any FDA class 1 narcotic.
I can see the you tube adds now .. (flashback to 1950's) More Doctors smoke Maui Zowie than any other brand of pre rolled.....

Fear monger often?

What would you add to marijuana to make it "more addictive"?

Not to mention the usual canards about GMO & Monsanto blended clumsily with the "Think of the children!" bullshit. Should we make corn illegal because of GMO & Monsanto?

And insurance companies should triple rates for responsible users based on what sort of scientific evidence, exactly?

Billions are already being made by illegal growers screwing up national forest land & by Mexican cartels, not to mention the fact that they have no qualms about using all sorts of chemicals in the process with nobody to stop them. Billions are also poured into the prison industrial complex as well with nothing to show for it other than the highest incarceration rate in the world.

It's all based on whipping up fear of the unknown among people well accustomed to accepting propaganda in a mindless way. That's obvious from the ever shifting rationale for prohibition & the willingness of some to follow along through all the discontinuities. It's all about projecting what might happen in the absence of real evidence of what does happen in a legal cannabis environment. You might notice that prohibitionists do their best to ignore what really is happening in CO, fear monger on in the face of mounting evidence that they've been dead wrong for generations. Our little "experiment" is one of the most closely observed & heavily documented social changes ever undertaken. It's getting pretty boring for the naysayers at this point because no disaster has befallen us, nor is there any indication that one might. We're quietly proving that legalization is good public policy, far superior to anything that's been done for the last 75 years. It just works better except for those having vested interests in maintaining the black market. You know- cartels, gangs, cops, prosecutors, prison profiteers & the whole legal apparatus used to support the old system, not to mention "conservative" politicians raving their way to re-election.

 

[HOSED]

. Should we make corn illegal because of GMO & Monsanto?
I am fairly certain an open can of corn would not harm a young child even if it contained GMO's. NOt so sure about a pack of blunts or pre rolls, or laced brownies.
BTW if GMO was so great why are millions being spent to influence voters and politicians to ban labeling (as the EU has reasonably done since the late 1990's). One would think this miracle of science would be touted on the labels.

One thing that comes to mind is menthol for addictive quality (reducing harshness) I am sure there are many articles backing up my point such as this http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/393075.stm
Before anyone forms an opinion on the weed the wisdom of Bill Bennett would be a very good place to start to get one logical side of the arguments against this reefer madness.
Disclaimer I disagree with Mr. Bennett on most all of his other stances.
Further disclaimer I do not work in the black market nor do I support republicrats.

 

[Brainonska511]

BTW if GMO was so great why are millions being spent to influence voters and politicians to ban labeling (as the EU has reasonably done since the late 1990's). One would think this miracle of science would be touted on the labels.

Ignorance.

And of course Monsanto will be right in the mix patenting the seeds and of course modifying Genes for max addiction of the masses.

Look out for big bad Monsanto . They are hardly the only player in the seed market and they are definitely not a monopoly. Farmers have choice when it comes to seeds - almost none of them want to save them. And since I'd like to keep this brief, did you know that companies have been modifying the genes in seeds since the late '40s? Instead of doing it in a directed fashion, like a GMO where a trait is inserted or a couple traits turned off, they just irradiate the seeds (or add certain chemicals that can cause DNA damage) to mutate the DNA randomly, then grow them all in a greenhouse and pick the ones that have the trait they want (but there may be hidden changes not picked up).

Natural doesn't always mean better. Read up on the poison potato.

 

[Jhhnn]

. Should we make corn illegal because of GMO & Monsanto?
I am fairly certain an open can of corn would not harm a young child even if it contained GMO's. NOt so sure about a pack of blunts or pre rolls, or laced brownies.

As compared to cigarette butts or chewing tobacco (Daddy puts it in his mouth), which can be lethal to toddlers? Alcohol? antifreeze? prescription drugs? Acetaminophen?

Nobody has ever demonstrated lasting harm to any child who ingested cannabis, and it's been happening for a few thousand years.

BTW if GMO was so great why are millions being spent to influence voters and politicians to ban labeling (as the EU has reasonably done since the late 1990's). One would think this miracle of science would be touted on the labels.

I have not expressed any opinion wrt GMO foods, other than to point out your fear mongering & false "linkage" to cannabis.

One thing that comes to mind is menthol for addictive quality (reducing harshness) I am sure there are many articles backing up my point such as this http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/393075.stm

Your linked article is fear mongering bunk-

Sweeteners and chocolate are used to make cigarettes more palatable to children

Hogwash. That's done to make cigarettes more palatable to adults.

Before anyone forms an opinion on the weed the wisdom of Bill Bennett would be a very good place to start to get one logical side of the arguments against this reefer madness.
Disclaimer I disagree with Mr. Bennett on most all of his other stances.
Further disclaimer I do not work in the black market nor do I support republicrats.

Bill Bennett? You should know better-

http://www.samefacts.com/2014/04/dr...nnett-and-the-technique-of-selective-reading/

He and his cronies at the Weekly Standard make excellent livings pandering to the emotional insecurity of fools on a variety of issues. Cannabis is no different. He drags out every canard ever used & you're down for it the way an East Colfax hooker is down for a Benjamin.

The problem for Bennett & yourself is that prohibition is no longer universal. The truth about legal cannabis is being meticulously & relentlessly documented here in CO, and what it's showing so far is that prohibition is based on falsehood. It's just that simple, and we're proving it every day. You'll need to argue against the facts, the evidence & the data, not the multiple stawmen of the past. In that, your position is hopeless.

 

[Theb]

Multnomah County District Attorney Rod Underhill's office released a statement to The Oregonian on Monday afternoon, saying prosecutors will dismiss a total of 50 pending marijuana cases. All involve marijuana-related activities that will be legal when the new law becomes effective for possession and cultivation July 1, 2015.

Only a week since the election and we're already reaping benefits. 50 people can get on with their lives and resources are freed up to deal with real criminals.

http://www.oregonlive.com/marijuana...ounty_district_atto.html#incart_story_package

 

[werepossum]

I'm guessing that the executives at Phillip Morris are pissing themselves with excitement as more and more states move towards legalization. An operation to grow plants, harvest the leaves, dry them, shred them, bind them in wrappers, box them up and distribute them across every state and territory thousands of times more efficiently than even the most advanced of the medical growing operations? They stand to make billions. There's a lot of money in it for corporations. Hell, big tobacco would hardly need to make any changes to their existing facilities. So when we talk about the money, let's not act like it's all on the "keep it illegal" side of the issue.

Good point.

Get caught with weed in Thailand, and you can be looking at life in jail or death!

We need to do the same.

No?

And yet Thailand is the world's leading destination for vacations based around having sex with minors . . .

I never understood the rage against weed.

I don't smoke it myself,.. never even tried it, other than 2nd hand smoke at concerts,.. but, if you do, more power to you.

I've seen more damage from drunk people than people high on weed.

This, exactly. I've known exactly one person who got smoked up and had a wreck; I've known dozens of people who got drunk and had wrecks.