Marijuana more than 100x less lethal than alcohol

[BlitzPuppet]

I detest pot smoking, don't really care if it is legal or illegal :thumbsdown:.

 

[rudeguy]

I detest pot smoking, don't really care if it is legal or illegal :thumbsdown:.

I care about the billions of dollars we spend on enforcing these stupid laws. I care about the millions of lives hurt because of these stupid laws. I care about how much more crime our police could fight if they weren't tied up enforcing these stupid laws.

 

[Vdubchaos]

I care about the billions of dollars we spend on enforcing these stupid laws. I care about the millions of lives hurt because of these stupid laws. I care about how much more crime our police could fight if they weren't tied up enforcing these stupid laws.

It's a BIG business that includes MILLIONS of jobs.

If legalized, many will be on the street/no work etc.

Just saying.....

 

[rudeguy]

It's a BIG business that includes MILLIONS of jobs.

If legalized, many will be on the street/no work etc.

Just saying.....

First, you are only speculating. Second, that is the worst argument ever. You don't keep spending billions of dollars and ruining lives only to give people jobs.

 

[BlitzPuppet]

Doesn't this belong in politics and news, or even the discussion board? These threads tend to go as well as threads about the president.

 

[Printer Bandit]

ruining peoples lives is profitable and sometimes fun.

 

[KeithTalent]

This

I don't smoke it. I don't want to smoke it. But end the madness.

Yep. Same here.

KT

 

[Vdubchaos]

First, you are only speculating. Second, that is the worst argument ever. You don't keep spending billions of dollars and ruining lives only to give people jobs.

First, I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying.

Second, I'm just telling you that the monster we grew with our BS laws has consequences to innocent hard working people as well.

Private Jails will get less business, Court rooms will need less staff/judges, cops will not need as many in the force....and on and on we go.

Regardless what we do now, there will be some consequences.

Illegal MaryJ government run BUSINESS. Business that generates a lot of jobs and tax revenue.

Take that away, and something will HAVE to give.

 

[Smoblikat]

While I'm pro pot, and enjoy it myself; lethality really isn't the concern. I know it won't kill me; I know moderate use is fine.

What is concerning though are the potential mental health consequences of unhinged, irresponsible long term use. That's something that should be looked at more closely.

I think though, much of the paranoia and fear that a user experiences is due to legality and the consequences. When I toked in Colorado, it was a different experience because I didn't fear the law. I realized littering in the park was a significantly greater crime than smoking weed. At that point, I felt a burden lifted because I didn't have that 'what if I get caught' anxiety in the back of my mind.

I hate smoking at my friends houses for this reason. Im always paranoid that the property manager will smell somthing, then kick me out. Shortly after he will realize im high and call the cops on me, even if I do drive away im afraid he will just take my plates down and the cops will be at my house, then I get possession and DWI. 100% of my paranoia is due to legality.

 

[rudeguy]

First, I'm not disagreeing with what you are saying.

Second, I'm just telling you that the monster we grew with our BS laws has consequences to innocent hard working people as well.

Private Jails will get less business, Court rooms will need less staff/judges, cops will not need as many in the force....and on and on we go.

Regardless what we do now, there will be some consequences.

Illegal MaryJ government run BUSINESS. Business that generates a lot of jobs and tax revenue.

Take that away, and something will HAVE to give.

I'm a bad person to talk about that stuff to. I'd be all in favor of shutting down every single government office and firing everyone.

 

[Regs]

That's funny, I can pull up several articles that say the contrary like this one:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...colorado-dui-recreational-marijuana/11391053/

People should not be driving. How can you put any statistical significance from studies from one state, when the legislation is in its infancy unlike the prohibition on alcohol that ended over a half century ago?

In reality, like alcohol, there are going to be dumb people who make dumb decisions. They're going to OD's, over use, and abuse . They will cause accidents, they will lose people's jobs, and they'll likely end up killing someone innocent in the process. My point is, this decision is not as black and white as it appears.

To a normal, rational human being some of us, legalizing weed for general use might sound plausible or feasible. Though I cannot turn my nose up from the harsh reality that we cannot trust other people to be responsible with it. People who do not take the full weight of the consequences of legalizing a product just asking for abuse, are people who do not take such decisions seriously.

I can't give a definite answer if I think it should be legalized or not. Though I do remember it becoming illegal for a reason. Nixon? Why blame him? He might of championed a social movement, but that decision was mostly the public response to it. Don't keep blaming politicians for a "government of the people" who only go out and vote when it seems fit to them.

 

[qliveur]

In reality, like alcohol, there are going to be dumb people who make dumb decisions. They're going to OD's, over use, and abuse . They will cause accidents, they will lose people's jobs, and they'll likely end up killing someone innocent in the process. My point is, this decision is not as black and white as it appears.

OD? On marijuana?

ROFL

 

[Imp]

I wouldn't do it even if it was legalized... until it becomes legal to market the stuff and make it cool like cigarettes and alcohol. The pothead thing doesn't appeal to me. I want cigarettes, but the cancer lobby doesn't want me to.

 

[SlowSpyder]

Freedoms carry risks. This is nothing new. Guns, poor eating / exercising habits, alcohol, tobacco, acetaminophen, DMX over the counter cough syrup, you can own a knife or scissors, you can say what you want to say, I own two swords, etc. etc. etc. Anything you do can have a consequence. If you have any real experience with the plant, you'll know that it doesn't make you 'drunk'. Even though I think it is a minor issue, I understand outlawing driving on it and am fine with that (though a proper test for actual THC, not metabolites, needs to be made for driving tests, if that is going to be enforced).

I think people will still drink, but many will choose to smoke instead and probably somewhat less drinking in general. I see the roads getting safer. I see domestic violence and stupid things people do when drunk lessening. Marijuana just doesn't make people act like that.

I understand things could work out poorer than the scenario above... but at what point to we kill a freedom for the security of society? In light of what we let stay free, there is no good argument for keeping a much more benign substance like marijuana a schedule one drug. I'd like to think the police will have more time to focus on real problems, and actually protect and serve.

 

[manimal]

OD? On marijuana?

ROFL

I guess you could drown in cheetos


Did you guys see the scene in Rush where Thor was toking before climbing into a f2 car?

 

[rudeguy]

OD? On marijuana?

ROFL

/me shakes head and walks away

 

[Markbnj]

/me shakes head and walks away

What definition of "overdose" are you working with? There's no case of a human consuming a toxic amount of marijuana in the literature, although with increasingly potent concentrates I wonder if that will remain true.

Note that the opposite cannot be said of alcohol. It's is depressingly common for humans to consume toxic amounts of it, and death can easily result.

 

[qliveur]

I'm shocked to find that there are people out there who are so ignorant as to believe that ODing on pot is actually possible. D:

 

[Markbnj]

I'm shocked to find that there are people out there who are so ignorant as to believe that ODing on pot is actually possible. D:

Agreed that it is not possible to OD on "pot." Due to its nature we can't get enough of the potentially toxic ingredients into our systems by ingesting or inhaling the material or byproducts. I don't know that anyone has ever really tried eating a pound of it or something, but we know it hasn't happened so far.

It might be possible to reach toxicity using concentrates, but I don't know what the levels would have to be, or how much you would have to ingest.

 

[rudeguy]

What definition of "overdose" are you working with? There's no case of a human consuming a toxic amount of marijuana in the literature, although with increasingly potent concentrates I wonder if that will remain true.

Note that the opposite cannot be said of alcohol. It's is depressingly common for humans to consume toxic amounts of it, and death can easily result.

I was shaking my head at regs

 

[qliveur]

Maybe, if you swallowed a huge amount of hash or wax, you could reach toxic levels. Maybe.

But just by inhaling, a person would likely pass out long before reaching any level nearing toxicity.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Harry J. Anslinger would have to object.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_J._Anslinger

"An entire family was murdered by a youthful addict in Florida. When officers arrived at the home, they found the youth staggering about in a human slaughterhouse. With an axe he had killed his father, mother, two brothers, and a sister. He seemed to be in a daze… He had no recollection of having committed the multiple crimes. The officers knew him ordinarily as a sane, rather quiet young man; now he was pitifully crazed. They sought the reason. The boy said that he had been in the habit of smoking something which youthful friends called 'muggles,' a childish name for marijuana."[14]

"Colored students at the Univ. of Minn. partying with (white) female students, smoking [marijuana] and getting their sympathy with stories of racial persecution. Result: pregnancy"[16][17]

"Two Negros took a girl fourteen years old and kept her for two days under the influence of hemp. Upon recovery she was found to be suffering from syphilis."[17][18]

I think people like Harry realized that weed would cause the 'squares' to chill out. And, if they chill out, they would let the Negroes in.

So, all this crap about weed being used to lure white women into sex / rape dens was cooked up. And, then they turned weed into a gate way drug. And now, weed is just taking off upon legalization, making a state like OH successful in selling it.

Sorry, weed is not the bad guy here - the bad guys trying to vilify weed are the bad guys.

 

[Vdubchaos]

I'm a bad person to talk about that stuff to. I'd be all in favor of shutting down every single government office and firing everyone.

You are actually a GREAT person to talk to, because you are RIGHT and I agree.

Perhaps firing EVERYONE is a bit extreme, but SMALL government is good.

Right now, our government is no different than our corps. Way too big for their own/or anyone elses good.

These organizations simply are too bloated and big to fix themselves. I see this on corporate level just about every single day.....

Almost as if they accept things are FUBAR and "let's just keep it going"

 

[Naer]

I don't fuk with weed anymore. tickled my psychotic side after some time

 

[Remobz]

How so exactly?

Roads appear to be safer.



No link to cancer.



Not linked to lung damage...



Perhaps even a protective effect on the lungs...




At this point you have to be ignorant or have an agenda to believe this plant should be illegal.

I drink alcohol and that is probably killing me faster as compared to smoking weed so I won't argue about that point.

I could care less if they legalize it or not. I won't lose any sleep if they do not. I will never encourage it for anyone and try to tell loved ones to stop smoking it. Also, I don't want your stoner butt smoking it near me either.

My agenda is that I could care less about legalization of weed. Yes, I am bad for drinking alcohol but smelling legal ciggs or weed being smoked near me annoys the hell out of me.