Marco Rubio Baptised as a Mormon in his youth

[UberNeuman]

It's a horrible thing to see in this day and age, but we still have people that are uninformed, ignorant bigots about other peoples religions. The Rubio story was a hit piece in an attempt to smear him with the hatred and the unreasoning bile that some people have about non main stream faiths. It's a sad thing.

What voting bloc would have the most problem with the Mormon faith?

 

[monovillage]

What voting bloc would have the most problem with the Mormon faith?

Probably the ones responsible for the story, MSNBC, which is tilted in what political direction?

 

[davmat787]

What voting bloc would have the most problem with the Mormon faith?

Probably the voting block on the left that finds religion to be a waste of time, simply a false pursuit, or a sign of a mental defect. The type that uses those worn out sky ferry/unicorn lines.

Now, what you wanted to hear is the evangelical right. It seems to be taken as gospel (hehe) that they have a huge problem with Mormons. Zin and I were talking about this the other day. The thing is, apparently there are no examples to back this up, everyone just assumes it. Surely someone of the evangelical right would vote for Rubio before Obama, don't you think so?

 

[UberNeuman]

Probably the voting block on the left that finds religion to be a waste of time, simply a false pursuit, or a sign of a mental defect. The type that uses those worn out sky ferry/unicorn lines.

This "magical left" aren't going to vote for Roms, Sans, or Gings as they are massive bullshit artists...

However - this little hot button touches the hearts and minds of those so entwined with their faith....

Again, Romney, if he were not a Mormon - and a robot, would have sealed this up long ago...

 

[davmat787]

This "magical left" aren't going to vote for Roms, Sans, or Gings as they are massive bullshit artists...

However - this little hot button touches the hearts and minds of those so entwined with their faith....

Again, Romney, if he were not a Mormon - and a robot, would have sealed this up long ago...

Right, just like the answer you wanted, the religious right, wouldn't vote for Obama, defaulting to Rubio in your hypothetical. So.. yea, I guess we are at an impasse.

Put it this way, why do you think all of the sudden, when Rubio is being mentioned as a potential VP again, MSNBC decides to put this story out? It certinaly wouldn't be to help him.

 

[UberNeuman]

Right, just like the answer you wanted, the religious right, wouldn't vote for Obama, defaulting to Rubio in your hypothetical. So.. yea, I guess we are at an impasse.

Put it this way, why do you think all of the sudden, when Rubio is being mentioned as a potential VP again, MSNBC decides to put this story out? It certinaly wouldn't be to help him.

If he's a true man of faith - then why have any shame.... or why does it matter? It does - only to those that care about it.

 

[trenchfoot]

Seems to me that pointing to the Dems being the voting block having the biggest problem with Romney's faith is just avoiding/deflecting from what really matters: The Repub Fundie Christians who will refuse to vote for him based on his belonging to a "cult".

The Dems who have a problem with his faith will vote Dem anyway, rendering their "problem" with his religious preference meaningless.

 

[UberNeuman]

Seems to me that pointing to the Dems being the voting block having the biggest problem with Romney's faith is just avoiding/deflecting from what really matters: The Repub Fundie Christians who will refuse to vote for him based on his belonging to a "cult".

The Dems who have a problem with his faith will vote Dem anyway, rendering their "problem" with his religious preference meaningless.

:thumbsup: Which is why I wonder why Mitt Romney hasn't been the front runner over the morons in his party...

 

[monovillage]

Seems to me that pointing to the Dems being the voting block having the biggest problem with Romney's faith is just avoiding/deflecting from what really matters: The Repub Fundie Christians who will refuse to vote for him based on his belonging to a "cult".

The Dems who have a problem with his faith will vote Dem anyway, rendering their "problem" with his religious preference meaningless.

Unless you're a fundie Christian how would you know? The Christians I know don't have a problem with Mormons, but i'm sure you have something to back up your opinion? I'm asking you since Neuman seems to be a bit too involved in his tap dance right now to answer squarely.

 

[UberNeuman]

Unless you're a fundie Christian how would you know? The Christians I know don't have a problem with Mormons, but i'm sure you have something to back up your opinion? I'm asking you since Neuman seems to be a bit too involved in his tap dance right now to answer squarely.

I've been quite clear, sir.... this dance has no tap... you just can't deal with reality...

 

[monovillage]

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I've been quite clear, sir.... this dance has no tap... you just can't deal with reality...

Nah, it's a hit piece. A bit of anti-religious fluff for the simple minded.

 

[chucky2]

What did you expect mono, it's MSNBC and 2012 election. This stuff will be a given until 2012 is over...then it'll just reduce in frequency. Rinse, repeat...

 

[monovillage]

What did you expect mono, it's MSNBC and 2012 election. This stuff will be a given until 2012 is over...then it'll just reduce in frequency. Rinse, repeat...

Good point. I'll just have to throttle down, I wouldn't want to burn out too early.

 

[UberNeuman]

Nah, it's a hit piece. A bit of anti-religious fluff for the simple minded.

Tell me about Lot and his daughters.... that one is hot...........

 

[monovillage]

Tell me about Lot and his daughters.... that one is hot...........

Sorry, but as I posted in the religion poll a month or so back you'll have to ask other people about that stuff. I haven't been in a church in over 40 years except for weddings and funerals.

 

[trenchfoot]

Unless you're a fundie Christian how would you know? The Christians I know don't have a problem with Mormons, but i'm sure you have something to back up your opinion? I'm asking you since Neuman seems to be a bit too involved in his tap dance right now to answer squarely.

I just so happen to be a church going kind of guy. I'm also the kind of guy who listens a whole lot more than I talk. Over all of those years of being around Christians of all stripes and listening to them whether I'm being addressed directly or I coincidently overhear, generally speaking, the quietly spoken and unmentioned jibber jabber that outsiders never hear is the criticism the Mormons get whenever they become a topic of discussion amongst a group of trusted congregation members and the like. I won't get into specifics, but the comments are usually negative in nature. Many of the fundies I talk with or overhear are usually the most outspoken and critical of the Mormons and they aren't modest about the topic either.

This is the knowledge I based my opinion on.

I have my own personal opinion about the Mormon Church, but for me, it's personal and not subject to discussion with others. However, I can say that I have Mormon friends who I admire and respect and do not hold their religion against them in any way, shape or form and they feel the same way about me.

 

[child of wonder]

Sorry, but as I posted in the religion poll a month or so back you'll have to ask other people about that stuff. I haven't been in a church in over 40 years except for weddings and funerals.

Then why do you specifically post in religious threads that have to do with Mormonism?

 

[soundforbjt]

You, apparently. "is"? Rubio's brother-in-law was indicted for drug trafficking 25 years ago.

So, if a person (for example) commits murder 25 years ago, it's not ok to call them a murderer 25 years later?

 

[Lanyap]

If he has problems in a potential campaign, it will be due to his BiL's involvement with a major drug cartel.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtzqrIZiCJA

I doubt that it will affect his campaign, it was 25 years ago and Rubio was only 16 and still in high school. His older sister was cleared of any involvement. It will be like this mormom issue. The fact that he was baptised as a mormom at 8 years old with his family and stayed mormom for a few years is not really a big deal but the way the piece was written with his dem cousins saying how enthusiatic and faithful he was trys to portray it as a negative. That spin, which there is no way to verify as fact, could make some on the right who do not like mormoms vote differently.

 

[waggy]

So, if a person (for example) commits murder 25 years ago, it's not ok to call them a murderer 25 years later?

that is fucking stupid.

he didn't do the crime his BIL did 25 fucking years ago. he also was baptized when he was 8.

 

[monovillage]

Then why do you specifically post in religious threads that have to do with Mormonism?

I also post in threads about abortion.

 

[Lanyap]

So, if a person (for example) commits murder 25 years ago, it's not ok to call them a murderer 25 years later?

If the issue is current then "is" is appropriate. If the issue is in the past then "was" is appropriate. In the case of a murderer you could probably use either. Is his bil currently a drug gang member? Or, was he a drug trafficker 25 years ago. If I got a ticket for speeding 25 years ago does that make me a speeder today?

 

[monovillage]

I just so happen to be a church going kind of guy. I'm also the kind of guy who listens a whole lot more than I talk. Over all of those years of being around Christians of all stripes and listening to them whether I'm being addressed directly or I coincidently overhear, generally speaking, the quietly spoken and unmentioned jibber jabber that outsiders never hear is the criticism the Mormons get whenever they become a topic of discussion amongst a group of trusted congregation members and the like. I won't get into specifics, but the comments are usually negative in nature. Many of the fundies I talk with or overhear are usually the most outspoken and critical of the Mormons and they aren't modest about the topic either.

This is the knowledge I based my opinion on.

I have my own personal opinion about the Mormon Church, but for me, it's personal and not subject to discussion with others. However, I can say that I have Mormon friends who I admire and respect and do not hold their religion against them in any way, shape or form and they feel the same way about me.

Thanks Tweaker, that was a great response.

 

[soundforbjt]

that is fucking stupid.

he didn't do the crime his BIL did 25 fucking years ago. he also was baptized when he was 8.

Where did I say Rubio did the crime?

 

[soundforbjt]

If the issue is current then "is" is appropriate. If the issue is in the past then "was" is appropriate. In the case of a murderer you could probably use either. Is his bil currently a drug gang member? Or, was he a drug trafficker 25 years ago. If I got a ticket for speeding 25 years ago does that make me a speeder today?

Doesn't that depend on what your definition of "is" is?

IIRC, his BIL was a member of a drug cartel. You don't get to "quit" a cartel, much like you don't get to "quit" some gangs.