Mandrake 9.2 ISOs thru BitTorrent (not RC versions)

[Kadarin]

Just an FYI, and a PSA.

With BitTorrent, you can grab the ISOs for 9.2 from http://www.suprnova.org/ ..

(Mods, if you don't like that link, please feel free to wipe this post. I believe it's legal to redistribute Mandrake if you already have it.)

Note: With BitTorrent, the more people who get on to download, the faster it goes for everyone. I'm currently getting speeds of 120K/sec, and it's been as high as 180K/sec..

 

[drag]

The legality of distributing Mandrake's 9.2 OS depends on a couple things.

Many large commercial distro's like Mandrake, SuSE, and Redhat provide certian number of closed source tools and applications. It's usually small stuff like configuration tools or maybe a (for example) the plugin that allows Ximain's E-mail client to become MS Exchange-compliant. Another example could be Sun's Java JDK or something like that.

Redistributing those tools can be illigal. I know Redhat has a couple things like that, and they eliminate those "extras" from the free ($) versions that you can download off of the internet.

Now I don't know if they care, or what, or if mandrake even has closed source tools distributed to it's online subscribers.

More then likely they just do the restricted releases, too:
1. get people to subscribe.
2. eliminate the overworking of servers/bandwidth caused by a rush of people trying to download a billion ISO images.

So if there is no closed source in the distro that anyone cares about then it is not illigal. (Although maybe morally dubious.) Since 1. they have to release the source code, and binaries are only a couple hops away. (although they can still charge for the costs of distrubuting the code, in a non-profit manner) 2. not using up Mandrake's bandwith.

Of course (IMO) if you find a distro you like, and plan on sticking with it, then maybe subscribing is something cool to do to repay some of the work that goes into making Mandrake.

 

[Kadarin]

I seem to recall that they reserve closed-source packages and add-ons for the Power Pack edition, which they have available for purchase (or will have). That's why I believe redistributing now is legal.

I believe your theory is correct, that they release early to Club members as incentive. Not so much the bandwidth, as BitTorrent (which they used for the release, incidentally) distributes that. I agree with you on the moral issue, and have contributed to Mandrake in the past by buying the 8.0 Power Pack when it first came out. If I were currently employed and had the cash, I'd be a Club member. So to everyone I'd say that if you enjoy using Mandrake and have the means to do so, please help to support their efforts. 🙂

 

[l3ored]

i just got the "download" version and finished installing about 5 minutes ago. im now a linux newbie....

 

[Kadarin]

In 24 minutes and 50 seconds, I'll have finished downloading the ISOs, and I'll wipe the Gentoo setup and install Mandrake. Gentoo is making me pull my hair out, I swear..

😛

 

[drag]

Gentoo does do that, doesn't it?

But then in a couple months you'll see the new version of Firebird Mozilla out, or a special new window manager and they got a new this and a improved that, and then your going to have to wait for the next major upgrade, and wish you still had Gentoo.

I guess we Linux users never can win, can we? Ah well there is always Debian. 😛

 

[Hanzou]

When I boot from the cd, and after I press enter to go into the installation. It sits there frozen at a black screen with my keyboard lights flashing. I have gone through the help menu and selected different options such as Expert, but the same thing happens. Anyone know what is up?

 

[drag]

try turning off acpi support. Append acpi=off to the kernel parameters in lilo or something.

Their should be a place you can choose which kernel to boot off of or something. Does it have a "safe boot" mode or something, if it does use that instead.

edit: it's about the first thing i do when I have lockups and stuff like that. Acpi is the next-generation power control and some hardware just doesn't handle it correctly. This can cause lockups, especially during hardware detection phases.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: drag
Gentoo does do that, doesn't it?

But then in a couple months you'll see the new version of Firebird Mozilla out, or a special new window manager and they got a new this and a improved that, and then your going to have to wait for the next major upgrade, and wish you still had Gentoo.

I guess we Linux users never can win, can we? Ah well there is always Debian. 😛

lol! I've never tried Debian... maybe I should!

I LOVE the idea of Gentoo, really, and I really, really want it to work. I just did a Stage 2 install, used genkernel to compile the kernel, and correctly set up Grub to dual boot with my Win2K on the same drive. (hda1, 2, 3 are boot, swap, and root, respectively, and hda4 is the Win2K, formatted FAT32). After doing an "emerge sync" followed by an "emerge xfree", followed by running /usr/X11R6/bin/xf86config to generate a config file, when I start X, X starts correctly, but opens 3 xterm windows and an xclock process in twm. I'm dumbfounded.

Admittedly, I'm a n00b at this, but I *did* manage to figure out how to change the CONSOLEFONT from default8x16 to default8x9..

 

[MangoTBG]

I think the part that you run the moral gambit is the fact that you've actually linked to a site that contains NUMEROUS...INFINITE pirated copyrighted materials. Not that I care. Screw copyrights. But I can see how this could, and probably will be locked or modified by a Mod. 😉

 

[Spyro]

But then in a couple months you'll see the new version of Firebird Mozilla out, or a special new window manager and they got a new this and a improved that, and then your going to have to wait for the next major upgrade, and wish you still had Gentoo.

Whenever something like that happens, you can always compile from source. Or try mandrake cooker (with apt4rpm).

I guess we Linux users never can win, can we? Ah well there is always Debian. 😛

Ehhh???? You mean slackware, right? 😉

 

[JetBlack69]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: drag
Gentoo does do that, doesn't it?

But then in a couple months you'll see the new version of Firebird Mozilla out, or a special new window manager and they got a new this and a improved that, and then your going to have to wait for the next major upgrade, and wish you still had Gentoo.

I guess we Linux users never can win, can we? Ah well there is always Debian. 😛

lol! I've never tried Debian... maybe I should!

I LOVE the idea of Gentoo, really, and I really, really want it to work. I just did a Stage 2 install, used genkernel to compile the kernel, and correctly set up Grub to dual boot with my Win2K on the same drive. (hda1, 2, 3 are boot, swap, and root, respectively, and hda4 is the Win2K, formatted FAT32). After doing an "emerge sync" followed by an "emerge xfree", followed by running /usr/X11R6/bin/xf86config to generate a config file, when I start X, X starts correctly, but opens 3 xterm windows and an xclock process in twm. I'm dumbfounded.

Admittedly, I'm a n00b at this, but I *did* manage to figure out how to change the CONSOLEFONT from default8x16 to default8x9..

That's exactly what happened to me. Did you try to emerge kde or emerge gnome? You need to emerge some type of "desktop" to put on x.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: JetBlack69

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: drag
Gentoo does do that, doesn't it?

But then in a couple months you'll see the new version of Firebird Mozilla out, or a special new window manager and they got a new this and a improved that, and then your going to have to wait for the next major upgrade, and wish you still had Gentoo.

I guess we Linux users never can win, can we? Ah well there is always Debian. 😛

lol! I've never tried Debian... maybe I should!

I LOVE the idea of Gentoo, really, and I really, really want it to work. I just did a Stage 2 install, used genkernel to compile the kernel, and correctly set up Grub to dual boot with my Win2K on the same drive. (hda1, 2, 3 are boot, swap, and root, respectively, and hda4 is the Win2K, formatted FAT32). After doing an "emerge sync" followed by an "emerge xfree", followed by running /usr/X11R6/bin/xf86config to generate a config file, when I start X, X starts correctly, but opens 3 xterm windows and an xclock process in twm. I'm dumbfounded.

Admittedly, I'm a n00b at this, but I *did* manage to figure out how to change the CONSOLEFONT from default8x16 to default8x9..

That's exactly what happened to me. Did you try to emerge kde or emerge gnome? You need to emerge some type of "desktop" to put on x.

Actually, I didn't... my understanding is (from the Gentoo desktop configuration guide) that after emerging xfree and running xf86config, X will start with twm. Which it did on my first attempt. The first time I installed Gentoo, I did a Stage 3 (GRP) install, and X was configured properly, and Gnome worked properly after emerging as well. I subsequently fubared the install by incorrectly doing an env-update config file merge, but that's another story. The second time I installed Gentoo, I did a Stage 2 install, which required me to emerge xfree live from the web, and that's when I had the problem. I'm going to try again, this time with a Stage 3 w/o GRP, and emerge X live again and see if the same problem occurs. I've been looking through the Gentoo forum, but I haven't seen this exact problem posted yet. If you see it, please let me know!

Also, did you do a Stage 2 or Stage 3? GRP?

 

[JetBlack69]

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: JetBlack69

Originally posted by: Astaroth33

Originally posted by: drag
Gentoo does do that, doesn't it?

But then in a couple months you'll see the new version of Firebird Mozilla out, or a special new window manager and they got a new this and a improved that, and then your going to have to wait for the next major upgrade, and wish you still had Gentoo.

I guess we Linux users never can win, can we? Ah well there is always Debian. 😛

lol! I've never tried Debian... maybe I should!

I LOVE the idea of Gentoo, really, and I really, really want it to work. I just did a Stage 2 install, used genkernel to compile the kernel, and correctly set up Grub to dual boot with my Win2K on the same drive. (hda1, 2, 3 are boot, swap, and root, respectively, and hda4 is the Win2K, formatted FAT32). After doing an "emerge sync" followed by an "emerge xfree", followed by running /usr/X11R6/bin/xf86config to generate a config file, when I start X, X starts correctly, but opens 3 xterm windows and an xclock process in twm. I'm dumbfounded.

Admittedly, I'm a n00b at this, but I *did* manage to figure out how to change the CONSOLEFONT from default8x16 to default8x9..

That's exactly what happened to me. Did you try to emerge kde or emerge gnome? You need to emerge some type of "desktop" to put on x.

Actually, I didn't... my understanding is (from the Gentoo desktop configuration guide) that after emerging xfree and running xf86config, X will start with twm. Which it did on my first attempt. The first time I installed Gentoo, I did a Stage 3 (GRP) install, and X was configured properly, and Gnome worked properly after emerging as well. I subsequently fubared the install by incorrectly doing an env-update config file merge, but that's another story. The second time I installed Gentoo, I did a Stage 2 install, which required me to emerge xfree live from the web, and that's when I had the problem. I'm going to try again, this time with a Stage 3 w/o GRP, and emerge X live again and see if the same problem occurs. I've been looking through the Gentoo forum, but I haven't seen this exact problem posted yet. If you see it, please let me know!

Also, did you do a Stage 2 or Stage 3? GRP?

I started with the CD with all stages on it. GRP I think. Anyhoo, what is happening is when you startx, it starts just X. If you have KDE emerged, try this

"Now take a look inside /etc/X11/Sessions/ and see what KDE sessions exist (for instance kde-3.1.2). Then open up /etc/rc.conf and edit it so that it reads:

Code:
Code listing 3.3: Setting the XSESSION variable
XSESSION="kde-3.1.2"
"
taken from here
http://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic.php?t=96003&highlight=startx+kde

 

[Hanzou]

Anybody know of a different place to grt the ISO image for 9.2?

 

[Spyro]

Originally posted by: Hanzou
Anybody know of a different place to grt the ISO image for 9.2?

My suggestion is to just wait until they release it themselves (either at the end of this month or early next month). It isn't really a major upgrade if you are running 9.1 and while it is pretty annoying of mandrake to delay the iso, they are a company so their ultimate goal is to get a positive bottom line. If you really need 9.2 right now then just become a club member or order a box. You could also do a network install (there should be some bootdisks floating around on the net for this.)

 

[SUOrangeman]

I'm pulling the ISOs from ftp.ntua.gr right now (100Kbps+, non-BitTorrent). So, wait a few hours then pull them. 🙂

-SUO