Mandatory waiting period for abortions rejected by Iowa Supreme Court

[fskimospy]

Many of those people view birth control as murdering babies since it prevents conception, and the only reason to be having sex is for conception. They see it as the same as morning after pill or actual abortion procedures, because all of it is about stopping conception). Talking to them, it quickly becomes very clear it is not actually about preserving the sanctity of life at all, but rather trying to force their beliefs about sexuality on others. They also justify it by claiming that the rest of society is forcing its sexual beliefs onto people (via porn or even just shows of affection, LGBTQ support, etc), so they think they're actually unshackling people from it. Its just more blatant hypocrisy and ignorance, and those people belief they are the absolute authority on it, or rather acting on the absolute authority. Doctors, government, any Earthly entity doesn't matter, this is coming from a higher power. Nevermind their whole spiel about God/Jesus being the only one that can judge.

Yup, as I've said many times no one actually believes that birth control or the prevention of conception is actually the murder of babies. They may lie to you (and to themselves!) and claim that they believe this but nobody actually does. It is entirely because they wish to force their own beliefs on sexuality on others. You are 100% right.

 

[jackstar7]

Thanks, ACLU.

 

[dainthomas]

Yet it does hurt to wait a few days.

As an example I read a story about a woman who’s IUD failed and she became pregnant. She did not want the pregnancy. The IUD was still in place and interfering with pregnancy causing her pain and bleeding.

The state required a waiting period so the
clinic sent her home to wait it out. While waiting her bleeding became serious and her pain became worse.

So she went to the hospital. The hospital could perform an abortion but only if her life was in danger. So they kept her for awhile to measure how much blood she was losing to see if her life was in immediate danger.

So Incorruptible why should this woman be kept in pain waiting on medical care, waiting for her life to be in danger to end a pregnancy that couldn’t continue in the first place?

How does her pain and risk to her life constitute “not hurting”?

Women suffering and dying while waiting for it to become "life threatening" is why the backlash started in Ireland.

It's all about control with people like Incorruptible.

 

[Incorruptible]

no baby is being killed by an abortion.

Yes, They are being killed by abortions.

 

[Paratus]

Yes, They are being killed by abortions.

Why don’t you answer my questions?

 

[JSt0rm]

Yes, They are being killed by abortions.

let your god sort it out.

 

[Paratus]

let your god sort it out.

Nature God aborts kills 30-75% of all fertilized zygotes unborn babies anyway and nobody gives shit about that.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Nature God aborts kills 30-75% of all fertilized zygotes unborn babies anyway and nobody gives shit about that.

You've obviously never been graced with a miscarriage in your family. Ask your wife if nobody gives a shit when it happens.

 

[brycejones]

You've obviously never been graced with a miscarriage in your family. Ask your wife if nobody gives a shit when it happens.

Whoosh

 

[JSt0rm]

You've obviously never been graced with a miscarriage in your family. Ask your wife if nobody gives a shit when it happens.

Did you know there are many miscarriages you never know about?

That was the whoosh

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Did you know there are many miscarriages you never know about?

That was the whoosh

Except that is not what he said.

 

[Paratus]

You've obviously never been graced with a miscarriage in your family. Ask your wife if nobody gives a shit when it happens.

We’ve had three kids and I’m well aware of the emotional impact of a miscarriage.

But tell me how did you feel about each of the fertilized eggs that failed to implant each month you tried to have kids and didn’t get pregnant. Because those are dead kids according prolifers.

Did you mourn them or did you just think you guys didn’t get pregnant that month.

 

[Paratus]

Except that is not what he said.

It’s exactly what I meant.

Prolifers on this board have told me that if you take pill like the morning after pill that aborts even a single fertilized egg that’s murder.

However if you don’t take that pill and instead naturally abort every month of every year until menopause while trying to have kids none of those are dead kids and they are not responsible even if they were because it’s fine with God.

So again. Prolifers say life starts at conception but they couldn’t give a shit if it dies from naturally aborting as long as no pills were involved.

 

[HomerJS]

You've obviously never been graced with a miscarriage in your family. Ask your wife if nobody gives a shit when it happens.

Why should the decision of when the combination of a sperm/egg are a human be yours? Who made you dictator in chief? We already have one of those.

Let's say for the sake of post we did it your way. Genesis 2:7 says...

Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.

That sure sound like life begins at first breath and we all know when that happens.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Nobody should have the right to tell another person what they can do with their bodies and religious folks certainly love to point fingers at everyone around them. Funny how Jesus himself admonished people to get the beam out of their own eyes before trying to pluck splinters out of those around them.

 

[HomerJS]

It’s exactly what I meant.

Prolifers on this board have told me that if you take pill like the morning after pill that aborts even a single fertilized egg that’s murder.

However if you don’t take that pill and instead naturally abort every month of every year until menopause while trying to have kids none of those are dead kids and they are not responsible even if they were because it’s fine with God.

So again. Prolifers say life starts at conception but they couldn’t give a shit if it dies from naturally aborting as long as no pills were involved.

What would happen if a woman tried to claim a dependent for each fertilized egg lost, say 12/year? Since a dependent can be claimed if alive for any part of the year. IF IRS takes woman to court I can't see a judge ruling anything other then fertilized eggs are not people.

 

[zinfamous]

Yes, They are being killed by abortions.

why do you just keep lying and assume that the non-idiots believe you?

 

[Incorruptible]

why do you just keep lying and assume that the non-idiots believe you?

The only one lying is you.

 

[Paratus]

The only one lying is you.

Why don’t you answer my question? How did that waiting period not hurt the woman in my post.

 

[HomerJS]

The only one lying is you.

Why should you be a the arbiter of when the combination of sperm/egg becomes a human being?

 

[pcgeek11]

Someone getting an abortion has already thought about it. Probably a lot. Anguished over it for days or maybe even weeks. The waiting period for a gun purchase is to prevent a heat of the moment decision to go get a gun and shoot someone. Those are not the same. They are not analogous.

I predict insults in your next post.

Both causes a death.

I have no problem with them not having a waiting period.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Both causes a death.

Not really. An unviable fetus is more like a parasite than anything else. A parasite is an organism living in or on and obtaining nourishment from another organism.

I’d entertain your argument if we were strictly talking about procedures after viability. We aren’t.

 

[Sunburn74]

Yes, They are being killed by abortions.

Not a baby. Not a person. Most of the time, what a woman is aborting is no more a person than your testicles or your appendix or your pancreas is a person.

Both causes a death.

I have no problem with them not having a waiting period.

I suppose juries should have to wait a minimum of 7 days to sentence someone to death. And before they do so they should have to watch videos of people being executed.
Judges and military courts as well because sometimes they make these decisions too and we need to make sure these decisions aren't rushed because life is so precious you know.

In fact, before the president orders a drone strike and kills a guy he should also need a minimum of 7 days to chew on it, as well as watch at least 3 videos of people being blown up, and someone must tell him against their will that there are alternatives which include getting other countries to adopting the guy he's trying to kill. And of course the drone operator must also have both jet flying privileges and sniper privileges in case his drone misses and he needs to personally fly a jet over there to kill the guy.

That seems like a great set of very rational policies indeed.

Or you could just let abortions, executions, etc occur in whatever time period it takes for them to occur (which generally is weeks anyway) without thinly veiled, callous and unfounded attempts to really try and undermine the whole thing. I mean these such a law basically implies that women are just falling out of bed and getting abortions left and right.

 

[pcgeek11]

Not a baby. Not a person. Most of the time, what a woman is aborting is no more a person than your testicles or your appendix or your pancreas is a person. Its like me saying everytime I throw out seeds I'm burning trees alive. That's a bit much...


I suppose juries should have to wait a minimum of 7 days to sentence someone to death. And before they do so they should have to watch videos of people being executed.
Judges and military courts as well because sometimes they make these decisions too and we need to make sure these decisions aren't rushed because life is so precious you know.

In fact, before the president orders a drone strike and kills a guy he should also need a minimum of 7 days to chew on it, as well as watch at least 3 videos of people being blown up, and someone must tell him against their will that there are alternatives which include getting other countries to adopting the guy he's trying to kill. And of course the drone operator must also have both jet flying privileges and sniper privileges in case his drone misses and he needs to personally fly a jet over there to kill the guy.

That seems like a great set of very rational policies indeed.

Or you could just let abortions, executions, etc occur in whatever time period it takes for them to occur (which generally is weeks anyway) without thinly veiled, callous and unfounded attempts to really try and undermine the whole thing. I mean these such a law basically implies that women are just falling out of bed and getting abortions left and right.

Read what I wrote...

 

[Sunburn74]

Read what I wrote...

Ah you're right. My mistake.