Manchester vs. Toledo

[avi85]

What's the difference between these cores?
Which one is newer?
Which one overclocks better?

I think that's it, if I forgot something then please post it.

 

[996GT2]

Manchester is basically two Venice cores, so it's got 2*512K L2 cache

Toledo is basically two San Diego cores, so it's got 1*1MB L2 cache

I believe Toledo X2 processors were released first, but both cores are about the same in terms of age. As far as overclocking goes, they should be similar, although the 2006 Manchester X2s have been OCing very well

 

[LOUISSSSS]

toledo is obviously better, 1mb more cache

 

[IamDavid]

which overclocks better?

 

[Ayah]

Originally posted by: IamDavid
which overclocks better?

It's dependant on each individual chip.. It's a sink or swim situation.
They're both great overclockers.

 

[IamDavid]

Originally posted by: Ayah

Originally posted by: IamDavid
which overclocks better?

It's dependant on each individual chip.. It's a sink or swim situation.
They're both great overclockers.

SO the "extra" cache doesn't increase temps at all? Guess I'm gonna order one..

 

[Ayah]

Originally posted by: IamDavid

Originally posted by: Ayah

Originally posted by: IamDavid
which overclocks better?

It's dependant on each individual chip.. It's a sink or swim situation.
They're both great overclockers.

SO the "extra" cache doesn't increase temps at all? Guess I'm gonna order one..

Of course the cache adds to heat, but it's negligable.

 

[theprodigalrebel]

~5-10% improvement is what they say, I think (going from 512KB L2 -> 1MB L2). Most of the improvement is in encoding/compression tasks. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[IamDavid]

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
~5-10% improvement is what they say, I think (going from 512KB L2 -> 1MB L2). Most of the improvement is in encoding/compression tasks. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Hope so, I am buying this because its cheap and looks to overclock like mad.. Primary use will be encoding.. I don't see why anyone would buy a more expensive CPU. From what I've read I can overclock this faster then the 4200+ and probably the 4400+ at there best overclocks..

 

[guskline]

I just upgraded from a 3700 San Diego withe a Toledo core to a X2 4600 with the manchester core - went from 1 meg cache core to two cores of 512k each. The 4600 EASILY overclocked 10% without breaking a sweat. I'm keeping it stock because it is so fast to begin with. Check Tom's Hardware review of CPU chips. The 4600 was neck and neck with the 4800.

 

[IamDavid]

Originally posted by: guskline
I just upgraded from a 3700 San Diego withe a Toledo core to a X2 4600 with the manchester core - went from 1 meg cache core to two cores of 512k each. The 4600 EASILY overclocked 10% without breaking a sweat. I'm keeping it stock because it is so fast to begin with. Check Tom's Hardware review of CPU chips. The 4600 was neck and neck with the 4800.

But I can overclock the 3800+ almost to the level of the 4400/4600 for 1/2 the price. just a little tinkering.

 

[guskline]

paid $242 for the 4600

 

[IamDavid]

Originally posted by: guskline
paid $242 for the 4600

so $100 less I can achive almost everything you can.

I would have bought the higher chips but I couldn't find allot of success stories overclocking them. I did find a few, found allot more against them..

 

[guskline]

I bought the 4600 because I wasn't going to overclock (I did test it at 10% over stock, 2640 Mhz and it ran well)

 

[AznAnarchy99]

i have a toledo 3800+...so the extra cache is locked =(

 

[Geomagick]

I'm not entirely sure that the Toledo was worth it over the Manchester cores, however if you want the very best Athlon 64 X2 performance - overclocked or not you need the Toledo.

 

[guskline]

Originally posted by: George Powell
I'm not entirely sure that the Toledo was worth it over the Manchester cores, however if you want the very best Athlon 64 X2 performance - overclocked or not you need the Toledo.

Which one George? 4400 or 4800?

 

[Bobthelost]

Originally posted by: theprodigalrebel
~5-10% improvement is what they say, I think (going from 512KB L2 -> 1MB L2). Most of the improvement is in encoding/compression tasks. Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I think it's closer to 0-5% improvement, games do see some benifit (2-3%) not sure about encoding but i think it's one of the ones where it doens't help much.