Man wants to to tape daughters recital.

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I want to video tape movies I go to. I paid to get in and watch. Why can't my camera watch. I also want to tape recitals. I want to go up to the front row and block everybody's view as I do. I want to go up on the stage and vid little feet. I want to stand on your chair to get a better shot. I want to lean over in front of you. I want 500 other assholes doing video too, I want to use my flash. I I I I I want everything to be about me.

They hire a pro so folks can watch the show without the distraction of a million parents trying to get the shots they want of their kids. It is chaos in recitals if they don't.

Taping a movie is different from taping your own daughter's recital. The school can easily take care of unorganized taping problem by dedicating an area for parent's and friends to tape the recital.

The recital is not copied right material. It is performed by sons and daughters of people who attended, most likely unpaid. Where the hell does the school gets the right to forbid taping and charge a ridiculous amount if people want capture the special moment that involves their own family member?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I want to video tape movies I go to. I paid to get in and watch. Why can't my camera watch. I also want to tape recitals. I want to go up to the front row and block everybody's view as I do. I want to go up on the stage and vid little feet. I want to stand on your chair to get a better shot. I want to lean over in front of you. I want 500 other assholes doing video too, I want to use my flash. I I I I I want everything to be about me.

They hire a pro so folks can watch the show without the distraction of a million parents trying to get the shots they want of their kids. It is chaos in recitals if they don't.

Taping a movie is different from taping your own daughter's recital. The school can easily take care of unorganized taping problem by dedicating an area for parent's and friends to tape the recital.

The recital is not copied right material. It is performed by sons and daughters of people who attended, most likely unpaid. Where the hell does the school gets the right to forbid taping and charge a ridiculous amount if people want capture the special moment that involves their own family member?

Please, I know the movies are not the same. But I want to tape them. I paid to see my camera can see too. And recitals take place in theaters where the seats are fixed the isles narrow and seating maximized for area. There isn't any room for a special area. That is why the little space available for taping is given to one company who, because it is their business, can address the needs of everybody without fucking over the performance experience of people trying to watch rather than tape. It has nothing to do with some greedy profit motive or Nazi mentality. It is an issue of courtesy to other parents.

 

[MadRat]

Moonbeam, are you confusing disorderly conduct with a necessity for courtesy. If someone is interfering with the performance then that is disorderly conduct in most jurisdictions and therefore we don't need new rules to cover it. But requiring common courtesy is awfully elitist and completely ignorant of the white trash folk that come to these events.

 

[AreaCode707]

Shhh, Moonie's espousing capitalism!! He's not giving a thought for the poor family who scraped together the cash to put their kid through dance lessons and can't afford $25 for a momento, he's just defending the money-grubbing pigs who are making cash off some little kid's memories.

I think we need to frame this moment for posterity. It's just so unlike Moonie!

 

[thegimp03]

A headlock and dragging the guy out? Isn't he disabled? Talk about abusing power - typical douchebag cops.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Best thread necro ever?

agreed. 10/10 thread necro

bravo, William Larsen, bravo.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: MadRat
Moonbeam, are you confusing disorderly conduct with a necessity for courtesy. If someone is interfering with the performance then that is disorderly conduct in most jurisdictions and therefore we don't need new rules to cover it. But requiring common courtesy is awfully elitist and completely ignorant of the white trash folk that come to these events.

I'm not confusing anything, I'm telling you what is and the folk who go to those recitals are ordinary decent American families many of whom can afford a video tape but can't afford a video camera and who get, not only to watch the performance undisturbed by a bunch of hot shot video Daddies angling for the best shots of their children but get, also, to have a professional product to enjoy later. If common courtesy is elitist to you then I figure you are probably the white trash, or some color trash.

You idiots and your libertarian sensibilities are so immature and socially undeveloped, so faux individualistic, that you don't even notice you're a bunch of selfish and petulant little children, like the asshole who found out real quick how the world deals with your stupid self assertion. I me me mine isn't going to the theater to fuck up the experience of other adults trying to enjoy THEIR children because YOU are obsessed with your own. Video them in your own fucking back yard. Your the same bunch of freaking retards that shout 'liar' to the President in Congress, a bunch of cretinous and boorish pigs.

 

[shortylickens]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Best thread necro ever?

Possibly, its only a little over a year, but the Necromancer was the guy in the origninal news article, and thats pretty fucking cool if you think about it.

Now we just need Paris Hilton to come in and defend herself against all the slut-whore activities of the past 10 years.

 

[Joepublic2]

I find that this whole situation could of been handled better. Yes, he seemed like an ass to the cop, but is that really enough to warranty a headlock and being dragged? I don't know, everyone will make their own decision. Considering he didn't actually tape anything yet, and he committed no crime. I'd say it didn't.

The part I am more interested in is the bolded area, is that even legal? I could imagine there being no videotaping at all. However, not allowing parents to tape their childrens own recital and allowing a company to make money off their daughter is a bit much.

Well a lot of the police are ex military today. Definitely didn't warrant for a civilian to be headlock and dragged around. If a parent wants to video tape their child in a school play nobody has the authority to say otherwise, fuck whatever parasitic company that wants to make a buck off of it.

 

[frostedflakes]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Best thread necro ever?

Possibly, if he provides us with an update to the story.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: Thump553
This thread should be more correctly titled: Obnoxious crank tries to impose his own perception of rules on society, goes to jail.

Sorry but I have absolutely no sympathy for that clown. He knew the rules prohibited him taping. There's a valid reason for this-it's extremely disruptive to have scads of parents blocking the isles and views trying to videotape their little darlings. Instead the school had one permitted taper, and you could obtain a tape from them.

So this jerk's response is to make a complete spectacle of himself and cause violence. What a spoiled brat-and I don't mean the child.

Fuck that, and fuck you.

He's a taxpayer. He pays for that school. He pays the salaries of the worthless administrators who signed the contract with the thieving bastards who claim exclusive film rights and then rape people with exorbitant prices, and he pays the salaries of the fascist pigs who hauled him away.

As a taxpayer, he is part owner of everything that happens in that school and has a right to videotape any goddamn thing he wants there. Government agencies should not be allowed to sign those kind of overarching contracts. He needs to sue, and sue big.

Never thought I would agree with you on much of anything, but here we are.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Correct me if I am wrong, but I am guessing that the people jumping up and down in protest over this don't have kids and don't realize that this is a fairly common practice these days.

1. It eliminates the every parent with a camera trying to film the recital.
2. It helps to generate extra revenue for the school.

I do have kids and I think it is absurd. If my kids are generating profit for someone, they ought to be compensated. A for-profit corporation isn't going to give you free products and an employee or independent contractor shouldn't be expected to give free labor.

I would be fine with the school board banning personal video taping if the following conditions were met:
1. The taping was done by a volunteer parent or paid school employee, maybe one without a kid in the show to prevent favoritism in filming.
2. DVDs were reasonably priced to cover duplication.
3. The entire movie was available for download from the school's website or YouTube for free.

 

[SammyJr]

Originally posted by: Engineer

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I am sure he signed release paper to allow his daughter to be recorded

You're sure? You're giving your opinion without seeing what he signed. My daughter has been in dance for 3 years and we've never signed anything that gave permission to be recorded. The competitions were recorded and played on educational TV for free though so it didn't matter.

I still think it's bullshit that you cannot record your own child and have to pay for a copy of it. And yes, I have two kids and if it comes to that, the school can kiss my ass and I'll take my kids home. I signed them up for dance, not a fund raiser.

I've always thought conservatives were against big government and the nanny state...LOL at my assumptions on that one.

Notice that we have a for-profit company making money off unpaid school children. Conservatives can definitely get behind that.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: frostedflakes

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Best thread necro ever?

Possibly, if he provides us with an update to the story.

Almost better if he doesn't. How he came in to post and not even say what happened of it all, as if it still just happened yesterday with his update is...marvelous, in a way.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Did you read what I quoted?
He was told he could not tape the event. His response was ?I paid my money. I'll do as I please.?
As I said, the guy is an ass. Even his wife agrees that he overacts ?has a tendency to blow things out of proportion.?

Edit- Bah, didn't see the date of the post I was responding to.

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: PingSpike
The man in question should send a bill for back payment of wages from his daughters performance to the media services company.

I would be curious to see if any of the performers signed any sort of release.

 

[Darwin333]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: MadRat
Moonbeam, are you confusing disorderly conduct with a necessity for courtesy. If someone is interfering with the performance then that is disorderly conduct in most jurisdictions and therefore we don't need new rules to cover it. But requiring common courtesy is awfully elitist and completely ignorant of the white trash folk that come to these events.

I'm not confusing anything, I'm telling you what is and the folk who go to those recitals are ordinary decent American families many of whom can afford a video tape but can't afford a video camera and who get, not only to watch the performance undisturbed by a bunch of hot shot video Daddies angling for the best shots of their children but get, also, to have a professional product to enjoy later. If common courtesy is elitist to you then I figure you are probably the white trash, or some color trash.

You idiots and your libertarian sensibilities are so immature and socially undeveloped, so faux individualistic, that you don't even notice you're a bunch of selfish and petulant little children, like the asshole who found out real quick how the world deals with your stupid self assertion. I me me mine isn't going to the theater to fuck up the experience of other adults trying to enjoy THEIR children because YOU are obsessed with your own. Video them in your own fucking back yard. Your the same bunch of freaking retards that shout 'liar' to the President in Congress, a bunch of cretinous and boorish pigs.

You make a valid point MB but are you really supporting the cops beating the shit out of the guy for doing what he did? IMO, there where 2 assholes in the situation but only one of them is paid by the public to act rationally in situations like that.

 

[Robor]

Followup please, William.

I agree with BoberFett too. It would be bad enough if the school banned video cameras and gave away a DVD of it. It's worse to sell one at what seems to be a big profit.

 

[soulcougher73]

Originally posted by: babylon5
This country sometimes feel more like one of those countries we like to demonized to make ourseleves feel better.

This. We've gone down hill fast in the last 30 years.

 

[ahurtt]

It seems like a scam and in a way it is. . .but by the same token, I've been at events where they did not restrict the use of video cameras and so many people had set up tripods that they were literally a public nuisance and a fire hazard and in many cases impeded other peoples unobstructed view of the stage/performance area. I understand the desire to capture the memories and all in your own special way but because some people don't know how to be considerate of others with their equipment or because of just the sheer number of people who would show up with obtrusive camera equipment, sometimes it's really just not practical to allow anybody to video tape the performance except for a designated videographer.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Best thread necro ever?

I'll wait for Kanye to make that determination.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: William Larsen
To clear up a few points:
Every person has the right to photograph anything on public property. However, after taking the photo or image, you may not be able to sell it. Prior to selling the image, you first must have the consent and release of anyone identifiable in the image.

What they did was pirate personal property for personal gain. It is against the law!

Every person has the right to question the state when the state extends by implication a statute beyond its plain and literal meaning. You have a civil responsibility to question and make sure the state does not take your rights away. You always have the right to question the state. While those men and women in our armed forces are over seas, we need to protect the freedoms here at home so that when they return their freedoms so dearly fought for are not diminished.

William Larsen

Thank you sir for coming in here and posting your story and update personally.

Thank you sir for standing up to those that hate this country for profit over people.

You are a real American and a real hero.

David McOwen

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: SammyJr
Notice that we have a for-profit company making money off unpaid school children. Conservatives can definitely get behind that.

Funny thing is, I'm not behind it.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: woodie1

Originally posted by: fleshconsumed

Originally posted by: woodie1
$30 for a DVD of your own kid at a school function. That's got to cause a lot of sore feelings. I would be outraged too. Hell, you gotta take out a loan for the yearbooks nowadays.

Hahaha, wait till you get Graduation Photo pricing. I don't remember how much those cost at my High School graduation, but at my college graduation they wanted around $70 for a set of photos.

Yep, I think my granddaughters graduation photo package was just over $100. While I admit they were good quality I think we were shafted. Call me a tightwad.

ehh are you serious... the best way is to just buy one large print, like at least a 5x7 if not an 8x10 and just go duplicate on your own. that's what we did. we got a large print and worked off of that. probably under $20. If you want the whole set you get ripped.

I remember prom pics too. We got a cheap one with the 5x7 so we could go run off and make more wallet duplicates.

 

[shira]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
Until people realize that public schools own their children, they'll continue to act like beligerent adults with some romantic fashion of freedom and justice. I don't know why they haven't gotten the picture yet, it's almost like they have some innate sense of what's right and wrong.

Sarcasm aside, thump has a good point, but these schools shouldn't be monopolizing to for-profit businesses. My daughter was in a dance recittal recently and they wanted THIRTY FVCKING DOLLARS for a DVD of it. You kidding me? I split with a neighbor and burned up a copy for good measure, but if the school will dictate per Thump's reasons, they should be only breaking even, not getting in cahoots with some stupid private business and costing us more.

They actually did let us film ourselves, though, and it was pretty painless. They asked for no flash photography but there was no rabble of adults with camers in isles, standing on seats, etc.

We don't know if the school was making any profit at all. They may simply have entered into the agreement with Huntington Media Services to provide exclusive videotaping access in order to eliminate disruptions by parents. Huntington's motive would be profit, but the school's reasons for contracting with Huntington may well have been numerous past complaints from parents about having their views continually blocked by other parents standing to videotape events.