Man stabs toddler, wife in La. traffic

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Luckily moonbeam has done such an eloquent job of illustrating the failures of the death penalty that we all have changed our mind on it.

Aye, he has, you smug simpleton.

Perp's state has the death penalty. Look how well it served as a deterrent here. If that's not a "failure of the death penalty", I'll pull that knife out of that poor woman's skull and lick it clean of blood myself. :|

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Luckily moonbeam has done such an eloquent job of illustrating the failures of the death penalty that we all have changed our mind on it.

Aye, he has, you smug simpleton.

Perp's state has the death penalty. Look how well it served as a deterrent here. If that's not a "failure of the death penalty", I'll pull that knife out of that poor woman's skull and lick it clean of blood myself. :|

You cannot stop the first act of violence. THAT IS NOT THE JOB OF THE PENAL SYSTEM.

Would you allow him to roam out and kill the next person? I would not and that is the entire point ? whether or not we let him kill again.

 

[sjvlad]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Luckily moonbeam has done such an eloquent job of illustrating the failures of the death penalty that we all have changed our mind on it.

Aye, he has, you smug simpleton.

Perp's state has the death penalty. Look how well it served as a deterrent here. If that's not a "failure of the death penalty", I'll pull that knife out of that poor woman's skull and lick it clean of blood myself. :|

Umm, eww.

I agree that the death penalty does not serve as much of a deterrance. There does need to be a set of rules and consequences, though. Are you two implying that we should just let this man walk free again?

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Jesus, why post this here and then suggest how you want to stab this poor sad fool in the head yourself? Isn't one assault enough for you?

There must be consequences for violence that act in preventing further violence. As to the man and case in question ? if found guilty of these crimes hard labor outdoors in Alaska sounds more fitting than the death penalty.

What the hell for. You can't undo what is done. You do not understand why people do what they do because you would need to understand yourself and there's no way in hell you will go there. The fate of the land of fools is foolishness. There can be no understanding that the whole world is mentally ill. There can began in the land of fools no program to find a way out. Fools are self condemned to their foolishness. We fools will kill the killer if we can, torture him if we can, punish and punish till the end of time, because inwardly we are all in hell ourselves. We can't begin to reform the extreme mentally ill among us because we can't begin to reform ourselves. You understand, I hope, that we can't admit to the slightest flaw, our egos, that is, because to have a flaw of any kind leads right into those hidden, deeply buried feelings of worthlessness and self hate. All evil must be crushed and put out of mind.

There must be consequences for acts that prevent further violence. What rubbish. Our illness is nothing but the result of the violence against our being that was done to us for our own good. We are mad because we expect more of the same will have a different result. We do what is sick because we are sick and we continue with what is sick because we want to stay sick. Fools love being fools. Wisdom, for a fool, is what creates fear, self recognition that he or she is a fool. It's not going to happen. Just witness the reaction to my words. Moonbeam has landed from Mars.

Hehe, not to worry, having lost everything I ever held dear, I don't need no more walls. The cool thing about hell is that it leaves you with ash. Mix that with some sh!t and you get fertilizer.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! my brain just expoded trying to figure out what the hell you are trying to say.

Whose is your speach writer? The same one Ahmadinejad uses? I have never seen such drivel on such a large scale before.
Since you are so fond of the word "fool" he is one for you.

"The wise man never argues with the fool; casual observers may not be able to tell which is which."

 

[Craig234]

I think that posts are about as likely to get the narrowminded to grasp how mistaken they are in pushing the same unfit 'solutions' of ever harsher punishments for tragedies like this as they are to get pigs to sing.

There are people who just are not going to get it. All they have is a hammer, and eveything looks like a nail to them. The only options they can see are further increasing the punishment for this sort of act, and saying "who cares that he did it, let him free to do it again, eveveryone kill anyone you like and it's no problem!"

I don't see a message board post, sadly, getting anywhere. I don't want to discourage the attempt, but I think it's worth pointing out how much of a problem it is to do.

I will simply say that we don't vote on the approach to use in a brain surgery, we let experts choose - and the public is not in much position to directly debate how to reduce this sort of crime, the public is mostly limited to simplistic emotions to always make the punishment worse.

Simple logic would suggest to Americans that with among the worst rates of violence in the world, among the few highest rates of incarceration of our people, maybe the hammer we're using isn't the right tool for all the needs, and we should ask about that screwdriver and that rubber mallet other nations are using for these issues whch work better.

And simple logic has no place in the discussion for mahy Americans, who are tightly grasping their hammers.

One other note - I find that threads on tragedies like this do no good generally, and people are better off putting their time in real issues like the terrible crimes and corruptions in our government that are on the road to threatening democracy (and already do, to an extent), with the excessive corporatism, miilitarism, and more.

 

[sjvlad]

Plus, you have to sink to their level, then they beat you with experience.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: sjvlad

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: sjvlad

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Can somebody translate this for me? I stopped reading after the first sentence.

It's the wall of text defense. Often used on message forums, this unique defense helps substantiate a nonsensicle point by beating the other users over the head with a crapton of useless, rambling paragraphs.

I see here only the simpleton defense. "I am too stupid to reason this out so this must be BS." Second line of my sig is for you and the others like you.

And I see here only a self-rightous person so absorbed in their own personal crusade to prove themself better then everyone else. Don't assume that just because I, or anyone here, posts a sarcastic comment that we are incapable of forming our own thoughts and opinions.

I read, and understood, large block of text. To some extent I even agree with it. I don't agree that it is any way relevent to the OP. A man stabbed his child then ran over his wife. Again, it does not matter what his motives were, it matters what his actions were.

Post delayed by phone call, sorry!

You see a self righteous person so absorbed in his own personal crusade maybe because you feel worthless and ungrounded, my friend. If I wanted to prove I were better than you that would certainly be easy. I would need only take your point of view in everything and say it more eloquently, with more passion, verve, and conviction, no? And why else do you think you see me as needing to be better than everybody else if you yourself have no hidden feelings that I am really better than you. Your need to see me as in some kind of personal competition, I think, comes for you, completely from you.

I am glad you agree with some of what I said and sorry you don't see the relevance. His motives are vital to understanding what made him do what he did, but have nothing to do with the fact that we have to stop people from acting out if we can. There is a complete separation between stopping violent acting out and condemning the mentally ill for being sick.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Jesus, why post this here and then suggest how you want to stab this poor sad fool in the head yourself? Isn't one assault enough for you?

There must be consequences for violence that act in preventing further violence. As to the man and case in question ? if found guilty of these crimes hard labor outdoors in Alaska sounds more fitting than the death penalty.

What the hell for. You can't undo what is done. You do not understand why people do what they do because you would need to understand yourself and there's no way in hell you will go there. The fate of the land of fools is foolishness. There can be no understanding that the whole world is mentally ill. There can began in the land of fools no program to find a way out. Fools are self condemned to their foolishness. We fools will kill the killer if we can, torture him if we can, punish and punish till the end of time, because inwardly we are all in hell ourselves. We can't begin to reform the extreme mentally ill among us because we can't begin to reform ourselves. You understand, I hope, that we can't admit to the slightest flaw, our egos, that is, because to have a flaw of any kind leads right into those hidden, deeply buried feelings of worthlessness and self hate. All evil must be crushed and put out of mind.

There must be consequences for acts that prevent further violence. What rubbish. Our illness is nothing but the result of the violence against our being that was done to us for our own good. We are mad because we expect more of the same will have a different result. We do what is sick because we are sick and we continue with what is sick because we want to stay sick. Fools love being fools. Wisdom, for a fool, is what creates fear, self recognition that he or she is a fool. It's not going to happen. Just witness the reaction to my words. Moonbeam has landed from Mars.

Hehe, not to worry, having lost everything I ever held dear, I don't need no more walls. The cool thing about hell is that it leaves you with ash. Mix that with some sh!t and you get fertilizer.

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! my brain just expoded trying to figure out what the hell you are trying to say.

Whose is your speach writer? The same one Ahmadinejad uses? I have never seen such drivel on such a large scale before.
Since you are so fond of the word "fool" he is one for you.

"The wise man never argues with the fool; casual observers may not be able to tell which is which."

I like this saying. "The answer to a fool is silence, but experience has shown that in the long run any other answer will have the same effect." And I think your brain did explode because I heard a pop.

Seriously, If you have any questions as to my meaning you only need ask and I will clarify as best I can. But I assure you, the reason I sound incomprehensible to you is because I am talking about a deep truth you know nothing about, a truth that in fact haunts you because, well, because it's true. It is very very likely that in your whole long life you have actually never met anybody who knows anything. The truth is protected by being invisible and 180 degrees from where we look. It is protected by being the last thing we want to know. If truth were able to be handed to you in words alone, that would have happened long ago. Truth is self knowledge and that comes at tremendous price. It will cost you everything you value.

 

[Corn]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Luckily moonbeam has done such an eloquent job of illustrating the failures of the death penalty that we all have changed our mind on it.

Aye, he has, you smug simpleton.

Perp's state has the death penalty. Look how well it served as a deterrent here. If that's not a "failure of the death penalty", I'll pull that knife out of that poor woman's skull and lick it clean of blood myself. :|

The death penalty serves more than just deterrance, it is also punishment. Inversly, any type of punishment also serves as a deterrance, even in non-capital punishment states. Are you claiming that since life inprisonment doesn't deter murder that it is a failure and we should just allow criminals to roam free? Of course not, so please, don't debase yourself by using such a ridiculous argument.

I've got no problem punishing murderers by use of the death penalty when multiple disinterested witnesses testimony are used as evidence in a murder, or when other unimpeachable evidence is used to establish the guilt of the accused.

 

[imported_dna]

Here's a thought: putting people in jail for grand theft auto doesn't seem to stop people from stealing cars; how about we just let them all go?

 

[ProfJohn]

Any one ever heard of a book called "Crime and Punishment"?

Notice it wasn't called "Crime and Deferent" wonder why hmmmm

Look, moon, if you don?t like the death penalty just say so. If you think that in killing someone we become as bad as them then fine, say so, but get off your soap box and start talking sense.

Nice anti-death penalty quote to help you out

He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
Friedrich Nietzsche

 

[Moonbeam]

It always happens that when unsophisticated minds, no fault of their own really, run up against half of a paradox, like what to do with people who act out their mental illness, there allways appears the sort of absurdity posed as rebuttal that suggests the implications of truth inevitably leads to some absurdity like letting criminals roam free.

It is absurd to punish the mentally ill because they are mentally ill. It is absurd to allow the violently mentally ill to roam free. It is absurd to think that punishment, the thing that made us mentally ill in the first place and which we worship our of our Stockholm syndrome, is going to prevent crime. What will prevent crime is mental health. We are all insane and there is nothing we should be doing planet wide than curing that mental illness. We suffer from self hate caused by being put down as kids. We were taught that we are worthless and that teaching is a lie. We believe that lie so profoundly we are terrified to know now what it is we were made to feel. The memory of the source of our self hate is deeply repressed. To find our way back to sanity, to the gods that were our original potential, we will need to start on the work of remembering. We need to treat the entire world with psychotherapy, but it has to be focused on getting to the truth of what we feel. No pain no gain. We have to confront our memories by reliving our traumas. It's bad news but there is no other hope, unless you have the power to directly become God via total self surrender. I won't hold my breath on that either. You save the world if you save yourself.

 

[Craig234]

John,

I can make it pretty simple. You either see the inherent value in human life or you do not.

If you do, then you realize that the question isn't whether the death penalty makes you 'as bad as' the murderer; rather it's about you doing an additional harm.

Death penalty supporters typically misframe the issue this way; because they are killing a murderer, and the murderer killed an innocent person, they say it's ok.

They don't notice that both are human beings, and that both - while not necessarily 'equal' acts - do wrong because of the inherent value of human life.

And there are those who do not believe in the inherent value of life; they are usually the most loud in proclaiming how they are righteous in killing the murderers.

 

[fitzov]

Originally posted by: Craig234
John,

I can make it pretty simple. You either see the inherent value in human life or you do not.

If you do, then you realize that the question isn't whether the death penalty makes you 'as bad as' the murderer; rather it's about you doing an additional harm.

Death penalty supporters typically misframe the issue this way; because they are killing a murderer, and the murderer killed an innocent person, they say it's ok.

They don't notice that both are human beings, and that both - while not necessarily 'equal' acts - do wrong because of the inherent value of human life.

And there are those who do not believe in the inherent value of life; they are usually the most loud in proclaiming how they are righteous in killing the murderers.

There's nothing contradictory about lives having both intrinsic and extrinsic value when deciding whether a live is worth living, or worth terminating (or "executing" as we say). Perhaps you mean to say that there is a moral absolute that "thou shalt not execute a murderer"?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Any one ever heard of a book called "Crime and Punishment"?

Notice it wasn't called "Crime and Deferent" wonder why hmmmm

Look, moon, if you don?t like the death penalty just say so. If you think that in killing someone we become as bad as them then fine, say so, but get off your soap box and start talking sense.

Nice anti-death penalty quote to help you out

He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.
Friedrich Nietzsche

My opposition to the death penalty is simple. If you favor the death penalty, if you wish it on those who are evil, you condemn yourself because you feel inwardly that you are that evil. You are that evil because your hate of it has divided you from yourself. You will not allow yourself to know who you feel you really are so you condemn yourself to a life of denial. By doing so you shut the door to your own salvation. You feel like a monster and because you hate monsters you will not allow yourself to know what you feel. There are no monsters. There is only the illusion that what you feel, that you are a monster, is real. You believe in an illusion and that belief is what makes it real. You need to change the terms of the debate. You need to love monsters so that you can become the monster that you are. I mean here love in the sense of accept as a part of yourself. You have been deeply brainwashed to hate evil and then made to feel that you are evil. Only by removing the dynamic of hate from that equation can you resolve the catch 22 you are in. You have to understand that the insane are insane and act out of that same self hate that they have even worse than you. You have to have compassion for them as sick animals so you can have compassion for yourself. You don't have to love what they do because it is insane, evil and sick, but you must not blame them. The can't help the fact that they are sick. They are totally ignorant of the nature of their illness and can do nothing to save themselves. They do not know their self hate drives them or that it is in fact not the truth. They are the mechanical results of the insane sausage machine that we call human life caused by the universality of self hate.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Craig234
John,

I can make it pretty simple. You either see the inherent value in human life or you do not.

If you do, then you realize that the question isn't whether the death penalty makes you 'as bad as' the murderer; rather it's about you doing an additional harm.

Death penalty supporters typically misframe the issue this way; because they are killing a murderer, and the murderer killed an innocent person, they say it's ok.

They don't notice that both are human beings, and that both - while not necessarily 'equal' acts - do wrong because of the inherent value of human life.

And there are those who do not believe in the inherent value of life; they are usually the most loud in proclaiming how they are righteous in killing the murderers.

Very well said Craig, and in plain English too.
You make a good point, when we execute someone are we devaluing life?
It is the same argument made in abortion cases, or in the deaths in New Orleans during Katrina (The people supposedly killing in nursing homes to save them from suffering)
It is one hell of a tough question too.
Personally, I think people who kill innocent children (this guy, Scott Peterson) or commit mass murder (terrorists, serial killers) deserve the death penalty. I do not think by killing men such as these we are saying that there is no inherent value in human life, if anything we could be saying there is more value in life by sending the statement that if you take human life you will lose yours in return. Actions must have consequences, if you kill someone you risk losing your life. Ironically, they say the reason the death penalty is not a good deterrent is that we do not execute enough people, there is no sense among killers that they are going to be executed.
We?ve all seen ?bad? kids running around stores yelling and screaming, they do that because they have no fear of getting in trouble, meanwhile the ?good? kids know that if they did the same they would get their asses beat. That is consequences.

I am sure you are familiar with the concept of the three strikes your out laws. There was an argument made in New York when it was coming up with its version of this law that it was a bad law because New York lacked the death penalty. The idea was that someone with two strikes who is committing another crime is better off killing any witnesses, and thus increasing their chances of getting away with the crime, than letting them live. This was because there was no consequences for killing those people. I.e. don't kill them and get caught=life in jail, kill them and get caught=life in jail.

BTW: I find it ironic that many people who think it is wrong to execute someone for murder think it is ok for a Doctor to ?kill? an unborn baby.
I?ll make a deal with you, the right will give up capital punishment when the left gives up the right to abortion on demand, ok?

 

[Wheezer]

Moon, if you are so damned convinced that this guy is being treated unfairly then give 5 reasons that could justify and adult human being stabbing a 2 year old.

#1- I doubt you can.

#2- If you do, it shows how pathetic you truly are.

pick your poision.

 

[Craig234]

John, I appreciate your friendly response.

I think you still are not quite processing the idea yet though of inherent value of human life. If you were, you would not suggest equations where execution was justified.

It's one thing for you to say you just don't agree with that value, and another for you to suggest that execution is consistent with it.

What I see a lot of on the right are limited approaches where the only options are 'kill' or 'excuse and accept'. Naturally, they choose kill.

History is filled with simplistic ideologies which try to solve complex social issues with ideological approaches. Need you look further than the French or Soviet revolutions?

A man killing his child carries with it more than enough punishment when he's in his right mind, and an absence of guilt when he's not. What's needed is a far more reasonable analysis of the issues, not more simplistic approaches - just as the right's obsession with teaching only abstinence rather than sex education results in the highest rates of teen pregnancy and sexual diseases, because they refuse to use a more accurate approach and give up the simplistic ideology that preaching abstinence is best.

Fund studies by experts to see what can be done to reduce such killings. Recognize that there will always be some amount of tragedy like that, and overreacting can make it worse for society. Look at why he really does such a thing and what can be done to prevent it.

Until then, it's a little like the old days on gays - people want to condemn it so they made it illegal, failign to understand the nature of the issue. All they did was to increase the tragedy, by adding criminal sanctions to something they could not undo with an act of law - see the story of Alan Turing for an example of the price paid for the foolishness. Or see the gay teen suicide rates, helped only when the prejudice they face is ended.

Finally, I disagre with your approach to making a 'deal' on the death penalty and abortion. These are not horses to be traded, they are moral issues to be decided on principle.

It so happens my 'pro-life' views encompass the death penalty and abortion so I'd agree with your offer, but not because of compromising on the issues.

And it's sad that your reason for agreeing to the policies is for trading reasons, not reasons of principle.

You are willing to take human life for the death penalty, but your conviction it's the right thing to do is not that strong apparently, as you will trade it away.

If the need for taking those lives is not that strong, perhaps you should not do it regardless of the abortion situation.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Wheezer
Moon, if you are so damned convinced that this guy is being treated unfairly then give 5 reasons that could justify and adult human being stabbing a 2 year old.

#1- I doubt you can.

#2- If you do, it shows how pathetic you truly are.

pick your poision.

No Weezer, those are your poisons, not mine. See if you can distinguish between acting rationally and judging something to be unfair. It isn't that it is unfair to execute people. It is that is harms those who do the execution. Also nothing on earth can justify stabbing a 2 year old child. See if you can comprehend, too, the difference between justify and explain. I know what you do not. The murder is not a rational person who makes a choice to kill, but a machine that has no choice but to choose as he does. What is pathetic, in my opinion, here, is your incapacity to think. But I understand it, because you need to protect yourself from knowing what you feel. You need to make a demon of the killer so you can justify your own crime in killing him.

 

[fitzov]

I think you still are not quite processing the idea yet though of inherent value of human life. If you were, you would not suggest equations where execution was justified.

The negative extrinsic value can outweigh the positive intrinsic value--in this way execution can be just.

 

[ProfJohn]

Craig,

You are pro-life so the deal means nothing to you, it was aimed at the radical pro-choice people. It is called illustrating absurdity by being absurd. A woman can walk into a clinic 2 weeks before a baby is due and have it aborted, but if she kills the same baby two weeks after birth it is a crime. That is a shame. Since we abort FAR more babies than execute murderers that is probably a more important topic than this one. (Great now all the whacko are going to attack me for being some crazy anti-abortion crusader)

Points to Craig for being philosophical in his argument and not emotional. Two threads in a row, we are both going to be banned for bringing reason to these forums.
Since neither of us are likely to change our mind on this subject can we go back to making fun of moonbeam and his craziness?

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Wheezer
Moon, if you are so damned convinced that this guy is being treated unfairly then give 5 reasons that could justify and adult human being stabbing a 2 year old.

#1- I doubt you can.

#2- If you do, it shows how pathetic you truly are.

pick your poision.

No Weezer, those are your poisons, not mine. See if you can distinguish between acting rationally and judging something to be unfair. It isn't that it is unfair to execute people. It is that is harms those who do the execution. Also nothing on earth can justify stabbing a 2 year old child. See if you can comprehend, too, the difference between justify and explain. I know what you do not. The murder is not a rational person who makes a choice to kill, but a machine that has no choice but to choose as he does. What is pathetic, in my opinion, here, is your incapacity to think. But I understand it, because you need to protect yourself from knowing what you feel. You need to make a demon of the killer so you can justify your own crime in killing him.

LOL...no, I KNOW exactly what I feel, and that man deserves no pity, no compassion and no second chances. He is not the victim in this case. THe young life he snuffed out that never had a chance to blossom. He took it for his own selfish reasons.

This act is not one that can be redeemed....I know you wish it to be so, but it cannot. You can be as forgiving as you want or as "enlightened" as you think you are, but the true measure is to see things as they really are. As you have stated there is no reason to take the life of a 2 year old. Do you not agree that he should be punished? Do you not agree that in general the punishment should fit the crime? If that is so then what punishment is befitting a man who stabs a child to death? Life in prision? Sorry, no.

What is there to think about?

#1- there are witnesses (fact)

#2- He stabbed a toddler (fact)

#3- you yourself said there is no justification for it (fact)

When this goes to trial (provided he lives long enough) he will be convicted. I can wait.

Because when he is it will be a conviction by a jury of his peers.

I know you want so bad for people who do bad things to be forgiven for they know what not they do, but the sad fact is, this is reality and people do bad things need to be punished accordingly. Put into a 6x6 cell with 3 squares a day, something that you can
become accustomed to...you may not like it but you can learn to live with it (and that is the operative word here..l-i-v-e) does not fit the crime of murdering a child. period.

you can slice it anyway you want.

I can only hope that you do not have or will not have children, if they are ever killed or maimed you certainly will not be there to make sure that the person convicted of assaulting them or killing them will be punished accordingly.

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Wheezer

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Wheezer
Moon, if you are so damned convinced that this guy is being treated unfairly then give 5 reasons that could justify and adult human being stabbing a 2 year old.

#1- I doubt you can.

#2- If you do, it shows how pathetic you truly are.

pick your poision.

No Weezer, those are your poisons, not mine. See if you can distinguish between acting rationally and judging something to be unfair. It isn't that it is unfair to execute people. It is that is harms those who do the execution. Also nothing on earth can justify stabbing a 2 year old child. See if you can comprehend, too, the difference between justify and explain. I know what you do not. The murder is not a rational person who makes a choice to kill, but a machine that has no choice but to choose as he does. What is pathetic, in my opinion, here, is your incapacity to think. But I understand it, because you need to protect yourself from knowing what you feel. You need to make a demon of the killer so you can justify your own crime in killing him.

LOL...no, I KNOW exactly what I feel, and that man deserves no pity, no compassion and no second chances. He is not the victim in this case. THe young life he snuffed out that never had a chance to blossom. He took it for his own selfish reasons.

This act is not one that can be redeemed....I know you wish it to be so, but it cannot. You can be as forgiving as you want or as "enlightened" as you think you are, but the true measure is to see things as they really are. As you have stated there is no reason to take the life of a 2 year old. Do you not agree that he should be punished? Do you not agree that in general the punishment should fit the crime? If that is so then what punishment is befitting a man who stabs a child to death? Life in prision? Sorry, no.

What is there to think about?

#1- there are witnesses (fact)

#2- He stabbed a toddler (fact)

#3- you yourself said there is no justification for it (fact)

When this goes to trial (provided he lives long enough) he will be convicted. I can wait.

Because when he is it will be a conviction by a jury of his peers.

I know you want so bad for people who do bad things to be forgiven for they know what not they do, but the sad fact is, this is reality and people do bad things need to be punished accordingly. Put into a 6x6 cell with 3 squares a day, something that you can
become accustomed to...you may not like it but you can learn to live with it (and that is the operative word here..l-i-v-e) does not fit the crime of murdering a child. period.

you can slice it anyway you want.

I can only hope that you do not have or will not have children, if they are ever killed or maimed you certainly will not be there to make sure that the person convicted of assaulting them or killing them will be punished accordingly.

Hehe, my dear Sir. You have no idea what you feel. You would crap your pants and probably check out as fast as you could if the truth were to come to you suddenly. What you feel is your most deeply hidden truth. But you can get an inkling of what you feel about yourself from what you think are your feelings toward the child killer. But don't worry, you will never have to know. The effort to discover what you feel is enormously difficult even when you think you want to.

 

[Jaskalas]

We don?t need the death penalty, but are you proposing we let such violence roam free?

 

[imported_dna]

Hey Moonbeam, are you and LemonLaw related? He used to write a whole lot of philosophical B.S. as well.

Even though I'm pretty sure you're trolling, I'll just say this:
Society executes people as a punishment for horrible crimes. The people who commit such crimes can no longer be trusted to run around freely.
If you want someone like that living next to you, then perhaps you should file papers to adopt him, and give him the love and care that he so desperately lacked as a child.