Man stabbed, decapitated on bus bound for Winnipeg

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: Sabot
Jesus christ did anyone read the bottom of the page? Are they trying to be funny?

The minister said he's not entertaining any notion of registering knives as dangerous weapons given that millions of kitchen knives alone are sold annually.

Some numbnuts journalist probably asked a question.

Journalist: "Because this attack involved a dangerous knife, is the government considering registering knives as dangerous weapons?"

Minister: "Millions of kitchen knives alone are sold every year, so no."

 

[Kenazo]

I edited a new article into my OP.

 

[silverpig]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: Nebor

Why do you keep a fire extinguisher in your house 24/7? Are you afraid? :roll:

Always be prepared. Or be dead. It's pretty much up to you.

I don't often say this, but owned. Perfect analogy.

Do you wear a visi-vest when crossing the road? You can get hit by a car.

Do you perpetually crouch when outside during a thunderstorm? You can get hit by lightning.

Do you wear a lifejacket every time you swim?

Dangers exist everywhere. You can't be prepared for all of them.

Back to the thread-relevant discussion: How would a gun have helped in this situation? A gun wouldn't have saved anyone and would likely have killed at least one more person. A gun on your belt doesn't do you any good when a psycho with a knife slashes your neck when you sleep.

 

[TehMac]

What was the race/name? Why aren't we hearing this??

 

[Poulsonator]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: Nebor

Why do you keep a fire extinguisher in your house 24/7? Are you afraid? :roll:

Always be prepared. Or be dead. It's pretty much up to you.

I don't often say this, but owned. Perfect analogy.

I've known people who have died in fires. I know a LOT of people who have had to use their fire extinguishers (me included). They (fire extinguishers) are also legally required in some places.

I've never known someone who died because they didn't have a gun with them. I've never known anyone who used their concealed weapon to protect themselves or anyone else in a dangerous situation.

It's not a perfect analogy.

I've never carried a gun with me in my life, and I'm still alive. The vast majority of the users on this forum can say the same thing. The vast majority of living people can say the same thing.

 

[Kenazo]

There is rumor that the victim is native, but not sure about the attacker.

 

[thepd7]

Originally posted by: Poulsonator

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: Nebor

Why do you keep a fire extinguisher in your house 24/7? Are you afraid? :roll:

Always be prepared. Or be dead. It's pretty much up to you.

I don't often say this, but owned. Perfect analogy.

I've known people who have died in fires. I know a LOT of people who have had to use their fire extinguishers (me included). They (fire extinguishers) are also legally required in some places.

I've never known someone who died because they didn't have a gun with them. I've never known anyone who used their concealed weapon to protect themselves or anyone else in a dangerous situation.

It's not a perfect analogy.

I've never carried a gun with me in my life, and I'm still alive. The vast majority of the users on this forum can say the same thing. The vast majority of living people can say the same thing.

So, I've never used a fire extinguisher or known anyone who has. What makes one any different than the other? Your personal opinion?

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Poulsonator
I've never known someone who died because they didn't have a gun with them. I've never known anyone who used their concealed weapon to protect themselves or anyone else in a dangerous situation.

It happens every day. Both situations. Just off the top of my head, the five women executed in a clothing store robbery.. And an ex-marine being attacked by a couple of thugs defended his life. The old guy was in Florida too.

Florida has more CWPs per capita than any other state IIRC, so it's suprising you don't know anyone with one.

I've personally used a firearm to defend myself, and another time a third party. And this was before I had a badge, when I was just carrying a firearm under the authority of my CHL.

 

[Scouzer]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: thraashman

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: thraashman
So for all the people that are trying to say that a gun would have saved a life, I'd say you're quite wrong. The man had already been stabbed multiple times before anyone even knew what was going on. The man was likely already dead within a few minutes and no gun would have saved him. And then there's the thought you're missing, what if the psycho had a gun? Then you'd likely have at least 5 people dead before anyone stopped him. Guns are not some miracle device that save the world.

I would take gun vs knife over fists vs knife any day of the week

My point is that a gun wouldn't have changed anything. The man would have been stabbed to death still. Bringing a gun into the situation would have at best done one of two things. Either first the murderer himself would have gotten murdered. Or second other innocent bystanders would have gotten shot. Neither of these impoves the situation. So why tout that a gun would have saved the day, when indeed it would not have done so.

The first way would have saved the canadian gov't millions in prosecution and a lifetime of incarceration. That would be the best possible outcome, IMO, given that the victim was dead either way.

The death penalty costs just as much as a life in jail.

 

[fishjie]

what do you mean a gun wouldn't have solved anything? it would have killed off a useless scumbag that would have otherwise been a drain on society.

 

[Scouzer]

Originally posted by: fishjie
what do you mean a gun wouldn't have solved anything? it would have killed off a useless scumbag that would have otherwise been a drain on society.

Or he could have had a gun himself, shot 5 people before they managed to pull their own guns out, and resulted in 5-10x the people dead.

 

[bigdog1218]

Originally posted by: BudAshes
I love how you guys think someone should have pulled out a gun and started shooting at a crazed maniac on a bus full of people. You retards have watched too many action movies and played too many video games, you are not bruce willis or max payne.

It's all talk, they carry guns for a reason, and it's not because they have a set.

 

[fishjie]

Originally posted by: Scouzer

Originally posted by: fishjie
what do you mean a gun wouldn't have solved anything? it would have killed off a useless scumbag that would have otherwise been a drain on society.

Or he could have had a gun himself, shot 5 people before they managed to pull their own guns out, and resulted in 5-10x the people dead.

you mean like at v-tech, where nobody had a gun on hand to stop the shooter?

yeah exactly. when a killer has a gun and no one else does, bad things happen.

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Originally posted by: sierrita

Originally posted by: OdiN

Originally posted by: sierrita

Originally posted by: Nebor


My gun's on belt, not in my luggage. Carrying an inaccessible firearm is pointless. I never ride DART (Dallas Area Rapid Transit) trains or buses without a sidearm. Of course, I never go anywhere without my sidearm.

Damn, that's cowardly.

Yes, defending someone's life while risking your own in doing so is such a cowardly act. :roll:

No; being afraid to leave your house without a gun is.

So...being ready to defend yourself is cowardly? I carry a pocket knife at all times and keep a hand on it in my pocket in rough areas. There's a difference between being "scared to go outside" and wanting to be prepared - being a brave and unarmed isn't going to help you when there's a guy with a knife running around.

I've never carried a gun with me in my life, and I'm still alive. The vast majority of the users on this forum can say the same thing. The vast majority of living people can say the same thing.

The vast majority of people also haven't died in fires. Is it because they had a fire extinguisher handy? Not always, but they have saved lives.

It would be better if guns didn't exist, but they do. And is it better if

a) Only criminals have guns
b) Both criminals and law-abiding citizens have guns

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: TehMac
What was the race/name? Why aren't we hearing this??

Because it's not the US and we don't automatically turn everything into a race issue up here in Canada?

KT

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: TehMac
What was the race/name? Why aren't we hearing this??

Because it's not the US and we don't automatically turn everything into a race issue up here in Canada?

KT

Well, how about a name then, Mr. "I am more open minded than you, so I prefer a closed mind"?

 

[KeithTalent]

Originally posted by: TehMac

Originally posted by: KeithTalent

Originally posted by: TehMac
What was the race/name? Why aren't we hearing this??

Because it's not the US and we don't automatically turn everything into a race issue up here in Canada?

KT

Well, how about a name then, Mr. "I am more open minded than you, so I prefer a closed mind"?

What does his race have to do with anything? I'm failing to see the connection.

KT

 

[Kabob]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
It would be better if guns didn't exist, but they do. And is it better if

a) Only criminals have guns
b) Both criminals and law-abiding citizens have guns

I'll choose B please final answer.

Criminals are going to get guns one way or another, and most of the time someone who's up to no good isn't going to get it legally. Gun laws only take away a person's ability to fight back.

In the story (as it reads) true, a gun wouldn't have prevented it since there was no warning but in lots of daily situations it does.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Something about this story seems horrifying to me (I know, odd, right?). I mean, the witnesses on the bus claim they heard a blood-curdling scream. They turn, and they see someone being repeatedly stabbed. And rather than ANYONE confronting the guy and trying to get him to stop stabbing this poor kid, they all file calmly off the bus? That doesn't sit well with me. I'm not going to weigh in on the gun debate that this thread has turned into. All I know is if I saw someone being repeatedly stabbed on a bus, I would hope that I could be courageous enough to intervene. If two or three people had the testicular fortitude to tackle the guy and wrestle the knife away, the kid might still be alive. Even if he had still died, to go through life thinking "I witnessed someone stabbed to death and decapitated and I was too cowardly to intervene"... No thank you.

 

[ric1287]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Something about this story seems horrifying to me (I know, odd, right?). I mean, the witnesses on the bus claim they heard a blood-curdling scream. They turn, and they see someone being repeatedly stabbed. And rather than ANYONE confronting the guy and trying to get him to stop stabbing this poor kid, they all file calmly off the bus? That doesn't sit well with me. I'm not going to weigh in on the gun debate that this thread has turned into. All I know is if I saw someone being repeatedly stabbed on a bus, I would hope that I could be courageous enough to intervene. If two or three people had the testicular fortitude to tackle the guy and wrestle the knife away, the kid might still be alive. Even if he had still died, to go through life thinking "I witnessed someone stabbed to death and decapitated and I was too cowardly to intervene"... No thank you.

Or you would be stabbed and decapitated too

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: KeithTalent
What does his race have to do with anything? I'm failing to see the connection.

KT

Maybe his cultural attitudes have something to do with it?

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Scouzer

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: thraashman

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: thraashman
So for all the people that are trying to say that a gun would have saved a life, I'd say you're quite wrong. The man had already been stabbed multiple times before anyone even knew what was going on. The man was likely already dead within a few minutes and no gun would have saved him. And then there's the thought you're missing, what if the psycho had a gun? Then you'd likely have at least 5 people dead before anyone stopped him. Guns are not some miracle device that save the world.

I would take gun vs knife over fists vs knife any day of the week

My point is that a gun wouldn't have changed anything. The man would have been stabbed to death still. Bringing a gun into the situation would have at best done one of two things. Either first the murderer himself would have gotten murdered. Or second other innocent bystanders would have gotten shot. Neither of these impoves the situation. So why tout that a gun would have saved the day, when indeed it would not have done so.

The first way would have saved the canadian gov't millions in prosecution and a lifetime of incarceration. That would be the best possible outcome, IMO, given that the victim was dead either way.

The death penalty costs just as much as a life in jail.

Nope, looks like it would have only cost about 76 cents.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Something about this story seems horrifying to me (I know, odd, right?). I mean, the witnesses on the bus claim they heard a blood-curdling scream. They turn, and they see someone being repeatedly stabbed. And rather than ANYONE confronting the guy and trying to get him to stop stabbing this poor kid, they all file calmly off the bus? That doesn't sit well with me. I'm not going to weigh in on the gun debate that this thread has turned into. All I know is if I saw someone being repeatedly stabbed on a bus, I would hope that I could be courageous enough to intervene. If two or three people had the testicular fortitude to tackle the guy and wrestle the knife away, the kid might still be alive. Even if he had still died, to go through life thinking "I witnessed someone stabbed to death and decapitated and I was too cowardly to intervene"... No thank you.

Or you would be stabbed and decapitated too

Maybe. I have a hard time believing that if the entire bus had rushed the guy to get the knife away from him, he would have managed to kill all of them. Even if only one person went to help, others in the crowd probably would have joined in. Not one single person went to help. That's deeply saddening.

 

[dennilfloss]

On the Montreal-Ottawa leg of my return trip from Quebec City Monday, the bald guy with heavy brow ridges sitting next to me looked like the tank commander in Reign Of Fire. I did keep an eye on him from time to time. At least I sit in the aisle seat, not the window seat, so I can stretch my legs and go pee/flee if needed.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy

Originally posted by: ric1287

Originally posted by: Atomic Playboy
Something about this story seems horrifying to me (I know, odd, right?). I mean, the witnesses on the bus claim they heard a blood-curdling scream. They turn, and they see someone being repeatedly stabbed. And rather than ANYONE confronting the guy and trying to get him to stop stabbing this poor kid, they all file calmly off the bus? That doesn't sit well with me. I'm not going to weigh in on the gun debate that this thread has turned into. All I know is if I saw someone being repeatedly stabbed on a bus, I would hope that I could be courageous enough to intervene. If two or three people had the testicular fortitude to tackle the guy and wrestle the knife away, the kid might still be alive. Even if he had still died, to go through life thinking "I witnessed someone stabbed to death and decapitated and I was too cowardly to intervene"... No thank you.

Or you would be stabbed and decapitated too

Maybe. I have a hard time believing that if the entire bus had rushed the guy to get the knife away from him, he would have managed to kill all of them. Even if only one person went to help, others in the crowd probably would have joined in. Not one single person went to help. That's deeply saddening.

That was my first response to this thread. A common response was, "Intervene? I could get HURT!"