Man speaks out after Sept. 11 acquittal

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Ten days after jets destroyed the World Trade Center and struck the Pentagon, Osama Awadallah was detained by FBI agents.

He had never even gotten a parking ticket, but he was from Jordan ? and he had met two of the hijackers.

The 21-year-old community college student, one of hundreds of Muslim men picked up in the frenzied dragnet following the attacks, was whisked to New York to testify as a material witness before a grand jury.

That set off a five-year legal ordeal that ended last month with Awadallah's acquittal on perjury charges. He was never accused of involvement in terrorism but was charged with lying about how well he knew one of the hijackers.

In spite of his experience, he is moving ahead with long-held plans to apply for U.S. citizenship. He graduated with honors last spring from San Diego State University, is looking for a computer technician job and is studying for graduate school entrance exams.

"I want to move on from this, find my lucky girl and just be like every other American," he said recently at a restaurant in this San Diego suburb.

An observant Muslim, he politely declined to shake hands with a female reporter. He began with brusque questions about why he was being interviewed, but quickly relaxed in conversation.

"I watch what I say, who I'm talking to these days," he said. "The real effect is in trusting people."

Awadallah grew up in Jordan while his father and three older brothers came to San Diego to start a courier business. In 1999, he joined his father ? by then a naturalized U.S. citizen ? as a legal resident.

He found a mosque, got a job at a gas station and took English classes before enrolling at Grossmont College in the fall of 2000. At the gas station, Awadallah briefly worked with a Saudi named Nawaf al-Hazmi. A friend of al-Hazmi's, another Saudi named Khalid al-Mihdhar, sometimes stopped by the station.

On Sept. 11, 2001, he turned on the TV just as a hijacked American Airlines airliner slammed into the Pentagon with al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar on board.

"It was unbelievable, like a movie or something," Awadallah said. "I couldn't believe that was happening."

On Sept. 21, the FBI picked him up for questioning because agents found his phone number on a piece of paper in a car registered to al-Hazmi.

Awadallah says the agents promised he would be back in time for noon prayers. He didn't get home until that December.

Instead, Awadallah says, he was flown to New York, placed in solitary confinement with no access to his family or his lawyer, repeatedly strip-searched and subjected to bruising physical force by guards.

"Suddenly all these fingers were pointing at me, people were telling me I was responsible for 4,000 deaths," Awadallah said. "That I cannot forget. It's impossible for anyone to imagine how that feels."

Taken before the grand jury in shackles, Awadallah said he had met al-Hazmi in San Diego but denied knowing al-Mihdhar until prosecutors confronted him with an assignment notebook for his English class in which he had written both men's names.

Prosecutors charged him with two counts of perjury, alleging he had withheld potentially critical information about the hijackers. Defense attorneys said he had simply been confused, that he was tired, disoriented and struggling to understand legal terms in English.

In December 2001 he was released on $500,000 bail and returned to San Diego, wearing an electronic ankle bracelet. His friends at school and at his mosque avoided him.

"They thought if they walked with me they'd get in trouble, and there were other people who even thought I was working for the government," he said.

His case finally went to trial last April, ending in a mistrial after a lone juror held out against conviction. In November, a second jury found him not guilty.

Awadallah has sued the government, alleging he was wrongly detained and mistreated by guards. Elizabeth Wolstein, an assistant U.S. attorney in the case, declined to comment.

"I'm happy for myself because of the verdict, but I think I should fight for my rights," Awadallah said. "My whole life has been affected."



Hey, I would have downplayed the fact I knew one of the hijackers. I find that understandable.
It is interesting how the result of his first trial was hung at 11-1 for conviction. Yet a few months later at his second trial he was aquitted 12-0. I wonder what changed?
If what this guy says is true, he was doing just what we hope immigrants will do. Get a job, learn English and become part of the American dream.
 

Aimster

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Too many closed-minded people and rednecks in the U.S.
They will judge people from the M.E simply on the color of their skin. In this case his name didn't help either.

Lucky for him for that one juror otherwise he would have been screwed for life.
 

glenn beck

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Too many closed-minded people and rednecks in the U.S.
They will judge people from the M.E simply on the color of their skin. In this case his name didn't help either.

Lucky for him for that one juror otherwise he would have been screwed for life.

He had never even gotten a parking ticket, but he was from Jordan ? and he had met two of the hijackers.


Gee I wonder why he was a suspect you moron
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: glenn beck
Originally posted by: Aimster
Too many closed-minded people and rednecks in the U.S.
They will judge people from the M.E simply on the color of their skin. In this case his name didn't help either.

Lucky for him for that one juror otherwise he would have been screwed for life.

He had never even gotten a parking ticket, but he was from Jordan ? and he had met two of the hijackers.


Gee I wonder why he was a suspect you moron

Who the hell you calling a moron?

Your intelligence is lacking and you can continue to respond to my posts making a complete fool out of yourself.

Meeting with someone does not warrant being detained for several months. If he was white and his name was Glenn I am sure he would have been detained for several months as well, huh?

Go on Mr.Glenn respond with your BS post now.
If you feel this man is a threat go kill him. Otherwise stfu or continue to post and defend rednecks.
 

operaman1

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: glenn beck
Originally posted by: Aimster
Too many closed-minded people and rednecks in the U.S.
They will judge people from the M.E simply on the color of their skin. In this case his name didn't help either.

Lucky for him for that one juror otherwise he would have been screwed for life.

He had never even gotten a parking ticket, but he was from Jordan ? and he had met two of the hijackers.


Gee I wonder why he was a suspect you moron

Who the hell you calling a moron?

Your intelligence is lacking and you can continue to respond to my posts making a complete fool out of yourself.

Meeting with someone does not warrant being detained for several months. If he was white and his name was Glenn I am sure he would have been detained for several months as well, huh?

Go on Mr.Glenn respond with your BS post now.
If you feel this man is a threat go kill him. Otherwise stfu or continue to post and defend rednecks.

I think his response has to do with the fact that you trivialize an entire region of our country as stupid and incompetent. What he did was no different than what you did except for the fact you somehow feel more morally and intellectually justified in your remarks.

Actually detaining this man was definitely justified. Sorry. Is it a miscarriage of justice now ? Sure. But to say there was no reasoning for detaining this guy, and to assume people were not acting some way in an aggressive manner in response to the horror that was the 9/11 attacks is a little short-sighted don't you think? Holding him accountable for a few years was the injustice, but had little to do with Bush or his "cronies" pushing the buttons as much as it was some US D.A. covering his or her ass in order to obtain a conviction for their future political record. Really, this is no different than the D.A. in the Duke Lacrosse case or past D.A.'s to infinitum padding their record in a miscarriage of justice. This case is just more racially charged and is a favorite in the moment for political expediency.
 

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"too many". That could be 100, 1,000 10,000, 100,000, etc. It does not label an entire region unless one wants to put words into my mouth. There are a lot of redneck and close-minded people in the U.S. Many people in the U.S look at Muslims and they think bad things, do you not agree?

My point was if he was white and his name was glenn he would not have been detained.

People bitch and complain about how uncivil the M.E is because they detain people for no reason and lock them up, etc. Welcome, the U.S is now exactly like that. You know people are still detained in immigration cells last I read. Might as well throw them in the prision system. "Why are you here" "oh I couldnt go back to my country theyd kill me" "Cool, I murdered someone man". Yet, if they were Mexican they would have been freed by now.

You just said it yourself, some D.A was covering his ass. That doesnt make it right. It just proves that the D.A is wrong. If every D.A could do that then they would. Detain everyone so they could look good on paper.
The D.A in the Duke case was wrong and I hope he loses his job and works at a Kwiki Mart for the rest of his life. Would you want that man prosecuting anyone again?
 

tvarad

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Aimster:
"My point was if he was white and his name was glenn he would not have been detained. ... People bitch and complain about how uncivil the M.E is because they detain people for no reason and lock them up, etc."

Man, what planet are you from. The M.E. is uncivil because people out there regard life as being very cheap (look at the daily slaughter in Iraq). 9/11 brought the same message from the M.E. to the West.

My name is not glenn and I am not white, and I have not been bothered once in the U.S. or Europe for that matter since 9/11. In the search to unearth 9/11 hijacker style vipers, sometimes you make mistakes (and even here, there is still no evidence that the fellow did not lie). Don't pass it off as discrimination.
 

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Thanks for proving that you are one of the many rednecks and close-minded people I was talking about.
 

blackangst1

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Was the US D.A. justified in holding and questioning him? Absolutely. Alot of the same people who shun the government for holding him are the same people who criticize the administration for failing to heed the advice given BEFORE 9/11. You cant have it both ways...

Anyway, the one part of this story that is very facsinating to me, is this fine gem: "An observant Muslim, he politely declined to shake hands with a female reporter."

Ah what a great American he'll be. As much as he...um...loves America, he certainly doesnt believe in our core belief that all citizens are equal. Obviously he still holds the opinion that women are second class citizens. Great huh?
 

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Originally posted by: blackangst1
Was the US D.A. justified in holding and questioning him? Absolutely. Alot of the same people who shun the government for holding him are the same people who criticize the administration for failing to heed the advice given BEFORE 9/11. You cant have it both ways...

The issue is not that he was held, but how he was held.

Instead, Awadallah says, he was flown to New York, placed in solitary confinement with no access to his family or his lawyer, repeatedly strip-searched and subjected to bruising physical force by guards.
 

blackangst1

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Originally posted by: blackllotus
Originally posted by: blackangst1
Was the US D.A. justified in holding and questioning him? Absolutely. Alot of the same people who shun the government for holding him are the same people who criticize the administration for failing to heed the advice given BEFORE 9/11. You cant have it both ways...

The issue is not that he was held, but how he was held.

Instead, Awadallah says, he was flown to New York, placed in solitary confinement with no access to his family or his lawyer, repeatedly strip-searched and subjected to bruising physical force by guards.

Yeah I guess we should have put him in a minimum security prison with cable TV and allowed to mingle with the population...maybe tea for lunch?

 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: glenn beck
Originally posted by: Aimster
Too many closed-minded people and rednecks in the U.S.
They will judge people from the M.E simply on the color of their skin. In this case his name didn't help either.

Lucky for him for that one juror otherwise he would have been screwed for life.

He had never even gotten a parking ticket, but he was from Jordan ? and he had met two of the hijackers.


Gee I wonder why he was a suspect you moron

Who the hell you calling a moron?

Your intelligence is lacking and you can continue to respond to my posts making a complete fool out of yourself.

Meeting with someone does not warrant being detained for several months. If he was white and his name was Glenn I am sure he would have been detained for several months as well, huh?

Go on Mr.Glenn respond with your BS post now.
If you feel this man is a threat go kill him. Otherwise stfu or continue to post and defend rednecks.

I'm sorry to say, but you are right. If it was a white guy, he wouldn't be detained. With that closed, I think racial profiling can work. In case you didn't notice, because I didn't, I did not see a white guy named anything near white name on the planes. So someone from the same region of the world who had become friends with the hijackers does warrant suspicion. Profiling does work, whether its politically correct or not, to think otherwise is foolish.
 

Tom

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So he was detained from September to December, not really such an outrageous length of time given the severity of the crime and the circumstantial evidence possibly linking him to it. The article also doesn't specifiy why the detention lasted that long, maybe it took a while to raise the bail money ?

Whoever wrote this article peppered it with dramatic sounding incidents that aren't of any real significance. For instance, there's nothing unusual about appearing before the grand jury in shackles.

The so-called five year legal "ordeal", did his defense lawyers ever ask for a continuance during that time ? Other than not knowing the final outcome, there wasn't a five year "ordeal", he was free to go about his life for the most part. If his friends and family shunned him, that's their problem, not the government's responsibility.

Another way to look at this is our system worked for this man, a non-citizen from a Middle Eastern country, after an extreme attack upon that system, even though this man was an acquaintance of the perpetrators.

 

tvarad

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Richarde:

"Profiling does work, whether its politically correct or not, to think otherwise is foolish. "

In fact, profiling would help a lot non-whites who are now lumped together with muslims and M.E.ers who are the root cause of the terrorist problem. e.g. Sikhs are most frequently attacked under the mistaken assumption that they are muslim just because they wear turbans. The only person killed in 9/11 revenge attacks was a Sikh.
 

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profiling is not the problem here. I agree profiling works.

The problem is this man was basically kidnapped in a way. Guy got up one morning and was basically taken in and flown to another state where he had no access to his family or lawyer. The guards there were probably furious at what happened and since he was there they assumed he was part of the attacks so they treated him like scum.

His only crime was that he wrote down someone's name on a notebook and his phone number was found at the crime scene. Right after 9/11 the mood of the people in the U.S was anger and hate that they were so ready to convict him (1 juror saved his life). Foward, when the mood has calmed down, he was freed by the jury.

The proper procedure would have been to take him in for questioning and then follow his every moves.
 

Aimster

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Originally posted by: Tom
So he was detained from September to December, not really such an outrageous length of time given the severity of the crime and the circumstantial evidence possibly linking him to it. The article also doesn't specifiy why the detention lasted that long, maybe it took a while to raise the bail money ?

Whoever wrote this article peppered it with dramatic sounding incidents that aren't of any real significance. For instance, there's nothing unusual about appearing before the grand jury in shackles.

The so-called five year legal "ordeal", did his defense lawyers ever ask for a continuance during that time ? Other than not knowing the final outcome, there wasn't a five year "ordeal", he was free to go about his life for the most part. If his friends and family shunned him, that's their problem, not the government's responsibility.

Another way to look at this is our system worked for this man, a non-citizen from a Middle Eastern country, after an extreme attack upon that system, even though this man was an acquaintance of the perpetrators.

It says he wasnt given access to his lawyer when he was flown to New York.
 

operaman1

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Thanks for proving that you are one of the many rednecks and close-minded people I was talking about.

Aimster take it easy on the guy. He was giving a dissenting opinion. Calling him a redneck I think was a little out of line. You are right about the Duke DA. It is sad to say that people on both sides (Dem-Repub) covering their asses and always working towards a reelection etc, that truth and right gets thrown to the wayside. Hopefully the new Democratically controlled Congress can prove me wrong and get back to helping the American People.
 

daniel49

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: glenn beck
Originally posted by: Aimster
Too many closed-minded people and rednecks in the U.S.
They will judge people from the M.E simply on the color of their skin. In this case his name didn't help either.

Lucky for him for that one juror otherwise he would have been screwed for life.

He had never even gotten a parking ticket, but he was from Jordan ? and he had met two of the hijackers.


Gee I wonder why he was a suspect you moron

Who the hell you calling a moron?

Your intelligence is lacking and you can continue to respond to my posts making a complete fool out of yourself.

Meeting with someone does not warrant being detained for several months. If he was white and his name was Glenn I am sure he would have been detained for several months as well, huh?

Go on Mr.Glenn respond with your BS post now.
If you feel this man is a threat go kill him. Otherwise stfu or continue to post and defend rednecks.

Or perhaps another way to look at it.
If he was named glen and white and he was living in Jorden after a plane had hit the kings palace, he would have been lucky to get life?
What to me that is so disembodied from reality here is :

1) Not that he was picked up for months until cleared.
2) Not that he was set free after cleared.
3) But that he was allowed a process to clear himslf that would not have been afforded to him in the Arab world.

There is no clearer example of the difference between western and middle eastern culture as this.
 

tvarad

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daniel49,
In fact, the irony here is that a savage who refuses to shake hands with a female is being given the benefit of a noble concept called rule of law.
 

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Originally posted by: operaman1
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: glenn beck
Originally posted by: Aimster
Too many closed-minded people and rednecks in the U.S.
They will judge people from the M.E simply on the color of their skin. In this case his name didn't help either.

Lucky for him for that one juror otherwise he would have been screwed for life.

He had never even gotten a parking ticket, but he was from Jordan ? and he had met two of the hijackers.


Gee I wonder why he was a suspect you moron

Who the hell you calling a moron?

Your intelligence is lacking and you can continue to respond to my posts making a complete fool out of yourself.

Meeting with someone does not warrant being detained for several months. If he was white and his name was Glenn I am sure he would have been detained for several months as well, huh?

Go on Mr.Glenn respond with your BS post now.
If you feel this man is a threat go kill him. Otherwise stfu or continue to post and defend rednecks.

I think his response has to do with the fact that you trivialize an entire region of our country as stupid and incompetent.

I like people to think that, it keeps them out.
 

Jhhnn

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Meh. Redneck has become a universally applied term- they're everywhere in America, from Nome to Key West, probably Hawaii, too. It's attitudinal, rather than regional.

As for the rest of it, the guy was clearly prosecuted as a scapegoat, his treatment being abominable all the way around. What the authorities had wasn't enough actual "evidence" to mean anything. As usual, the raving rightwing thinks that suspicion is evidence, when it's not... The man was, indeed, fortunate that one person on the first jury actually saw that, the result of official fearmongering being what it was at the time...

And, uhh, muslims don't touch women who aren't their kin, unless they're married to them. It's not about women being inferior, but rather a sign of respect... In muslim cultures, the only women who would offer that a man could touch her outside of those circumstances would be a prostitute... clearly, the female interviewer hadn't really done her homework wrt muslims. Otherwise, the offer to shake hands never would have been made. Don't blame him for her faux pas...
 

tvarad

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"And, uhh, muslims don't touch women who aren't their kin, unless they're married to them. It's not about women being inferior, but rather a sign of respect... In muslim cultures, the only women who would offer that a man could touch her outside of those circumstances would be a prostitute clearly, the female interviewer hadn't really done her homework wrt muslims. Otherwise, the offer to shake hands never would have been made. Don't blame him for her faux pas..."

Only the misogynist muslim mind would pass off such discrimination against women as part of his religion. WTF is such a sick mind doing in the U.S? Anyway, it's good to know that one of the most liberal societies in the world is on to this game and is doing something about it. It's only a matter of time when the U.S. too says shape up or ship out.
 

fornax

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Originally posted by: tvarad
Only the misogynist muslim mind would pass off such discrimination against women as part of his religion. WTF is such a sick mind doing in the U.S? Anyway, it's good to know that one of the most liberal societies in the world is on to this game and is doing something about it. It's only a matter of time when the U.S. too says shape up or ship out.

The only sick mind in this discussion is yours. Seek professional help.
 

cumhail

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Originally posted by: tvarad
Only the misogynist muslim mind would pass off such discrimination against women as part of his religion. WTF is such a sick mind doing in the U.S? Anyway, it's good to know that one of the most liberal societies in the world is on to this game and is doing something about it. It's only a matter of time when the U.S. too says shape up or ship out.

Some practicing Orthodox Jews decline to shake hands with unmarried members of the opposite sex, in the same manner and with the same reasoning as some (not all nor even most) practicing Muslims do... Do you find them unfit for citizenship, as well? Will you label them savages and lambast them for having "misogynist jewish minds?"
 

Tom

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Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: Tom
So he was detained from September to December, not really such an outrageous length of time given the severity of the crime and the circumstantial evidence possibly linking him to it. The article also doesn't specifiy why the detention lasted that long, maybe it took a while to raise the bail money ?

Whoever wrote this article peppered it with dramatic sounding incidents that aren't of any real significance. For instance, there's nothing unusual about appearing before the grand jury in shackles.

The so-called five year legal "ordeal", did his defense lawyers ever ask for a continuance during that time ? Other than not knowing the final outcome, there wasn't a five year "ordeal", he was free to go about his life for the most part. If his friends and family shunned him, that's their problem, not the government's responsibility.

Another way to look at this is our system worked for this man, a non-citizen from a Middle Eastern country, after an extreme attack upon that system, even though this man was an acquaintance of the perpetrators.

It says he wasnt given access to his lawyer when he was flown to New York.


Before he was charged, or after ? and for how long ? What were the circumstances, was he offered access to a public defender, but turned it down in favor of his personal lawyer ?

The article implies he had no access to a lawyer until December, but I doubt that is true, this article seems quite biased to me, I don't trust it as a single source.