Man runs over family of ducklings with lawn mower

[mikeymikec]

Yeah, if this were a snake there wouldn't be too many people complaining and maybe that's not fair, but when you intentionally kill a bunch of cute fluffy critters with there mom present and a 7 year old kid watching you shouldn't be surprised that someone's going to make an issue of it.

I hate wasps with a passion yet I would be very wary of someone who took the time to dissect/torture one to death.

 

[bradley]

But the grass that cows eat doesn't contain any protein or fat. That's why you need cows to make a new cow .

Not only is animal flesh the world's most protein dense food, it's also more bioavailable to the human body than any other source. So pound-for-pound animal flesh has no nutritional peer.

Veganism only makes sense in a religious or philosophical way. Every other justification is provably and demonstrably wrong. You're not saving the planet by going vegan; you're merely substituting two equivalent outcomes and getting less in return.

 

[Brian Stirling]

Not only is animal flesh the world's most protein dense food, it's also more bioavailable to the human body than any other source. So pound-for-pound animal flesh has no nutritional peer.

Veganism only makes sense in a religious or philosophical way. Every other justification is provably and demonstrably wrong. You're not saving the planet by going vegan; you're merely substituting two equivalent outcomes and getting less in return.

Yes, animal flesh is much more protein dense and calorie dense than plant material but the animal flesh didn't come into being by itself. In order to produce a pound of flesh that animal need to eat dozens to hundreds of pounds of vegetation.

There was a thought experiment in which a space craft with a limited quantity of plants and chickens available for the crew to eat and you had to decide on how best to manage that available food supply. You could raise the chickens to produce more chickens but they would consume some of the plant material. It turned out the best strategy was to eat the chickens right off the bat so that they didn't consume plant material you would need down the road.

Still, I do love me a nice steak and a nicely prepared pork chop is delightful.


Brian

 

[lxskllr]

From my phone's fortune program today...

The abuse of greatness is when it disjoins remorse from power

 

[KoopaJim]

I don't mean to judge by appearances, but it's funny when people have more hair on their chin than their head.

 

[Perknose]

Not only is animal flesh the world's most protein dense food, it's also more bioavailable to the human body than any other source. So pound-for-pound animal flesh has no nutritional peer.

Veganism only makes sense in a religious or philosophical way. Every other justification is provably and demonstrably wrong. You're not saving the planet by going vegan; you're merely substituting two equivalent outcomes and getting less in return.

Two equivalent outcomes? Getting less in return? Animal flesh more "bioavailable"? Your "facts" are hysterically wrong. Please go educate yourself.

16 to 21 lbs. of grain and soy are needed to produce 1 lb. of beef. 6 to 8 lbs. of grain and soy are needed to produce 1 lb. of pork. 4 lbs. of grain and soy are needed to produce 1 lb. of turkey meat. 3 lbs. of grain and soy are needed to produce 1 lb. of chicken meat.

Merely combining rice and lentils gives you complete protein indistinguishable to the body from animal protein, at far less cost to the consumer or the environment, so I've got your "bioavailability" right here, chief.

Yeah, the environment:

1. Livestock manure mixed with nitrogen from artificial fertilizers produces harmful nitrates which pollute groundwater and cause nervous system impairments, cancer, and methemoglobinemia (“blue baby” syndrome).[xviii]

2. Cattle feedlots are a dangerous source of organic pollutants, accounting for more than half the toxic organic pollutants found in fresh water.[xix]

3. Livestock cause considerable amounts of soil compaction[xx] and erosion[xxi]; each pound of feedlot steak costs about 35 lbs. of eroded topsoil.[xxii]

4. The destruction of thousands of species of tropical plants, insects, birds, reptiles, and mammals through deforestation is to a great extent caused by the creation of livestock pasture land which in only a few years loses its fertility.[xxiii]

5. Livestock production contributes considerably to the depletion of soil fertility.

6. Livestock are a major cause of the depletion of fresh water aquifers[xxiv]; 3,000 liters of water are used to produce a single kilogram of American beef.[xxv]

7. Cattle play a prominent role in global desertification[xxvi] as a primary factor in all four causes of it: a) overgrazing, b) overcultivation of the land, c) deforestation, d) improper irrigation techniques.[xxvii]

8. The Bureau of Land Management has exterminated to near extinction mountain lions, bears, lynx, bobcats, and eagles in order to expand pastureland for livestock.

9. Livestock are a significant cause of damage to the narrow streambank habitats vital to arid-land ecology. These “riparian zones” are in the worst condition in history.[xxviii] This riparian zone damage has, for example, resulted in the depopulation of fresh water fish species.[xxix]

10. Livestock have degraded and drastically transformed plant ecosystems in the western U.S., causing depopulations of songbirds, elk, bighorn sheep, and pronghorn antelope.[xxx]

11. Livestock production consumes considerable amounts of nonrenewable energy; producing the red meat and poultry eaten each year by a typical American uses the equivalent of 190 liters of gasoline.[xxxi]

12. The grain-fed cattle complex is a significant factor in the emission of three of the four global “greenhouse” warming gases—methane, carbon dioxide, and nitrous oxides.[xxxii] Livestock account for 15 to 20 percent of global methane emissions.[xxxiii]

13. One-third of the value of all raw materials consumed for all purposes in the United States is consumed in feed for livestock.[xxxiv]

You ignoring the extreme direct and secondary costs of raising meat in comparing it to a vegetarian diet is just, well, ignorant. And I say this as an enthusiastic (but judicious) meat eater.

 

[PlanetJosh]

I'll google rice and lentils as an alternative to eating beef, chicken and other meats for daily protein. If that works I could really go for it. I tried not eating meat years ago without any reliable vegetable proteins. I got so lethargic it felt like I was getting sick so I went back to eating meat. I mean since the protein and vegetable subject is being discussed I though I'd mention it.

 

[lxskllr]

I used to be "vegetarian"(read almost zero meat, but may eat some every other month or so). Now, I eat more meat, but still much less than average. I doubt I eat a pound per week. I honestly never felt any different one way or the other. I prefer vegetarian food, but it's more time consuming to make. It's my first choice when the vegetarian menu is larger than "salad".

 

[Perknose]

I'll google rice and lentils as an alternative to eating beef, chicken and other meats for daily protein. If that works I could really go for it. I tried not eating meat years ago without any reliable vegetable proteins. I got so lethargic it felt like I was getting sick so I went back to eating meat. I mean since the protein and vegetable subject is being discussed I though I'd mention it.

The info is readily available, and incontrovertible. A quick search'll do ya:

The term "complete protein" refers to amino acids, the building blocks of protein. There are 20 different amino acids that can form a protein, and nine that the body can’t produce on its own. These are called essential amino acids—we need to eat them because we can’t make them ourselves. In order to be considered “complete,” a protein must contain all nine of these essential amino acids in roughly equal amounts.

Yes, meat and eggs are complete proteins, and beans and nuts aren’t. But humans don’t need every essential amino acid in every bite of food in every meal they eat; we only need a sufficient amount of each amino acid every day . Most dieticians believe that plant-based diets contain such a wide variety of amino acid profiles that vegans are virtually guaranteed to get all of their amino acids with very little effort .

7. Rice and Beans
Protein: 7 grams per 1 cup serving

One of the simplest, cheapest, and vegan-est meals in existence is also one of the best sources of protein around. Most beans are low in methionine and high in lysine, while rice is low in lysine and high in methionine. Put ‘em together, and whaddaya got? Protein content on par with that of meat. Subbing lentils or chickpeas for beans produces the same effect. These meals are a great way to load up on protein and carbohydrates after an intense workout.

Generally, proteins derived from animal foods (meats, fish, poultry, milk, eggs) are complete.[1] Proteins derived from plant foods (legumes, seeds, grains, and vegetables) are often complete as well (examples include chickpeas,[11] black beans,[12] pumpkin seeds,[13] cashews,[14] cauliflower,[15] quinoa,[16] pistachios,[17] turnip greens,[18] black-eyed peas,[19] and soy[20]). Some plant foods tend to have less of one or more essential amino acid.[8] Some are notably low, such as corn protein, which is low in lysine and isoleucine.[21]

Certain traditional dishes, such as Mexican corn and beans, Japanese soybeans and rice, and Cajun red beans and rice, combine grains with legumes to provide a meal that is high in all essential amino acids.[22][23]

Foods that also obtain the highest possible Protein Digestibility Corrected Amino Acid Score (PDCAAS) score of 1.0 are certain dairy products (including whey), egg whites, and soy protein isolate.[citation needed] Other foods, such as amaranth, buckwheat, hempseed, meat, poultry, Salvia hispanica, soybeans, quinoa, seafood, seaweed, and spirulina also are complete protein foods, but may not obtain a PDCAAS score of 1.0.[1][24]

Yet another benefit, on both the individual and the macro level, is a diet that treats meat as yet another secondary ingredient, as opposed to the "huge slab" main course, helps prevent cardiovascular disease, the treatment of which costs our society in the hundreds of billions each year.

 

[bradley]

Yes, animal flesh is much more protein dense and calorie dense than plant material but the animal flesh didn't come into being by itself. In order to produce a pound of flesh that animal need to eat dozens to hundreds of pounds of vegetation.
Brian

Yes, however animals stomachs are made for natural grazing and efficiency. Chickens have two distinct stomach compartments, cows' have a four-chambered stomach (which is essentially four separate stomachs.)

So they are going to be able to extract more protein and nutrients from plant matter than a human's stomach. They eat naturally growing *course* *rough* plant matter (chickens also eat worms, insects and mice) that very few humans could or would touch.

Humans are also extremely wasteful creatures. Unlike humans, nothing goes to waste with cows who even chew their own cud.

But again, that's the difference between something occurring for thousands of years, such as free range animals eating off of the land's fat vs. the recent addition of factory farms that humans have come to accept and even embrace...... Why? Because we live in an entitlement society requiring cheap available food at any cost to our health or the health of the planet and other creatures.

 

[EliteRetard]

For a second there I thought I went in the wrong thread. Nope, this is the duck one..it's just somehow turned into carnivore vs vegetarian.

 

[Brian Stirling]

Yes, however animals stomachs are made for natural grazing and efficiency. Chickens have two distinct stomach compartments, cows' have a four-chambered stomach (which is essentially four separate stomachs.)

So they are going to be able to extract more protein and nutrients from plant matter than a human's stomach. They eat naturally growing *course* *rough* plant matter (chickens also eat worms, insects and mice) that very few humans could or would touch.

Humans are also extremely wasteful creatures. Unlike humans, nothing goes to waste with cows who even chew their own cud.

But again, that's the difference between something occurring for thousands of years, such as free range animals eating off of the land's fat vs. the recent addition of factory farms that humans have come to accept and even embrace...... Why? Because we live in an entitlement society requiring cheap available food at any cost to our health or the health of the planet and other creatures.

Please refer to Perknose's posts -- pretty much takes the hammer to your clueless view...


Brian

 

[bradley]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS_jxZTQ5Cg

 

[Brian Stirling]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dS_jxZTQ5Cg

My first thought when I started watching this was he's a sick fucker. However, after watching through the end it's clear these were rats that were infesting a barn or similar place that's likely near his home. Appears a fairly human way to deal with that undeniable threat.

Now, there are other videos with sick fucks plinking prairie dogs. They may defend that practice by claiming they're protecting there cattle from the dogs holes but that claim is largely unjustified.

Not sure, however, what motivated you to post...


Brian

 

[feralkid]

For a second there I thought I went in the wrong thread. Nope, this is the duck one..it's just somehow turned into carnivore vs vegetarian.

Same here!

Where am I?

 

[StinkyPinky]

My father used to tell me stories that on his uncle's farm they would drown kittens in the local river because they were a pest (he was a kid). He always deeply regretted doing it, makes me wonder what the hell my great uncle was like as a person. Jesus. I get you sometimes need to cull things but drowning cats tied up in a bag doesn't seem a good way to go about it.

 

[EliteRetard]

Same here!

Where am I?

It's OK, I posted a video about duck penis.

 

[shortylickens]

It's OK, I posted a video about duck penis.

Werepossum has some interesting theories on alligator penis.

 

[EliteRetard]

Did you see the video? Ducks have an explosive razor penis.
Alligators aint got nothing on that.

 

[soulcougher73]

death penalty

This. There is no rehabilitation for some people.

 

[Crono]

I'll google rice and lentils as an alternative to eating beef, chicken and other meats for daily protein. If that works I could really go for it. I tried not eating meat years ago without any reliable vegetable proteins. I got so lethargic it felt like I was getting sick so I went back to eating meat. I mean since the protein and vegetable subject is being discussed I though I'd mention it.

I've been a vegan 2 and 1/2 years now, and did a lot of reading on the subject. I haven't lost any muscle mass (not that I was a bodybuilder or did a lot of weight lifting, but I did/do have a normal amount of muscle), but I did drop 20 lbs without any other effort. It's not just rice and lentils, there are a lot of complementary foods that will do the same thing, and there are a few complete protein foods (soy, quinoa, seitan, and buckwheat are, to name a few) from non-animal sources that are equally good protein sources, if not quite as high in "protein quality" as, say, egg. I like soy in tofu or tempeh form, and buckwheat in Japanese noodles like udon and soba.

The idea of "complete" proteins is often misunderstood or misapplied, too. A complete protein food has amino acids in a 1:1:1... ratio, but that doesn't mean your body can't build muscle from even just a single source of incomplete protein, it's just slightly less efficient at doing so, meaning you need to eat a little to a lot more, depending on the amino acid(s) it is deficient in. Some people seem to think an incomplete protein food won't enable you to build muscle at all, which is simply not the case.

The lethargy comes from being your body being accustomed to eat meat, especially if you eat a lot of processed foods. Any large dietary change, even a positive one, takes about a month to get used to and your energy level will actually be higher after that (if I went in the opposite direction and started eating meat, I'm sure I'd feel lethargic for a while, and my energy level would probably be lower than it is now even after that). You just have to stick with it.

I'm not opposed to people eating meat, and I'm a vegan primarily for health reasons (read The China Study or watch any of the documentaries on Netflix like Vegucated) and for self-discipline, but I'm also partly a vegan for ethical reasons because factory farmed animals isn't just about the animals, it also takes about the toll it takes on the workers who process food, and on the environment.

The level of meat, fish, and dairy consumption is excessive in modern Western society (and now increasingly globally) is unsustainable - just look at the well-documented issues regarding water consumption and methane gas production of livestock, or how overfishing is devastating fish stocks - but it's really up to individuals to educate themselves and make the decision for themselves as consumers. The level of meat and dairy we consume in the United States isn't just a natural level of what people eat, it's in large part due to marketing, lobbying, and designing food to be addictive (this Cracked podcast episode explains it better than I can, and it's not conspiracy type stuff, it's all public record/knowledge that this is going on).

If anyone is interested in becoming a vegan - or in just maybe eating more fruits and vegetables and less meat - I highly recommend checking out #whatveganseat on Instagram. So many people thing being vegan means heavily restricting yourself by eating a lot of salad or otherwise by cheating on the diet, but that's not the case. It's worth checking out if you love food.

 

[master_shake_]

if man wasn't supposed to eat meat, why the fuck are cows so delicious?

 

[lxskllr]

if man wasn't supposed to eat meat, why the fuck are cows so delicious?

Satan put them here to tempt you.

 

[master_shake_]

Satan put them here to tempt you.

he has done well.

 

[Nograts]

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