Man Loses Jaw Bone to Cancer...Doctors Grow New One On His Back...He Chews Again...

[Piano Man]

Crazy

 

[mrCide]

w.. t.. f..

 

[Darkhawk28]

Too bad this country has its collective head up its arse about stem cell research.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Too bad this country has its collective head up its arse about stem cell research.

C-SPAN was showing the Republican Party Platform Committee meeting on my lunchbreak. Just as I was leaving to head back to work they started discussing stem-cell research. Wish I could have heard that portion.

 

[Piano Man]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Too bad this country has its collective head up its arse about stem cell research.

Although I agree with you, its not clear whether blank slate stem cells created the bone.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Piano Man

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Too bad this country has its collective head up its arse about stem cell research.

Although I agree with you, its not clear whether blank slate stem cells created the bone.

ABC radio news must not have been complete then, as I read your link now. But still, wow, very amazing procedure.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Too bad this country has its collective head up its arse about stem cell research.

This isn't the area of stem cells that is being debated.

The information was used to create a thin titanium micro-mesh cage. Several cow-derived pure bone mineral blocks the size of sugar lumps where then put inside the structure, along with a human growth factor that builds bone and a large squirt of blood extracted from the man's bone marrow, which contains stem cells.

Adult stem cells, which were used in this procedure, are fine to use by anyone's standard. Embryonic stem cells, which are those that are controversial, have not been shown to successfully treat any malady or be instrumental in tissue engineering. In fact, most often they grow into clumps of many different types of tissue (hair, teeth, bones, and skin) when implanted into brain tumors or other 'trouble spots' for experimentation.

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: Darkhawk28
Too bad this country has its collective head up its arse about stem cell research.

This isn't the area of stem cells that is being debated.

The information was used to create a thin titanium micro-mesh cage. Several cow-derived pure bone mineral blocks the size of sugar lumps where then put inside the structure, along with a human growth factor that builds bone and a large squirt of blood extracted from the man's bone marrow, which contains stem cells.

Adult stem cells, which were used in this procedure, are fine to use by anyone's standard. Embryonic stem cells, which are those that are controversial, have not been shown to successfully treat any malady or be instrumental in tissue engineering. In fact, most often they grow into clumps of many different types of tissue (hair, teeth, bones, and skin) when implanted into brain tumors or other 'trouble spots' for experimentation.

Madame Bush has denounced stem cell research as being science fiction and not realistic (at least not in our lifetimes that is). Not just embryonic, but the whole thing. But it seems you have some working knowledge about the nature of the research, which makes you 100x more educated about stem cell research than 99% of the nation's population, which incidently is the reason most people think of stem cell research as "baby killing".

 

[maluckey]

Embryonic stem cells don't work on many medical issues, wheras adult stem cells are already used to treat many problems. So why support the ones that haven't proven to be useful?

Adult stem cell information and sucessess.

Please note that embryonic stem cells, to-date, are not the miracle cure that they were thought to be.

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: maluckey
Embryonic stem cells don't work on many medical issues, wheras adult stem cells are already used to treat many problems. So why support the ones that haven't proven to be useful?

Adult stem cell information and sucessess.

Please note that embryonic stem cells, to-date, are not the miracle cure that they were thought to be.

Its called research, buddy. Adult Stem cells were never used to sucessfully treat any medical problems until research was conducted to determine there usefullnes. Fusion has never been used to successfully maintain a sustained power reaction. Should we stop research there too?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: maluckey
Embryonic stem cells don't work on many medical issues, wheras adult stem cells are already used to treat many problems. So why support the ones that haven't proven to be useful?

Adult stem cell information and sucessess.

Please note that embryonic stem cells, to-date, are not the miracle cure that they were thought to be.

Actually you and your sources are mistaken. Yes, indeed there have been successes with adult stem cells but few impartial observers believe adult stem cells have the POTENTIAL of embryonic stem cells.

Perinatal stem cells (from cord blood) have been used to treat Hurler's disease and has been tried on several other metabolic disorders. More failures than successes . . . but that's true of most medicine in the developmental phase.

What laypeople tend to conflate is the POTENTIAL of this technology versus what's already within our grasp. Adult stem cells have limited potential but are DEFINITELY useful . . . although not nearly as useful as anti-embryonic stem cell zealots would have you believe. Cord blood stem cells have more potential than adult stem cells but there's much to be learned to fully exploit them. Embryonic stem cells are likely the motherlode but it will be DECADES before we can master their use.

good explanation of stem cell research without the huffing or puffing

You cannot desert every technologic or pharmacologic intervention that didn't work the first few . . . hundred times or so. We've done a masterful job of curing cancer, diabetes, and various other maladies in mice, rat, and primate . . . models that is. Yet many if not most fail to survive clinical trials.

 

[ReiAyanami]

the guy can eat thanks to his own stem cells... and he chooses a bratwurst sandwich... those crazy germans

 

[maluckey]

BaliBabyDoc

Good unbiased info showing that adult stem cells have more promise than thought..

For every site pro-embryonic stem cell research, I find two others that state it may not be needed at all. Most of the stem cell sites are in agreement that adult stem cell research is in it's infancy. Why distract yourself and your resources running to something else before the promise of what you have is fully explored. An intense, methodical, and thorough approach to adult stem cells should be pursued, so long as embryonic stem cell research is frowned upon.

tss4

In reality, fusion has been proven to work. You are alive because of it. It is only a theory that embryonic stem cells can even do what they hope. I'm not against research. Neither was Mengele, but does the need to know outweigh the humanity lost? I'm not talking about the cells, but the slope after that which has not been addressed. It's like a non-swimmer standing on a diving board that is covered in ice. He is going on about how warm his feet will feel with his newly discovered wonder socks, and that the icy diving board is a wonderful test platform for his theory.......Perhaps he should first address the water below?

 

[Drift3r]

LoL - Does that mean that you could grow a 18 inch penis on your back and remove your old one and re-attach the new and bigger one ?

 

[maluckey]

Now if I was single, that would be some real research that I could support!!!!!!

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: maluckey
BaliBabyDoc<BR><BR><a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https:/http://www.gene-watch.org/educ...ell_myths.pdf">Good unbiased info showing that adult stem cells have more promise than thought..</a><BR><BR>For every site pro-embryonic stem cell research, I find two others that state it may not be needed at all. Most of the stem cell sites are in agreement that adult stem cell research is in it's infancy. Why distract yourself and your resources running to something else before the promise of what you have is fully explored. An intense, methodical, and thorough approach to adult stem cells should be pursued, so long as embryonic stem cell research is frowned upon.<BR><BR>tss4<BR> <BR>In reality, fusion has been proven to work. You are alive because of it. It is only a theory that embryonic stem cells can even do what they hope. I'm not against research. Neither was Mengele, but does the need to know outweigh the humanity lost? I'm not talking about the cells, but the slope after that which has not been addressed. It's like a non-swimmer standing on a diving board that is covered in ice. He is going on about how warm his feet will feel with his newly discovered wonder socks, and that the icy diving board is a wonderful test platform for his theory.......Perhaps he should first address the water below?

Fusion has not succesfully been demonstrated by man in a sustained self sustaining cycle. If you want to point to the sun as proof of the miracle of fusion then I will point to the fact that you live as proof to the miracle of embryonic stem cells. But we know till we do research.

As for the slippery slope arguement. Why wouldn't you apply that to fusion as well? How is it any different. Fusion has the potential to unleash enough energy to destroy the planet? We do research to make progress and we evaluate and responsibly use the results of them. If knowledge is so scary why don't we start burning books as well?

 

[Zephyr106]

Originally posted by: tss4
<blockquote>quote:
<hr><i>Originally posted by: <b>maluckey</b></i>
BaliBabyDoc<BR><BR><a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="https:/<a target=_blank class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.gene-watch.org/educ...pdf">Good</a> unbiased info showing that adult stem cells have more promise than thought..</a><BR><BR>For every site pro-embryonic stem cell research, I find two others that state it may not be needed at all. Most of the stem cell sites are in agreement that adult stem cell research is in it's infancy. Why distract yourself and your resources running to something else before the promise of what you have is fully explored. An intense, methodical, and thorough approach to adult stem cells should be pursued, so long as embryonic stem cell research is frowned upon.<BR><BR>tss4<BR> <BR>In reality, fusion has been proven to work. You are alive because of it. It is only a theory that embryonic stem cells can even do what they hope. I'm not against research. Neither was Mengele, but does the need to know outweigh the humanity lost? I'm not talking about the cells, but the slope after that which has not been addressed. It's like a non-swimmer standing on a diving board that is covered in ice. He is going on about how warm his feet will feel with his newly discovered wonder socks, and that the icy diving board is a wonderful test platform for his theory.......Perhaps he should first address the water below?<hr></blockquote>

Fusion has not succesfully been demonstrated by man in a sustained self sustaining cycle. If you want to point to the sun as proof of the miracle of fusion then I will point to the fact that you live as proof to the miracle of embryonic stem cells. But we know till we do research.

As for the slippery slope arguement. Why wouldn't you apply that to fusion as well? How is it any different. Fusion has the potential to unleash enough energy to destroy the planet? We do research to make progress and we evaluate and responsibly use the results of them. If knowledge is so scary why don't we start burning books as well?

The slippery slope goes the other way in this case. We already have fusion to destroy the planet, they're called nuclear warheads.

Everyone was eager to make those fine and dandy miracles of science, but going down the Satanic slippery slope to make controlled fusion power is verboten.

Zephyr

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: tss4
Fusion has not succesfully been demonstrated by man in a sustained self sustaining cycle. If you want to point to the sun as proof of the miracle of fusion then I will point to the fact that you live as proof to the miracle of embryonic stem cells. But we know till we do research.

As for the slippery slope arguement. Why wouldn't you apply that to fusion as well? How is it any different. Fusion has the potential to unleash enough energy to destroy the planet? We do research to make progress and we evaluate and responsibly use the results of them. If knowledge is so scary why don't we start burning books as well?

And fusion doesn't require the consumption of human embryos to procede with research.

 

[classy]

I kinda like the way they used the technology. It presents many good possibilties used correctly.

 

[maluckey]

tss4

Fusion has not succesfully been demonstrated by man in a sustained self sustaining cycle. If you want to point to the sun as proof of the miracle of fusion then I will point to the fact that you live as proof to the miracle of embryonic stem cells. But we know till we do research.

Apparently you must know something our mathematicians and physicists do not. Mathematics has proved that Nuclear Fusion is real and viable as a power source. The issue is human failures such as $$$ and the little thing called uncertainty. If an earthquake destroys a Laser Fusion Reactor, what happens to our environment?

Perhaps you meant Cold Fusion?


Zephyr106,

Yes, everyone was happy to end WW II with an unconditional surrender from the Japanese. It also won the Cold War, and made the first Gulf War such a success. Other nations were already on the path to nuclear fission for weapons. The United States was first to deploy a working model to the field. Had the Russians or Japanes done so first, it would have been a very different scenario for the world. If it was Japan first, The United States would have been nuked, and China would have been nuked into oblivion. If it was Russia, we know that Erope would have been under Joe Stalins idea of Eden.

The stem cell debate is not comparable to these issues. We can survive as a nation without any access to fetus cells. In fact, The United States became the worlds sole superpower without the kind of experiments favored by Joseph Mengele, Go figure?