man...jsut had a big fight over my step-dad and our business....

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Every other boss I've ever had gives me a task list, but he refuses to do so, yet he says since I am his son I am a special case and will try to help me.


I ask him what we are going to need tomorow, he says "i'll let you know."

I ask him what tools I need to have ready, he naswers the same.


I am knew at starting my own business, but am not new to responsibility. As it turns ot depression has been why I have never had a steady job. I would always be a stellar performer but would always miss aday or two, and get fired on the spot due to company policies. we are talkign about sometimes 3months of excellent performance and then I'd have a "bad" day and get fired.:(

It's like having a gun in my face is no biggie, or workign for a 85000 employee company or practically running a company on my back ( i had to do that for a mismanaged co. I worked this past year for ...it was awful) is nothing until i have a bad day. Now I seem to have remedied that but have no credibility with anyone. They all see me as someone who cannot get up on time and don't care how great of a worker or how smart I am.


Like I said, I knew what responsibility was, and since I have been taking meds, keeping my myself moderate and rather upbeat hasn't been the challenge it once was....the debacle really.

Anyways, I finally capitulated and said, look, you are confusing me to no end. You tell me that you want me to help you, but you will not let me know basic things, such as what tools I need to have ready for you or what we are even goign to be doing tomorow.

I finally said, look, I will jsut depend on my own then, writing down everything I hear you say, but find it sad that we couldn't have done this together where you could give me more intel, and he blew up in my face for demanding that of him.


Hoenstly, I am a wreck right now. I am really working hard for him, in an industry that I am not even good at, because I know how to manage info, how to deal with people, how to get thigns done, but he is frustrating me to no end.

Yeah I will have a notebook and right thigns down by myself tomorow and figure out who our clients are and everything, but I thought this was going to be a team effort. I am jsut so dissapointeed that he doesn't get that. I am just so dissapointed that he wants my help in such an ad hoc fashion.....when it could be so much more

Hell, I was going to manage the data, and he refuses to give me any of it.

It's jsut.....urgh.....I'm sure we will get through with it but it is jsut so demeaning, to be spoken at like you are a child, nothign really, and have them turn around and say that they are trying to help.

Hell, we bought quickbooks, and now is forcing me to return it because we aren't going anywhere with it.....probably because he won't give me any input to add to the database...


:shurg;


c'est la vie, et quel vie c'est....


<---a wreck....
 

DVK916

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Father and son businesses are doomed from the start. Get out while you still can.
 

olds

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Do you have your own truck or do you ride shotgun with daddy?
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: DVK916
Father and son businesses are doomed from the start. Get out while you still can.

dude...it takes a fvking tank to derail me when depression hasn't already.....I remember soccer tryouts sophmroe year of highschool...I was on the lap of the last part of the tryouts....


I couldn't feel my legs or the rest of my body due to the winds and the sleet that was cutting into my body, but I kept on running.

I will get through this. We will be great.


It is jsut so stressful on my heart
 

olds

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Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Do you have your own truck or do you ride shotgun with daddy?

shotgun...sometimes my car when I have to go to school

Well then, that would preclude you from taking all your tools.
 

shimsham

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Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Every other boss I've ever had gives me a task list, but he refuses to do so, yet he says since I am his son I am a special case and will try to help me.


I ask him what we are going to need tomorow, he says "i'll let you know."

I ask him what tools I need to have ready, he naswers the same.


I am knew at starting my own business, but am not new to responsibility. As it turns ot depression has been why I have never had a steady job. I would always be a stellar performer but would always miss aday or two, and get fired on the spot due to company policies. we are talkign about sometimes 3months of excellent performance and then I'd have a "bad" day and get fired.:(

It's like having a gun in my face is no biggie, or workign for a 85000 employee company or practically running a company on my back ( i had to do that for a mismanaged co. I worked this past year for ...it was awful) is nothing until i have a bad day. Now I seem to have remedied that but have no credibility with anyone. They all see me as someone who cannot get up on time and don't care how great of a worker or how smart I am.


Like I said, I knew what responsibility was, and since I have been taking meds, keeping my myself moderate and rather upbeat hasn't been the challenge it once was....the debacle really.

Anyways, I finally capitulated and said, look, you are confusing me to no end. You tell me that you want me to help you, but you will not let me know basic things, such as what tools I need to have ready for you or what we are even goign to be doing tomorow.

I finally said, look, I will jsut depend on my own then, writing down everything I hear you say, but find it sad that we couldn't have done this together where you could give me more intel, and he blew up in my face for demanding that of him.


Hoenstly, I am a wreck right now. I am really working hard for him, in an industry that I am not even good at, because I know how to manage info, how to deal with people, how to get thigns done, but he is frustrating me to no end.

Yeah I will have a notebook and right thigns down by myself tomorow and figure out who our clients are and everything, but I thought this was going to be a team effort. I am jsut so dissapointeed that he doesn't get that. I am just so dissapointed that he wants my help in such an ad hoc fashion.....when it could be so much more

Hell, I was going to manage the data, and he refuses to give me any of it.

It's jsut.....urgh.....I'm sure we will get through with it but it is jsut so demeaning, to be spoken at like you are a child, nothign really, and have them turn around and say that they are trying to help.

Hell, we bought quickbooks, and now is forcing me to return it because we aren't going anywhere with it.....probably because he won't give me any input to add to the database...


:shurg;


c'est la vie, et quel vie c'est....


<---a wreck....

bolded the problems.

so dad is letting you in on the family business. its going to take time for him to get you up to speed. roll with the punches, and let him go at his own pace. im sure if it meant the end of the world, he wouldve given you a task list. maybe he just wants to see what youre made of instead of holding your hand, given your own admitted past performance.

beside, hes your dad and your his kid. when it comes to situations like this, i imagine he will always talk to you like his child. you want to be respected as an adult, you act like one.
 

DaveSimmons

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Sounds like he is not organized on his own and is used to just winging it.

Forcing him to explain himself and think through his actions in advance may just be against his nature. If you want to make this work you may need to resign yourself to following him around and learning the work by watching him.

He may also not be prepared to change how he does things, so is resisting QuickBooks just because it means learning new ways to do things. He might even be afraid he can't learn to work with it.
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: Sheepathon
Now what are you NOT telling us? ;)

that's it.

it's really simple.


I am jsut tryign to build an infrustructure, a database of all our clients, out inventory, so I know what we have, or at the bare minimum know what we need the next workign day, and that pisses him off.

He keeps telling me that there is a process....and I keep tellign him that I understand that but that I am flying blind on one hand, and he says he will treat me "special" and explai nthigns on the other, whic he does, like how to do stuff...fixing equipment etc.


The whole point is that he is treating me like two different people and it is incredibly frustrating because one hand a lot is expected of you, and on the other a lot is expected of him, and he gets pissed off when I ask him for info.


He is a great person mind you, it's jsut that he has always worked under someone else, and somehow I think hos nervousness at this new frontier is getting the best of him.



 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: shimsham
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Every other boss I've ever had gives me a task list, but he refuses to do so, yet he says since I am his son I am a special case and will try to help me.


I ask him what we are going to need tomorow, he says "i'll let you know."

I ask him what tools I need to have ready, he naswers the same.


I am knew at starting my own business, but am not new to responsibility. As it turns ot depression has been why I have never had a steady job. I would always be a stellar performer but would always miss aday or two, and get fired on the spot due to company policies. we are talkign about sometimes 3months of excellent performance and then I'd have a "bad" day and get fired.:(

It's like having a gun in my face is no biggie, or workign for a 85000 employee company or practically running a company on my back ( i had to do that for a mismanaged co. I worked this past year for ...it was awful) is nothing until i have a bad day. Now I seem to have remedied that but have no credibility with anyone. They all see me as someone who cannot get up on time and don't care how great of a worker or how smart I am.


Like I said, I knew what responsibility was, and since I have been taking meds, keeping my myself moderate and rather upbeat hasn't been the challenge it once was....the debacle really.

Anyways, I finally capitulated and said, look, you are confusing me to no end. You tell me that you want me to help you, but you will not let me know basic things, such as what tools I need to have ready for you or what we are even goign to be doing tomorow.

I finally said, look, I will jsut depend on my own then, writing down everything I hear you say, but find it sad that we couldn't have done this together where you could give me more intel, and he blew up in my face for demanding that of him.


Hoenstly, I am a wreck right now. I am really working hard for him, in an industry that I am not even good at, because I know how to manage info, how to deal with people, how to get thigns done, but he is frustrating me to no end.

Yeah I will have a notebook and right thigns down by myself tomorow and figure out who our clients are and everything, but I thought this was going to be a team effort. I am jsut so dissapointeed that he doesn't get that. I am just so dissapointed that he wants my help in such an ad hoc fashion.....when it could be so much more

Hell, I was going to manage the data, and he refuses to give me any of it.

It's jsut.....urgh.....I'm sure we will get through with it but it is jsut so demeaning, to be spoken at like you are a child, nothign really, and have them turn around and say that they are trying to help.

Hell, we bought quickbooks, and now is forcing me to return it because we aren't going anywhere with it.....probably because he won't give me any input to add to the database...


:shurg;


c'est la vie, et quel vie c'est....


<---a wreck....

bolded the problems.

so dad is letting you in on the family business. its going to take time for him to get you up to speed. roll with the punches, and let him go at his own pace. im sure if it meant the end of the world, he wouldve given you a task list. maybe he just wants to see what youre made of instead of holding your hand, given your own admitted past performance.

exactly. that I understood from day one, but he was so confusing in that he kept on sayign that he would hold my hand on one hand, and that he wouldn't on the other. the work is pretty brutal sometimes so I didn't have time to express it until it blew up in our faces
 

shimsham

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Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: shimsham
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Every other boss I've ever had gives me a task list, but he refuses to do so, yet he says since I am his son I am a special case and will try to help me.


I ask him what we are going to need tomorow, he says "i'll let you know."

I ask him what tools I need to have ready, he naswers the same.


I am knew at starting my own business, but am not new to responsibility. As it turns ot depression has been why I have never had a steady job. I would always be a stellar performer but would always miss aday or two, and get fired on the spot due to company policies. we are talkign about sometimes 3months of excellent performance and then I'd have a "bad" day and get fired.:(

It's like having a gun in my face is no biggie, or workign for a 85000 employee company or practically running a company on my back ( i had to do that for a mismanaged co. I worked this past year for ...it was awful) is nothing until i have a bad day. Now I seem to have remedied that but have no credibility with anyone. They all see me as someone who cannot get up on time and don't care how great of a worker or how smart I am.


Like I said, I knew what responsibility was, and since I have been taking meds, keeping my myself moderate and rather upbeat hasn't been the challenge it once was....the debacle really.

Anyways, I finally capitulated and said, look, you are confusing me to no end. You tell me that you want me to help you, but you will not let me know basic things, such as what tools I need to have ready for you or what we are even goign to be doing tomorow.

I finally said, look, I will jsut depend on my own then, writing down everything I hear you say, but find it sad that we couldn't have done this together where you could give me more intel, and he blew up in my face for demanding that of him.


Hoenstly, I am a wreck right now. I am really working hard for him, in an industry that I am not even good at, because I know how to manage info, how to deal with people, how to get thigns done, but he is frustrating me to no end.

Yeah I will have a notebook and right thigns down by myself tomorow and figure out who our clients are and everything, but I thought this was going to be a team effort. I am jsut so dissapointeed that he doesn't get that. I am just so dissapointed that he wants my help in such an ad hoc fashion.....when it could be so much more

Hell, I was going to manage the data, and he refuses to give me any of it.

It's jsut.....urgh.....I'm sure we will get through with it but it is jsut so demeaning, to be spoken at like you are a child, nothign really, and have them turn around and say that they are trying to help.

Hell, we bought quickbooks, and now is forcing me to return it because we aren't going anywhere with it.....probably because he won't give me any input to add to the database...


:shurg;


c'est la vie, et quel vie c'est....


<---a wreck....

bolded the problems.

so dad is letting you in on the family business. its going to take time for him to get you up to speed. roll with the punches, and let him go at his own pace. im sure if it meant the end of the world, he wouldve given you a task list. maybe he just wants to see what youre made of instead of holding your hand, given your own admitted past performance.

exactly. that I understood from day one, but he was so confusing in that he kept on sayign that he would hold my hand on one hand, and that he wouldn't on the other. the work is pretty brutal sometimes so I didn't have time to express it until it blew up in our faces



he wants you to grow up, but still have the "advantage" of being his son, is what it sounds like to me. hes walking the tightrope just like you are. cut him some slack.
 

Goosemaster

Lifer
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Originally posted by: shimsham
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Originally posted by: shimsham
Originally posted by: Goosemaster
Every other boss I've ever had gives me a task list, but he refuses to do so, yet he says since I am his son I am a special case and will try to help me.


I ask him what we are going to need tomorow, he says "i'll let you know."

I ask him what tools I need to have ready, he naswers the same.


I am knew at starting my own business, but am not new to responsibility. As it turns ot depression has been why I have never had a steady job. I would always be a stellar performer but would always miss aday or two, and get fired on the spot due to company policies. we are talkign about sometimes 3months of excellent performance and then I'd have a "bad" day and get fired.:(

It's like having a gun in my face is no biggie, or workign for a 85000 employee company or practically running a company on my back ( i had to do that for a mismanaged co. I worked this past year for ...it was awful) is nothing until i have a bad day. Now I seem to have remedied that but have no credibility with anyone. They all see me as someone who cannot get up on time and don't care how great of a worker or how smart I am.


Like I said, I knew what responsibility was, and since I have been taking meds, keeping my myself moderate and rather upbeat hasn't been the challenge it once was....the debacle really.

Anyways, I finally capitulated and said, look, you are confusing me to no end. You tell me that you want me to help you, but you will not let me know basic things, such as what tools I need to have ready for you or what we are even goign to be doing tomorow.

I finally said, look, I will jsut depend on my own then, writing down everything I hear you say, but find it sad that we couldn't have done this together where you could give me more intel, and he blew up in my face for demanding that of him.


Hoenstly, I am a wreck right now. I am really working hard for him, in an industry that I am not even good at, because I know how to manage info, how to deal with people, how to get thigns done, but he is frustrating me to no end.

Yeah I will have a notebook and right thigns down by myself tomorow and figure out who our clients are and everything, but I thought this was going to be a team effort. I am jsut so dissapointeed that he doesn't get that. I am just so dissapointed that he wants my help in such an ad hoc fashion.....when it could be so much more

Hell, I was going to manage the data, and he refuses to give me any of it.

It's jsut.....urgh.....I'm sure we will get through with it but it is jsut so demeaning, to be spoken at like you are a child, nothign really, and have them turn around and say that they are trying to help.

Hell, we bought quickbooks, and now is forcing me to return it because we aren't going anywhere with it.....probably because he won't give me any input to add to the database...


:shurg;


c'est la vie, et quel vie c'est....


<---a wreck....

bolded the problems.

so dad is letting you in on the family business. its going to take time for him to get you up to speed. roll with the punches, and let him go at his own pace. im sure if it meant the end of the world, he wouldve given you a task list. maybe he just wants to see what youre made of instead of holding your hand, given your own admitted past performance.

exactly. that I understood from day one, but he was so confusing in that he kept on sayign that he would hold my hand on one hand, and that he wouldn't on the other. the work is pretty brutal sometimes so I didn't have time to express it until it blew up in our faces



he wants you to grow up, but still have the "advantage" of being his son, is what it sounds like to me. hes walking the tightrope just like you are. cut him some slack.

I am. I am trying to tell him to back off a little and it is not getting thorugh.


He just came back downstairs and tried to reconcile our differences and tild him that when he goes to bed tonight he should think about how frustrating it is for me, to be treated a s both son and laborer, where my input is both encouraged and truck down repeatedly.

I told him I was jsut going to fend for myself wit ha notebook and he said that 75% of the stuff we are goign to do can't be written down, and if I was goign to stop to write stuff down in the midle of what I was doing (of course not)


I have a horrible headache, and am tryign my best to do the impossible which is help him develop his business whole being some drone-like laborer and he is making it really difficult.

Everythign I say is critued to no end..
 

dirtboy

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Originally posted by: DVK916
Father and son businesses are doomed from the start. Get out while you still can.

My dad and I have been in business for over 4 years together and it's been great. Definately not the first time we've run a business together and I'd gladly have him by my side any day. :)
 

shimsham

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thats just the dynamics of father and son. hell, two men in your situation really. dont take it so literal and hard, and youll do fine.
 

Goosemaster

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Originally posted by: dirtboy
Originally posted by: DVK916
Father and son businesses are doomed from the start. Get out while you still can.

My dad and I have been in business for over 4 years together and it's been great. Definately not the first time we've run a business together and I'd gladly have him by my side any day. :)


Exactly.

Originally posted by: shimsham
thats just the dynamics of father and son. hell, two men in your situation really. dont take it so literal and hard, and youll do fine.

aye.
 

markgm

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You vaguely remind me of a guy I work with, but I don't think you're posting from down the hall...
 

SagaLore

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It sounds like your problems with employment may be directly related to your observation of your dad during your childhood. Might not be the same issues, but they manifest differently based on perception.

You say that you are a "stellar performer" for 3 months then have a bad day and get fired. Maybe to your employer, those 3 months aren't "stellar"? Maybe you need to reevalute yourself and try to observe what kind of employee you are from a third person perspective. It could be that you're performance is far less than stellar, and the bad day is their excuse for getting rid of you. Or, you burn yourself out for 3 months (which is not a lot of time at all), which then results in the bad day.

I'm not judging you, I'm going on very little, I'm just offering what I think is worth considering - because you can't fix something if you don't know about it.
 

ATLien247

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I feel like you, Goosemaster... not getting enough data! :D

What kind of business? How long have you been at it? How long has your dad?