Man handcuffed, searched twice, shoots self in head

[MomentsofSanity]

I am having a hard time reconciling this one. This man is searched twice by police who found multiple drug related items on his person. He was then placed in the back of a police car, hands cuffed behind his back, and somehow managed to shoot himself in the right temple. He's left handed.

Could it happen? Sure it possibly could but as a former cop this just doesn't add up. Police state they have dash cam audio that supports their theory. Can't wait for that to come out as this is just strange.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/...-Head-And-Dies-In-Custody-In-Police-Squad-Car

 

[QuantumPion]

If he was handcuffed with hands behind his back he could still draw a pistol carried in the small of his back. It is conceivable that cops could miss a small gun concealed, cops are not perfect by any means. He could have then theoretically fire it straight up to hit himself in the head. Maybe he was trying to shoot the handcuff link to escape like MacGuyver or something.

 

[diesbudt]

I am having a hard time reconciling this one. This man is searched twice by police who found multiple drug related items on his person. He was then placed in the back of a police car, hands cuffed behind his back, and somehow managed to shoot himself in the right temple. He's left handed.

Could it happen? Sure it possibly could but as a former cop this just doesn't add up. Police state they have dash cam audio that supports their theory. Can't wait for that to come out as this is just strange.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/...-Head-And-Dies-In-Custody-In-Police-Squad-Car

A) News media can get many facts very wrong.
B) The left hand/right temple argument is pointless in this because it isnt that hard to shoot with an offhand, especially if that was the only hand able to hold/use a gun.

 

[halik]

gun up his bum

 

[alzan]

He's double-jointed? Or he could be ambidextrous, a well known side effect of smoking pot.

/sarcasm

Yeah just a little fishy. I've been handcuffed before and it's no easy task to get your hands from behind your back; not to mention freeing a gun that was hidden so well that it was missed in two separate searches. The audio recording may shed a little more light on what happened; not as much as interviewing the two officers would. Assuming they haven't gotten their story airtight already.

gun up his bum

Ow!

 

[monovillage]

Looks like another good reason to oppose gun control.

 

[classy]

Hmmmmmmmmmm......................Have to wait for more info on this

 

[Farang]

He's double-jointed? Or he could be ambidextrous, a well known side effect of smoking pot.

/sarcasm

Yeah just a little fishy. I've been handcuffed before and it's no easy task to get your hands from behind your back; not to mention freeing a gun that was hidden so well that it was missed in two separate searches. The audio recording may shed a little more light on what happened; not as much as interviewing the two officers would. Assuming they haven't gotten their story airtight already.



Ow!

I can only assume the story is not reported correctly and that he got his hands in front of him (not that hard to do while handcuffed). If his hands were indeed behind him, that is just impossible. Unless you're one of those people who trains to be super flexible.

 

[dank69]

Repoxy

Might have been in OT though... :hmm:

Either way, it's 12 internet years old.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

It's unfortunate there is not video from the car as well. There was a similar incident a couple of years ago where a guy was arrested after shooting and, I believe, killing a cop. Somehow in the heat of things he was not patted down and ended up killing himself with a pistol while sitting in an interrogation room. The PD released video to refute allegations by civil rights groups that he had been murdered.

 

[JTsyo]

I wish more criminals would do this...

 

[alzan]

I can only assume the story is not reported correctly and that he got his hands in front of him (not that hard to do while handcuffed). If his hands were indeed behind him, that is just impossible. Unless you're one of those people who trains to be super flexible.

Never having tried to get my hands in front of me, I couldn't say for sure; just thinking about it made it seem unlikely. Also like you said there may be some incorrect info or embellishment in the story.

It could be an old story like dank69 said.

 

[dank69]

I wish more criminals would do this...

Get shot by cops while handcuffed in the back of a squad car?

 

[Gooberlx2]

He's left handed.

FWIW, I'm left handed and shoot with my right (sometimes my left as well). I, and lots of other lefties, actually do a lot of things right-handed because it's how we were taught at a young age and/or that's how the available equipment was designed (golf, scissors, mouse). Eventually, you just sorta become ambidextrous to a certain extent and default to one hand or the other based on how it feels.

 

[dank69]

FWIW, I'm left handed and shoot with my right (sometimes my left as well). I, and lots of other lefties, actually do a lot of things right-handed because it's how we were taught at a young age and/or that's how the available equipment was designed (golf, scissors, mouse). Eventually, you just sorta become ambidextrous to a certain extent and default to one hand or the other based on how it feels.

While handcuffed with hands behind your back in the back of a squad car after being patted down twice?

 

[spacejamz]

Here is the thread about this from OT....

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2261481

 

[Gooberlx2]

While handcuffed with hands behind your back in the back of a squad car after being patted down twice?

Well, yeah, that's all weird. I was just commenting about the left-handedness. It's just one of those things I'll see in crime shows that makes me go "meh":

Detective, the shooter was clearly right-handed and our suspect is left-handed. Let him go.

 

[spacejamz]

Strange...this happened 2 weeks ago and Al or Jesse hasn't gotten involved yet...

 

[MomentsofSanity]

Might have to check ATOT if it's a repost, see if there was more details. Shooting happened end of July. Been trying to find some other outlets with more details but everything comes back as the same version of events.

 

[OutHouse]

I am having a hard time reconciling this one. This man is searched twice by police who found multiple drug related items on his person. He was then placed in the back of a police car, hands cuffed behind his back, and somehow managed to shoot himself in the right temple. He's left handed.

Could it happen? Sure it possibly could but as a former cop this just doesn't add up. Police state they have dash cam audio that supports their theory. Can't wait for that to come out as this is just strange.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/...-Head-And-Dies-In-Custody-In-Police-Squad-Car

so what are you saying? the cops executed him in the back of police car?

 

[MomentsofSanity]

so what are you saying? the cops executed him in the back of police car?

I'm saying there's something missing here but based on the official story I find it very difficult to believe the official events. Maybe they didn't search him as they claim. Maybe there was some other sort of procedural misconduct. I just don't see a man with his hands cuffed behind his back being able to shoot himself in the right temple with a .380 that was missed during searches that turned up a very small dime bag of weed and another containing white powder.

Throw your hands behind your back and try to figure out how it could happen.

 

[dank69]

so what are you saying? the cops executed him in the back of police car?

That or a Pulp Fiction moment makes more sense than what the cops claim. I'd go with the latter since cops dirty enough to execute someone would be smart enough to do it without getting caught resulting in this wildly improbable scenario they say happened.

 

[Siddhartha]

The cops shot him while he was handcuffed in completely in their control.

I know a guy who does not believe in due process. He thinks the cops should kill anyone they think are guilty. I have asked him "what if the cops are wrong and the person is innocent or what if the cops decide you are guilty and do not deserve a trial?".

 

[hal2kilo]

FWIW, I'm left handed and shoot with my right (sometimes my left as well). I, and lots of other lefties, actually do a lot of things right-handed because it's how we were taught at a young age and/or that's how the available equipment was designed (golf, scissors, mouse). Eventually, you just sorta become ambidextrous to a certain extent and default to one hand or the other based on how it feels.

This, fellow lefty (not talk'n politics either).

 

[bmadddd7]

HE must have been double jointed to get that off...