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William Gaatjes

William Gaatjes

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It was 2 against 1.

That guy in the yellow shirt was probably drunk, aggressive and not too smart either. But did not anybody notice that when the guy in the white shirt and the guy in the yellow shirt started brawling, that it was actually the guy in the red shirt that kicked the legs from underneath the yellow shirt guy ? That is why he fell down. Kind of lame to kick someone in the face when he is laying down afterwards while it was 2 against 1. He did deserved to get a punch but not like that.
 
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William Gaatjes said:
It was 2 against 1.

That guy in the yellow shirt was probably drunk, aggressive and not too smart either. But did not anybody notice that when the guy in the white shirt and the guy in the yellow shirt started brawling, that it was actually the guy in the red shirt that kicked the legs from underneath the yellow shirt guy ? That is why he fell down. Kind of lame to kick someone in the face when he is laying down afterwards while it was 2 against 1. He did deserved to get a punch but not like that.
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Huh, didn't notice that. Regardless, the first second of the video has the drunk assaulting both of them, so it's still fair game imo. Also, the matching red hat and shirt made me think he may have been an employee of some kind, and tripping an aggressive drunk is a pretty passive defensive move, all things considered. Meaning, it's still not really a 2-on-1 since he had backed off right after the guy fell. Of course, that makes the other guy look slightly worse for not having as much restraint, but still understandable.
 
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William Gaatjes

William Gaatjes

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HamburgerBoy said:
Huh, didn't notice that. Regardless, the first second of the video has the drunk assaulting both of them, so it's still fair game imo. Also, the matching red hat and shirt made me think he may have been an employee of some kind, and tripping an aggressive drunk is a pretty passive defensive move, all things considered. Meaning, it's still not really a 2-on-1 since he had backed off right after the guy fell. Of course, that makes the other guy look slightly worse for not having as much restraint, but still understandable.
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Yeah, i had that idea too that the red t shirt guy is an employee of some sort. But on the same time, i am in doubt if he really kicked him. It is hard to see.
When looking again, i probably would have done the same thing keeping an aggressive person down. But that kick to the head from the white t shirt guy was way too much. More often then we might think, people have died from a kick or punch to the temple. If he had kicked harder he would have been a murderer just because of such a stupid incident.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_(anatomy)
 
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William Gaatjes said:
It was 2 against 1.

That guy in the yellow shirt was probably drunk, aggressive and not too smart either. But did not anybody notice that when the guy in the white shirt and the guy in the yellow shirt started brawling, that it was actually the guy in the red shirt that kicked the legs from underneath the yellow shirt guy ? That is why he fell down. Kind of lame to kick someone in the face when he is laying down afterwards while it was 2 against 1. He did deserved to get a punch but not like that.
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I don't know about that. It looks like the when the white guy was pushed down his legs flew up and kicked whatever the guy in the red was holding, and he bent down to pick it up. I think the guy in red is actually security and his walkie was kicked out of his hand. You can see him in the beginning trying to stop the guy in the pink, and he talks on the walkie probably calling for backup. At the end he also kinda steps in again after the kick to the head.
 
William Gaatjes

William Gaatjes

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Childs said:
I don't know about that. It looks like the when the white guy was pushed down his legs flew up and kicked whatever the guy in the red was holding, and he bent down to pick it up. I think the guy in red is actually security and his walkie was kicked out of his hand. You can see him in the beginning trying to stop the guy in the pink, and he talks on the walkie probably calling for backup.
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Very possible you are right. It is hard to see.

But i just feel that people should be careful with kicks to the head or punches.
He (white t shirt guy) should have given him a bloody nose. That hurts enough. A kick to the side of the head can induce trauma that can start to be fatal a day later. The guy in the yellow shirt could have gone to sleep when he got home and maybe never woken up. Then we would have had not one but two futures lost. And that would have been especially bad for the guy in the white t shirt. Some drunk aggressive idiot attacks him. And the next day he is in jail for suspicion on murder. No more future. There is a fine line between defending yourself and using too much violence.
 
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William Gaatjes said:
...But i just feel that people should be careful with kicks to the head or punches.
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Nah, the world is too pussified. Don't take an aggressive posture unless you are prepared to back it up and possibly get knocked out. Now if the guy continued the attack after the guy was out, that's a different issue. The guy was perfectly within his rights (as far as I am concerned) to put the attacker in such a position (knocked the fuck out) that he was unable to continue his attack.
 
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oldsmoboat said:
Nah, the world is too pussified. Don't take an aggressive posture unless you are prepared to back it up and possibly get knocked out. Now if the guy continued the attack after the guy was out, that's a different issue. The guy was perfectly within his rights (as far as I am concerned) to put the attacker in such a position (knocked the fuck out) that he was unable to continue his attack.
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It has nothing to do with being pussified. The justice system allows for a person to defend oneself. But the justice system does not allow to use excessive violence. I assume that that principle to be the same in any country.

Besides, more then often people have died afterwards from acquired brain trauma. A reason why people who get knocked out after a kick or punch to the head or after a fall are taken to the hospital to be examined just to be sure. That cost a lot of money for the hospital and the insurance.

I can imagine if that yellow t shirt guy looked like a free fighter you want to do that. But look at the build and the arms of the guy in the yellow shirt. Those arms are like straws. Too much violence is not good. He already had him down and the guy was drunk. It was not a UFC guy high on coke and booze being aggressive.
 
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William Gaatjes said:
... But the justice system does not allow to use excessive violence. ....
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So, in your world, how should this have ended? What should the guy have done to stop the aggressor? Was the aggressor armed? Was the aggressor capable of escalating the violence?
 
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oldsmoboat said:
So, in your world, how should this have ended? What should the guy have done to stop the aggressor? Was the aggressor armed? Was the aggressor capable of escalating the violence?
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Officially, he should have hold him down until the police had arrived.
There are a lot of witnesses that saw who started and became hostile.

But as i wrote, punched him in the nose would have been enough. That guy fell easily and was under influence of something. He was not such a real threat to the guy in the white t shirt.
Look how he held him down, with one foot on the guys chest.
 
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And i do mean a fist punch in the nose, not an upwards punch with the inside (palm) of the hand to break the bones and drive the fragments up into his brain as you can see "trained assassins" do in the movies.
 
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I like how they showed the old guy just getting the f out of there and going down the escalator.
 
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Jadow said:
I like how they showed the old guy just getting the f out of there and going down the escalator.
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I noticed that. I am betting he's seen this behavior from this guy before.
I had a good friend that when he got a few drinks in him, became aggressive. Always got his butt kicked but it didn't stop him. We'd try to calm him down and finally resorted to walking away. That would stop him as he then knew no one had his back when he was being an ass.
 
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