Man decapitates passanger on Greyhound bus

[flamingelephant]

Crazy stuff...
Guy gets on bus, rides on it for an hour, then stabs another passenger in the neck 40 or so times, then decapitates him





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[sandorski]

Interview with a passenger

Crazy story. Not many details as to the Victim and Perpetrator yet.

 

[miketheidiot]

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[SlickSnake]

Since this was first posted in Off Topic I will digress to repost my response here, too.

This is what bugs me about this story. While the passengers were leaving the bus, the attacker just kept right on killing the victim, oblivious to the other passengers leaving the bus. This tells me it was not some random killing, and makes me wonder what the actual motivation was for it. Was this a stalking incident? Was he getting even for something this person did to him earlier, like a drug deal gone bad, stole from him, took his girlfriend? Or did he come on to the attacker or was the attacker coming on to him and was spurned? There has to be a reason he focused so much rage and attention on this one person.

If he also wanted to kill others on the bus, he could have stopped attacking the victim when they started fleeing and most likely killed a few others in the process, but that did not happen. He could have started out stabbing the victim a few times, then ran up the isle slashing everyone in his path before the bus even stopped, and the carnage would have been greater still, but that also did not happen.

That being the case, they should have tried to stop the attacker. And if I had sat on the row in front and saw this, I would have turned around, stood on the seat, and my foot would have immediately crushed the attackers face from over the seat rows, most likely saving the victims life and knocking the attacker down on the seat or the ground, and hopefully dislodging the knife from the assailant in the process.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Since this was first posted in Off Topic I will digress to repost my response here, too.

This is what bugs me about this story. While the passengers were leaving the bus, the attacker just kept right on killing the victim, oblivious to the other passengers leaving the bus. This tells me it was not some random killing, and makes me wonder what the actual motivation was for it. Was this a stalking incident? Was he getting even for something this person did to him earlier, like a drug deal gone bad, stole from him, took his girlfriend? Or did he come on to the attacker or was the attacker coming on to him and was spurned? There has to be a reason he focused so much rage and attention on this one person.

If he also wanted to kill others on the bus, he could have stopped attacking the victim when they started fleeing and most likely killed a few others in the process, but that did not happen. He could have started out stabbing the victim a few times, then ran up the isle slashing everyone in his path before the bus even stopped, and the carnage would have been greater still, but that also did not happen.

That being the case, they should have tried to stop the attacker. And if I had sat on the row in front and saw this, I would have turned around, stood on the seat, and my foot would have immediately crushed the attackers face from over the seat rows, most likely saving the victims life and knocking the attacker down on the seat or the ground, and hopefully dislodging the knife from the assailant in the process.

The guy was probably dead already. The guy who first figured out what was going on saw the Attacker repeatedly stabbing the victim in the Neck.

 

[SlickSnake]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Since this was first posted in Off Topic I will digress to repost my response here, too.

This is what bugs me about this story. While the passengers were leaving the bus, the attacker just kept right on killing the victim, oblivious to the other passengers leaving the bus. This tells me it was not some random killing, and makes me wonder what the actual motivation was for it. Was this a stalking incident? Was he getting even for something this person did to him earlier, like a drug deal gone bad, stole from him, took his girlfriend? Or did he come on to the attacker or was the attacker coming on to him and was spurned? There has to be a reason he focused so much rage and attention on this one person.

If he also wanted to kill others on the bus, he could have stopped attacking the victim when they started fleeing and most likely killed a few others in the process, but that did not happen. He could have started out stabbing the victim a few times, then ran up the isle slashing everyone in his path before the bus even stopped, and the carnage would have been greater still, but that also did not happen.

That being the case, they should have tried to stop the attacker. And if I had sat on the row in front and saw this, I would have turned around, stood on the seat, and my foot would have immediately crushed the attackers face from over the seat rows, most likely saving the victims life and knocking the attacker down on the seat or the ground, and hopefully dislodging the knife from the assailant in the process.

The guy was probably dead already. The guy who first figured out what was going on saw the Attacker repeatedly stabbing the victim in the Neck.

Hi again! As I said in the previous thread...he said the victim was yelling and making noises and fighting for his life when he discovered what was happening. He knew about it almost immediately, so this is wrong. He could have done something to stop it, and did not.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
Hi again! As I said in the previous thread...he said the victim was yelling and making noises and fighting for his life when he discovered what was happening. He knew about it almost immediately, so this is wrong. He could have done something to stop it, and did not.

And he was with a guy with a knife, and he had none. I don't blame him a bit for leaving, even if he had a knife, less than 50-50 odds are not good when you can get away.

I suspect the guy either was on drugs, maybe taken at the stop; or had problems. I suspect it was a random act, though there's always a small chance he was after that guy.

Good thing he didn't yell a Muslim phrase when he did it, or this'd be really big news.

 

[StageLeft]

This guy is pretty calm about describing it. Very calm in fact.

 

[dennilfloss]

Originally posted by: Craig234

Good thing he didn't yell a Muslim phrase when he did it, or this'd be really big news.

"All akboard!" ?

 

[beyoku]

Guy was pretty brave, i would have ran if he had a "rambo knife." - 6 feet 200 lbs. Ha, i am only 5 8, 130lbs. If it was just a fist fight i would have helped but rambo knife..........

 

[Nebor]

At least the crazy didn't have a gun and only one person was killed.

 

[Kuragami]

I have been thinking about this for a while and I see two possible things coming out of it.

#1 The government will do nothing.

#2 The government will pass legislation that will turn terminals into airport style checkpoints.

Considering that they already subtly hinted at doing #2 after this incident don't be shocked if in the coming weeks or months you will see this play out.

I take the train for my travels in Canada and already they have big posters on the walls of bus/train terminals stating outright that they can search your belongings at whim and if you disagree with the searches you have a right to leave the terminal.

As horrible as this event was I hope it doesn't get used as some sort of catalyst for making things worse for everyone else just to make people feel safe.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: Kuragami

As horrible as this event was I hope it doesn't get used as some sort of catalyst for making things worse for everyone else just to make people feel safe.

 

[OrByte]

how does a guy in the middle of a bus get stabbed repeatedly without others seeing the comotion?

it just doesnt make sense.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: OrByte
how does a guy in the middle of a bus get stabbed repeatedly without others seeing the comotion?

it just doesnt make sense.

He was at the back of the Bus, people were sleeping.

 

[soccerballtux]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: OrByte
how does a guy in the middle of a bus get stabbed repeatedly without others seeing the comotion?

it just doesnt make sense.

He was at the back of the Bus, people were sleeping.

Bloodcurtling scream...wakes people up?

I don't blame them though, not like I would have done anything to the guy, not without my own knife of sorts.

But you see, that's the thing, say I have a knife and I stab the guy, get him to stop murdering the guy.

Guess what happens then? Screw the fact that I just put my life in danger, they would get me for having a knife.

So, I will still bring a knife when I ride Greyhound, but I will not use it unless I myself am being attacked. Because it's just not worth it putting myself at risk, first my life, and later my future.

 

[SlickSnake]

If you are defending someones life, putting your future in danger should be the least of your worries. If I worried about that every time I made an EMS or a fire call, I would be a pretty poor firefighter. You can do plenty to stop a knife attack without using a knife. In that situation there were pillows, blankets and overhead luggage that could have been used to stop that attack. It was a pointless death and sad that the military guy sitting in front of the attack panicked and let it get to that point without trying to stop it. He will have to live with that decision the rest of his life.

 

[StormRider]

I've been thinking about this a lot too. I don't know what I would do in such a situation. I would hope that I would have tried to help but I doubt it because I think I would just be in shock. It would take someone truly brave to try and stop the attacker because of the enclosed space. There's no room to move around -- if a bunch of guys decided to stop him, you would basically have to form a line to get to him and the first guy in the line would probably get hurt really bad or killed. This situation would have required someone to take the first chance at stopping the guy and others might have followed to help. But again, that enclosed space aspect is a tough barrier to overcome. I think most people were just completely in shock by what happened.

 

[wwswimming]

that's a heck of a headline.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: OrByte
how does a guy in the middle of a bus get stabbed repeatedly without others seeing the comotion?

it just doesnt make sense.

He was at the back of the Bus, people were sleeping.

Bloodcurtling scream...wakes people up?

I don't blame them though, not like I would have done anything to the guy, not without my own knife of sorts.

But you see, that's the thing, say I have a knife and I stab the guy, get him to stop murdering the guy.

Guess what happens then? Screw the fact that I just put my life in danger, they would get me for having a knife.

So, I will still bring a knife when I ride Greyhound, but I will not use it unless I myself am being attacked. Because it's just not worth it putting myself at risk, first my life, and later my future.

By his description it must have been somewhat subdued. People at the fronnt of the Bus had absolutely no idea what was going on. Although I suppose they may have heard it as well.

 

[Shortass]

There can be only one.

But seriously, wow.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
If you are defending someones life, putting your future in danger should be the least of your worries. If I worried about that every time I made an EMS or a fire call, I would be a pretty poor firefighter. You can do plenty to stop a knife attack without using a knife. In that situation there were pillows, blankets and overhead luggage that could have been used to stop that attack. It was a pointless death and sad that the military guy sitting in front of the attack panicked and let it get to that point without trying to stop it. He will have to live with that decision the rest of his life.

I think you deserve a lot of credit for taking risks to help others. I don't think it's at all expected for people to put themselves in danger in this situation.

Pillows, blankets and luggage would likely have done nothing but cause the person to get killed by the guy with the knife, creating more casualties.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: SlickSnake
If you are defending someones life, putting your future in danger should be the least of your worries. If I worried about that every time I made an EMS or a fire call, I would be a pretty poor firefighter. You can do plenty to stop a knife attack without using a knife. In that situation there were pillows, blankets and overhead luggage that could have been used to stop that attack. It was a pointless death and sad that the military guy sitting in front of the attack panicked and let it get to that point without trying to stop it. He will have to live with that decision the rest of his life.

Well if there happened to be a martial arts master on the bus, then maybe you'd have a point...but "pillows, blankets and overhead luggage" in the hands of an average person are not adequate weapons against a large knife.

I've done a lot of martial arts training, including some unarmed defenses against knives and other weapons, and the thing they ALWAYS stress is that even if you are highly trained, chances are very good that you will be hurt. All our techniques focus on minimizing that injury and disarming someone without dying yourself, and even with several years of training I wouldn't feel super-confident going up against someone with a big knife if all I had was a pillow or blanket.

For someone who is untrained and/or surprised, I'd say the chances are very good that they would be seriously hurt, probably fatally. That doesn't mean they shouldn't do anything, but I think you're downplaying the risks a little much. You compare it to your experience making EMS or fire calls, but (I assume) you've had extensive training on how to handle that kind of situation. Going after someone who has a knife is not something I'd suggest the average person try unless they absolutely have to.

 

[DrPizza]

I don't care if you think you could have stopped the attacker. He got a free shot in at the neck with presumably a sharp knife. You're most likely not saving the victim - you're just endangering yourself.

 

[beyoku]

Plus it wasnt just any knife - It was a "Rambo Knife" and the dude was 6 feet 200 pounds.